Topic: The "Church" and Abortion!!!!!!!!
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Wed 11/19/08 04:46 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Wed 11/19/08 04:47 PM




I see it like this.

either a fetus is a human or it is not.

The big problem I have is the law has 2 totally different opinions on the matter.

A mother has the right to abort a fetus.

Yet if someone causes her to abort the fetus then it is manslaughter or 2nd degree murder.

ie.. a drunk hits a car and the woman miscarraiges.

The driver can be guilty of a crime as above.

But if at the same time she was going to get an abortion.

Same result. It is her right.

Can someone explain to me how this is equality in the law. everyone treated the same.
Please stay on topic.



Can you please explain to me how this is not on topic. what is it you want
Well abortion is another issue. I will gladly debate it if you want to start a thread. Promice to leave your religon out of it.?




My religion says the law is equal to all people. No discrimination at all.

That is a religious belief. It is also what our laws claims to be.

You seem to want your cake and eat it 2.

make some sence

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Wed 11/19/08 04:48 PM





I see it like this.

either a fetus is a human or it is not.

The big problem I have is the law has 2 totally different opinions on the matter.

A mother has the right to abort a fetus.

Yet if someone causes her to abort the fetus then it is manslaughter or 2nd degree murder.

ie.. a drunk hits a car and the woman miscarraiges.

The driver can be guilty of a crime as above.

But if at the same time she was going to get an abortion.

Same result. It is her right.

Can someone explain to me how this is equality in the law. everyone treated the same.
Please stay on topic.



Can you please explain to me how this is not on topic. what is it you want
Well abortion is another issue. I will gladly debate it if you want to start a thread. Promice to leave your religon out of it.?




My religion says the law is equal to all people. No discrimination at all.

That is a religious belief. It is also what our laws claims to be.

You seem to want your cake and eat it 2.

make some sence
Thank you for sharing your beleifs. I didnt have to ask:smile:

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Wed 11/19/08 04:51 PM

Why does everyone's feeling on abortion have to be based on their religion?
RIGHT Thats why I want to fully understand their religonflowerforyou

Jill298's photo
Wed 11/19/08 04:51 PM


Im not certain as to what kind of point your getting at, but you used religion, debate and sexuality alot in your paragraph. Sum it up a tad, Not soo many words and perhapse make it a bit more simple.
Im want to understand you Religion and Religious beliefs so I can understand why you feel the way you do about abortion. Again this a public discussion and has nothing to do with this sites policy. Please everyone abide by the sites rules.:smile: flowerforyou
But this is what you said. "I want to understand your religion beliefs so I can understand why you feel the way you do about abortion. But apparently NOW this topic is NOT about abortion or religion?????

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Wed 11/19/08 04:52 PM



Im not certain as to what kind of point your getting at, but you used religion, debate and sexuality alot in your paragraph. Sum it up a tad, Not soo many words and perhapse make it a bit more simple.
Im want to understand you Religion and Religious beliefs so I can understand why you feel the way you do about abortion. Again this a public discussion and has nothing to do with this sites policy. Please everyone abide by the sites rules.:smile: flowerforyou
But this is what you said. "I want to understand your religion beliefs so I can understand why you feel the way you do about abortion. But apparently NOW this topic is NOT about abortion or religion?????
It is not!flowerforyou :smile:

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Wed 11/19/08 04:52 PM
isnt it you that typed,,,"Im want to understand you Religion and Religious beliefs so I can understand why you feel the way you do about abortion. Again this a public discussion and has nothing to do with this sites policy. Please everyone abide by the sites rules." Hows that not asking?? Im confused

Jill298's photo
Wed 11/19/08 04:54 PM

isnt it you that typed,,,"Im want to understand you Religion and Religious beliefs so I can understand why you feel the way you do about abortion. Again this a public discussion and has nothing to do with this sites policy. Please everyone abide by the sites rules." Hows that not asking?? Im confused
You're not alone. I'm awfully confused and tired of the changing theme here.

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Wed 11/19/08 04:55 PM
The title is "CHURCH AND ABORTION" but apparently... it's not about eitherhuh huh grumble grumble and no matter what anyone says... it's off topic. Probably because we have no idea now what is being asked...

Junkmanjim10's photo
Wed 11/19/08 04:57 PM
hey, dont feel bad, i havent understood a word this guy's said scince that long confusing paragraph of jibberish he typed. Ive attempted to make sense of it, but my attempt has failed. Sense not made!

Jill298's photo
Wed 11/19/08 04:58 PM
Edited by Jill298 on Wed 11/19/08 04:58 PM

hey, dont feel bad, i havent understood a word this guy's said scince that long confusing paragraph of jibberish he typed. Ive attempted to make sense of it, but my attempt has failed. Sense not made!
me too. I would answer if I knew what was being asked ohwell

Junkmanjim10's photo
Wed 11/19/08 05:04 PM
i dont beleve the man is dealing with a full deck of cards so to speak. Maybe mix matched cards.

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Wed 11/19/08 05:34 PM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/19/08 05:34 PM

isnt it you that typed,,,"Im want to understand you Religion and Religious beliefs so I can understand why you feel the way you do about abortion. Again this a public discussion and has nothing to do with this sites policy. Please everyone abide by the sites rules." Hows that not asking?? Im confused
The topic is about doing just that. Where do we as a public venue draw the lines on the understanding of someone else's religion, whether that be Islam or Catholic or any Region, brought into a topic on abortion. The spelling is right at lease :smile:

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Wed 11/19/08 05:46 PM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/19/08 06:08 PM
Im try not to confuse myself. :smile: If we are talking about abortion on a public forum and YOU bring your religon into it. How far am I allowed to go to get my "understanding" of your religon. MY religon is posted other on this site. But I will share them with if you ask.

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Wed 11/19/08 05:54 PM

Im try not to confuse myself. :smile: If we are talking about abortion on a public forum and some brings religon into it. How far am I allowed to go get my "understanding" of your religon. MY religon is posted other on this site. But I will share them with if you ask.

We can switch the topic to abortion if you want. I dont know this sites rules on that?

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Wed 11/19/08 06:07 PM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/19/08 07:01 PM
opps

Giocamo's photo
Wed 11/19/08 07:06 PM
not to get long winded or anything...but...here's a little something I posted the other day...it didn't garner many responses...but...it's quite profound...it's makes so much sense, and shows you why governemnt caused the great divide i this country...abortion being at the top of the list...

Different Americans have different and intensive preferences for cars, food, clothing and entertainment. For example, some Americans love opera and hate rock and roll. Others have opposite preferences, loving rock and roll and hating opera. When's the last time you heard of rock and roll lovers in conflict with opera lovers? It seldom if ever happens. Why? Those who love operas get what they want and those who love rock and roll get what they want and both can live in peace with one another.

Suppose that instead of freedom in the music market, decisions on what kind of music people could listen to were made in the political arena. It would be either opera or rock and roll. Rock and rollers would be lined up against opera lovers. Why? It's simple. If the opera lovers win, rock and rollers would lose and the reverse if rock and rollers won. Conflict would emerge solely because the decision was made in the political arena.

The prime feature of political decision-making is that it's a zero-sum game. One person or group's gain is of necessity another person or group's loss. As such political allocation of resources is conflict enhancing while market allocation is conflict reducing. The greater the number of decisions made in the political arena the greater is the potential for conflict.


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Wed 11/19/08 07:15 PM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/19/08 07:17 PM

not to get long winded or anything...but...here's a little something I posted the other day...it didn't garner many responses...but...it's quite profound...it's makes so much sense, and shows you why governemnt caused the great divide i this country...abortion being at the top of the list...

Different Americans have different and intensive preferences for cars, food, clothing and entertainment. For example, some Americans love opera and hate rock and roll. Others have opposite preferences, loving rock and roll and hating opera. When's the last time you heard of rock and roll lovers in conflict with opera lovers? It seldom if ever happens. Why? Those who love operas get what they want and those who love rock and roll get what they want and both can live in peace with one another.

Suppose that instead of freedom in the music market, decisions on what kind of music people could listen to were made in the political arena. It would be either opera or rock and roll. Rock and rollers would be lined up against opera lovers. Why? It's simple. If the opera lovers win, rock and rollers would lose and the reverse if rock and rollers won. Conflict would emerge solely because the decision was made in the political arena.

The prime feature of political decision-making is that it's a zero-sum game. One person or group's gain is of necessity another person or group's loss. As such political allocation of resources is conflict enhancing while market allocation is conflict reducing. The greater the number of decisions made in the political arena the greater is the potential for conflict.


Gio Im glad you didnt make your answer confusinglaugh Im even more confused.

Giocamo's photo
Wed 11/19/08 07:21 PM


not to get long winded or anything...but...here's a little something I posted the other day...it didn't garner many responses...but...it's quite profound...it's makes so much sense, and shows you why governemnt caused the great divide i this country...abortion being at the top of the list...

Different Americans have different and intensive preferences for cars, food, clothing and entertainment. For example, some Americans love opera and hate rock and roll. Others have opposite preferences, loving rock and roll and hating opera. When's the last time you heard of rock and roll lovers in conflict with opera lovers? It seldom if ever happens. Why? Those who love operas get what they want and those who love rock and roll get what they want and both can live in peace with one another.

Suppose that instead of freedom in the music market, decisions on what kind of music people could listen to were made in the political arena. It would be either opera or rock and roll. Rock and rollers would be lined up against opera lovers. Why? It's simple. If the opera lovers win, rock and rollers would lose and the reverse if rock and rollers won. Conflict would emerge solely because the decision was made in the political arena.

The prime feature of political decision-making is that it's a zero-sum game. One person or group's gain is of necessity another person or group's loss. As such political allocation of resources is conflict enhancing while market allocation is conflict reducing. The greater the number of decisions made in the political arena the greater is the potential for conflict.


Gio Im glad you didnt make your answer confusinglaugh Im even more confused.


well I guess...I was just trying to show how government intervention has actually created this great divide...now...speaking of confusing...just what is your question ...let's you and I save the world...lol

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Wed 11/19/08 07:24 PM
rofl

Giocamo's photo
Wed 11/19/08 07:33 PM

rofl


the abortion conflict will always be about...legal vs illegal...right vs wrong...there's the camp that says..." I think abortion is wrong , but should be legal "...then there's the camp that says " I think abortion is wrong, and it should be illegal "...I agree with the second camp...but...at the same time...my main objective when my feet hit the floor everyday...is NOT to fight the fight and make abortion illegal...I just kind of wonder why something that we know is wrong should be legal...now...if I wanted to drag religion into this...then I would simply ask..." do you think God thinks abortion is right ? "...this is when the screaming starts...so I try to avoid asking that question...lol