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| Topic: What Happens When America's Airwaves Fill with Hate? | |
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Everybody has a right the their opinion, but there is a difference between stating an opinion and "hate speech". As example, the first speaker could have said that he believed that the conspiracy theorists were completely off base for thinking that our government would have involvement in the events of 911 and site valid reasons why. Rather, he was insulting and threatening to his fellow Americans who most likely believe it their civic duty to question. Basically, IMO, hate speech is the same as bullying.  The only reason anyone pays attention to this douche bag is because he sounds so radical. If he weren't spewing bs, no one would even remember him. The man who said it was the Conservative Republican son of the most beloved Conservative Republican President in history. He is not considered a "radical douche bag". He is a respected member of the Conservative Movement. Still think no ones going to remember him?  I know who he is. He may not be considered a radical douche bag, but in my opinion he is along with the ones who respect him. I understand what you mean, now.  And, my point is that there are people who listen and revere what he says.  |
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Edited by
Lindyy
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Sat 11/22/08 03:35 PM
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Interesting transcript from "Bill Moyers Journal" on right-wing hate radio. Here's a sample: Michael Reagan, son of the former president, suggested that people who claim that "nine-eleven was an inside job," a U.S. government conspiracy, deserve to die. MICHAEL REAGAN: "Take them out and shoot them. They are traitors to this country, and shoot them. But anybody who would do that doesn't deserve to live. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that's what they are, and you shoot them dead. I'll pay for the bullet." Neal Boortz went after victims of Hurricane Katrina. NEAL BOORTZ:"That wasn't the cries of the downtrodden. That's the cries of the useless, the worthless. New Orleans was a welfare city, a city of parasites, a city of people who could not, and had no desire to fend for themselves. You have a hurricane descending on them and they sit on their fat asses and wait for somebody else to come rescue them." http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09122008/watch.html  You want me to believe Bill Moyers?? AFTER all the hating & bashing these past 8 years of President Bush, Conservatives & Christians & Republicans....you post this trivial nonsense of Moyers? OH....please    Lindyy 
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Edited by
Lindyy
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Sat 11/22/08 03:34 PM
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this is why we need the Fairness Doctrine back. So the left has an equal chance to air their hate speech MSNBC...CNN...NBC..CBS..Moveon.org.....Huffington Post....Michael Moore...Streisand (STILL waiting for her to move out of the USA like she PROMISED!)Rosie O"Donnell..shall I continue????? Lindyy
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Yeah, it's junk! The guys who said those things should not feel good about it and those listening are not served well either. But the argument that it should be banned or in some way regulated is just as sad. The problem with this type of debate is that I could (and if asked to do so, will gladly do so) find many examples of the left calling people names and being mean--accusing people of being "Hitler" and of committing mass murder, blah, blah, ad infinitum.
BOTH sides do this and for people on the left to argue that this is exclusively a problem with those sitting on the right is in fact, intellectually dishonest. It works both ways. Both are wrong. But both are also protected speech. It would probably be a good idea for all of us to remember that freedom of speech is not just that speech that you agree with. -Drew |
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this is why we need the Fairness Doctrine back. So the left has an equal chance to air their hate speech MSNBC...CNN...NBC..CBS..Moveon.org.....Huffington Post....Michael Moore...Streisand (STILL waiting for her to move out of the USA like she PROMISED!)Rosie O"Donnell..shall I continue????? Nothing coming out of the sources you cite come close to what was spewed in the OP examples, and there are many more like them. Still, I think the "Fairness Doctrine" is nonsense. |
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this is why we need the Fairness Doctrine back. So the left has an equal chance to air their hate speech MSNBC...CNN...NBC..CBS..Moveon.org.....Huffington Post....Michael Moore...Streisand (STILL waiting for her to move out of the USA like she PROMISED!)Rosie O"Donnell..shall I continue????? Nothing coming out of the sources you cite come close to what was spewed in the OP examples, and there are many more like them. Still, I think the "Fairness Doctrine" is nonsense. I think it is too. I was only partially kidding I do hear it just as bad from both sides. it's all the same to me whether it's Rush Limbaugh or Michael Moore. |
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I think that both quotes show anger an hatred. Both quotes are lokking for a simple solution rather than dealing with the bigger complex issues of National Inteeligence foreign policy, and how prepared our government is to deal with disatters. These quotes create an atmoshphere of prejudice.
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Interesting transcript from "Bill Moyers Journal" on right-wing hate radio. Here's a sample: Michael Reagan, son of the former president, suggested that people who claim that "nine-eleven was an inside job," a U.S. government conspiracy, deserve to die. MICHAEL REAGAN: "Take them out and shoot them. They are traitors to this country, and shoot them. But anybody who would do that doesn't deserve to live. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that's what they are, and you shoot them dead. I'll pay for the bullet." Neal Boortz went after victims of Hurricane Katrina. NEAL BOORTZ:"That wasn't the cries of the downtrodden. That's the cries of the useless, the worthless. New Orleans was a welfare city, a city of parasites, a city of people who could not, and had no desire to fend for themselves. You have a hurricane descending on them and they sit on their fat asses and wait for somebody else to come rescue them." http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09122008/watch.html It is sickening that people even feel that way. Actually the individuals who say and act on those hateful thoughts are the problems in this country. |
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Interesting transcript from "Bill Moyers Journal" on right-wing hate radio. Here's a sample: Michael Reagan, son of the former president, suggested that people who claim that "nine-eleven was an inside job," a U.S. government conspiracy, deserve to die. MICHAEL REAGAN: "Take them out and shoot them. They are traitors to this country, and shoot them. But anybody who would do that doesn't deserve to live. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that's what they are, and you shoot them dead. I'll pay for the bullet." Neal Boortz went after victims of Hurricane Katrina. NEAL BOORTZ:"That wasn't the cries of the downtrodden. That's the cries of the useless, the worthless. New Orleans was a welfare city, a city of parasites, a city of people who could not, and had no desire to fend for themselves. You have a hurricane descending on them and they sit on their fat asses and wait for somebody else to come rescue them." http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09122008/watch.html I think in the first case...that's showing me...a degree of anger...not hate... In the second case...that's showing me a lesser degree of anger...with a touch of frustration...I read into his remarks this " these people were warned to get out of Dodge, but they chose to stay...they probably felt that it wouldn't be that bad, and their property would be spared "...little did anyone know that the levees would fail... Where were those poor folks going to go? It makes me mad every time this comes up. If you have no money no car nothing, how do you make a trip out of town? Just shows the amount of thought people put into other peoples lives which is none.
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this is why we need the Fairness Doctrine back. So the left has an equal chance to air their hate speech MSNBC...CNN...NBC..CBS..Moveon.org.....Huffington Post....Michael Moore...Streisand (STILL waiting for her to move out of the USA like she PROMISED!)Rosie O"Donnell..shall I continue????? Nothing coming out of the sources you cite come close to what was spewed in the OP examples, and there are many more like them. Still, I think the "Fairness Doctrine" is nonsense. Oh, please!!!!! The Fairness Doctrine is a disgusting attempt to diminish the First Amendment ..... Freedom of speech...EVERYBODY's FREEDOM of SPEECH...left, center, right...upside down, inside out.....  Lindyy
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If you want to see a really good video with facts and news coverage of events copy and paste this link..
It says it all http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=outfoxed&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=outfo# |
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Ohhhh, the outrage--the evil and conspiratorial right-wing hate mongers. Some are sickened, some are just mortified that such venom is even allowed to be heard.
But in all of twenty seconds on Google I found the following: "Julianne Malveaux, a radio host and USA Today columnist, caught no flak when she prayed aloud for the death of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. "I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease," she snarled on PBS." Ummm, yeah, how loving. There are soooo many of these--I picked only one. My point here is that both sides of this could fire up hundreds of hateful comments made by prominent people to the masses. So, why don't we all agree that BOTH sides need to grow up and knock it the hell off? -Drew |
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Ohhhh, the outrage--the evil and conspiratorial right-wing hate mongers. Some are sickened, some are just mortified that such venom is even allowed to be heard. But in all of twenty seconds on Google I found the following: "Julianne Malveaux, a radio host and USA Today columnist, caught no flak when she prayed aloud for the death of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. "I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease," she snarled on PBS." Ummm, yeah, how loving. There are soooo many of these--I picked only one. My point here is that both sides of this could fire up hundreds of hateful comments made by prominent people to the masses. So, why don't we all agree that BOTH sides need to grow up and knock it the hell off? -Drew Oohhh, Drew, somebody said that about Clarence Thomas and black men?!   Drew, in all honesty, I've never heard somebody that wasn't right-wing talk like that. |
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In this regard, justice and history itself demand that I mention Newt Gingrich, who unfailingly denounced the President for moral and legal transgressions while carrying on his own extramarital affair. For hypocrisy, for sheer gall, Gingrich should be hanged." -Richard Cohen, Washington Post There are white niggers. I’ve seen a lot of white niggers in my time. I’m going to use that word. -Senator Robert Byrd (D) I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for -Howard Dean |
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Ohhhh, the outrage--the evil and conspiratorial right-wing hate mongers. Some are sickened, some are just mortified that such venom is even allowed to be heard. But in all of twenty seconds on Google I found the following: "Julianne Malveaux, a radio host and USA Today columnist, caught no flak when she prayed aloud for the death of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. "I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease," she snarled on PBS." Ummm, yeah, how loving. There are soooo many of these--I picked only one. My point here is that both sides of this could fire up hundreds of hateful comments made by prominent people to the masses. So, why don't we all agree that BOTH sides need to grow up and knock it the hell off? -Drew Oohhh, Drew, somebody said that about Clarence Thomas and black men?! Drew, in all honesty, I've never heard somebody that wasn't right-wing talk like that. She said it! And she she's a radio host as well. My point here is that this thread could go on for days as people pick out stupid and hateful comments by both sides. We do that and wonder why things don't work, why we are in trouble. I can't help but think that there is an element of "I'll say something outrageous so that it improves my ratings" going on but it does not really matter. Some people (again, on both sides) are going to spew this garbage and it is incumbent upon all of us (that so desire) to tell both sides: Enough. I don't agree with conservatives when they open their mouths and say stupid and hateful crap. And I don't agree with liberals when they do, but that does not mean that people cannot disagree. I wrote a post a while back wherein I argued that people should be called by their proper names. I get sick of people calling former President Clinton--Billary, Slick Willy or any of that. Through the election cycle I called President-elect Obama by his name--even though there was no way I was going to vote for him. Now, I'm far from perfect on this and in the past I know I've said some hateful things--so I'm pointing a finger at myself before anyone else. It just has to change. It is up to us to raise the bar--those who profit from this garbage won't do it for us--ever. -Drew |
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if you want to see pure propaganda just watch Fox news.
Bill is my favorite. disagree and you are un american, talks over a guest if they do not agree and then cuts them off if that does not deter them to say what he wants. then he tells the audience what a nut job they are. pure news. The others on fox are close but Bill should be cleaning latrines 
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Sometimes I wonder if it isn't more about getting ratings than anything else.
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Sometimes I wonder if it isn't more about getting ratings than anything else. The troubling part of it all to me, Ruth, is that there are people that believe them and then talk like them. |
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Sometimes I wonder if it isn't more about getting ratings than anything else. The troubling part of it all to me, Ruth, is that there are people that believe them and then talk like them. You are absolutely right and when they talk like that they feed these people's hatred. It can get very scary on both sides. |
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