I do not believe all of it.. I believe you have it backwards.

I believe every bit of it. I keep the law you say is done away.

Now I showed you reference to what Hovah in Hebrew means from probally what I would hope at least your minister uses for study.

I am not the one shoving stuff that can not be backed up.

I use the same references your theologians use your scholars.

yet you say i am mixed up.

I tell people to print out what i say and take it to anyone and have them prove that i am a liar and what i am presenting is false.

No one has ever taken me up.

Why?

Here is who you call the father the part of the name that can be found what it means because no one knows where the Je in either name came from.. It just poped up.

hovah

OT:1943 hovah —

ruin, disaster
(from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright © 1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.)

Ruin disaster who does that describe. Shalom...Miles

it's the government that dictates what is a true religion or a pagan holiday ..not the believers

if the Gods of any religion have set forth laws that call for the murdering and torturing of people as Yahweh clearly have then the Old Testament could be regarded as some type of crazy pagan religion..

if a pagan religion/cult is being destructive to the society then it's up to the people or the government to step in and control such practices so that the believers of that religion can live in supposed harmony with the rest within that society ...

if the governement deem that Christmas is an official holiday to celebrate christianity then look at it like a day of rest ..but to use the word blasphemy is to once again resort to pagan mentality

Thank you! Sooo completley agreed!

Stop this eletist crap. Jesus was as far from an eletist. In fact, He called eletists hypocrates, liars, idolators, and all sorts of other not so nice things. Did He say "love other Christians as yourself"? No. He said "Love your NEIGHBOR as yourself." No margin note. No small writing. No writing between the lines. Just... love everyone.

Why. Is. That. So. HARD?

ETA:

Wait... Jesus... is... Satan? Because some monk invented a J after Jesus was risen? Honestly, honestly... the religion forum is so much fun. Watching crazy people try to talk and walk at the same time is so entertaining!

Amen and pass the rum spiked egg nog!

Yahshua was Crazy. He said you will be hated as I am. Do not find this odd. For the people have always hated me. They honor me with thier lips but thier Heart is far from me. I tell them the truth and they come after me. They are children of thier father. They niether are embarrassed in thier doings. No they are proud of what they do. Learn my people that you are in good company when they revile you and accuse for speaking Yahweh's words.

For they are of this world and this world fights for them. We are not from this world so why should we expect this world to hear us.

David committed multiple sins even murdering to cover up his adulterous affair. He paid dearly when he lost his son.

David though knew he was wrong and although he was a rich man repented of his sins and turned away from Evil. He will sit by he Father ruling in the kingdom.

Turning from your ways. The hardest thing a person can do. Fighting and fighting claiming even that the Traditions of man Yahweh must love. He has to. It does not make since Yahweh would say we are continuing in our sins knowingly. Which remains a sin forever unto you until you repent and admit your sins and do as the Disciples and Apostles did on the day of Pentecost. Speaking the wonderful words of Yahweh.


I know you like short answers/warnings. Because I do not judge you. Thier is one who will.

Shalom..Miles

I'm not entirely sure what your point is here. I am, however, going to call you out on one point: " I know you like short answers/warnings."... Huh? That judgment (and it is a judgment), is based on... what? I'm an English teacher, a novelist, and graduated valedictorian from my college. I think I can handle a few long answers.

Don't make judgments on others based on assumptions. That's another thing I'm sure Jesus would agree with.

Oh and one more thing -- I'm a Christian. Jesus know this. God knows this. I really don't need anyone else's validation. But thanks anyway for that other assumption.

ETA: And from what I read, you didn't answer my question: why is loving everyone so hard?

ETA 2: Ohhh... you used the story of Bathsheba. My very favorite hypocrate chauvenest story in the Bible! Yay!



And what, exactly, did Bathsheba do to deserve losing HER baby? And before you say she was a whore, be ready to give chapter and verse where it says that in the Bible.

WOW......again. No wonder religion is the cause of so many wars and problems in the world.

"Lay up in your ears these words,
But they did not understand this saying,and it was veiled from them so that they did not perceive it."

"Truly, Truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master,nor is an emissary greater than he who sent him."

" If you know these teachings, blessed are you if you do them."

"I do not speak concerning all of you . I know who I have chosen."

"Truly, Truly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send, receives Me. And he who receives Me, receives Him who sent Me."

Luke9:45 John 13:16-18,20



"If you Love Me, keep My Commandments" John 14:15



.........Be Blessed! ....Yamin

True,

Don't know where the OP is coming from really,

I celebrate Christmas as a time of peace and joy because it is the time our Christ began to dwell on earth with man.

I believe you are confusing that with that pagan god as well as Ishtar with the spring and easter celebrations and not Christmas. There isn't anything wrong with observing Christmas as a time that Christ began to dwell on earth with man. We can worship God anytime.

No one by law or command is supposed to celebrate >>ANYONE S'<< birthday. If you do so it is out of your own desires not some gods.

whats up tribo?

oh, an yeh, what he said

religious, political, financial or educational, hmm, four beasts

crowned by people

in the world of confusion

Consider these quotes from the Catholic Encyclopedia 1911 edition, under "christmas".

Christmas was not among the early festivals of the church...the first eveidence is from Egypt". Further, "Pagan customs centering around the January calends gravitated to christmas under "Natal Day," Origen, an early catholic writer admitted,"..In the Scriptures no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday." It is only sinners like (Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world.

Yahshua said " But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.(Mathew 15:9) CHRIST-MAS IS NOT A COMMANDMENT OF GOD - IT IS A TRADITION OF MEN.
Yahshua continued "Full well you reject the Commandment of God that you keep your own traditon.(Mark 7:9) Every year throughout the world on DECEMBER 25, hundreds of millions disobedient folks do just that.

YHWH plainly commends,"Follow not the way of the Heathen," But most people do not fear GOD and He allows them to make their choice.

WOE TO THOSE WHO IGNORE THE PLAIN WORD OF ALMIGHTY GOD!

December 25, was not selected because it was the Birth of Yahshua, or because His birth was near this date but only because it coincided with the idolatrous pagan mid winter festival-Saturnalia, which should be carefully examined. In any event we do not know the exact date of our Messiah's birthday, while YHWH could have certainly made it known ,He chose to hide it from the world's eyes.

Be Blessed! ....Yamin
..Blessings....Yamin

But we can worship God, anytime, anyplace, anywhere, even in silence. It is our heart and minds that beside us, GOD truly knows.

To tell a child if you run into the street you may get hit by a car.

Judgement or Warning?

Love or Hatred.

Child says I will do as I want you are mean.

Obedient loving child or rellious child?

For all your schooling I would think you could understand what Love is.

Is love telling someone you are treading on thin ice you better get off of thier?

or say oh well he will learn if he lives?


What was your major?

See Yahweh uses the weak to show his Power that it is not of the persons intellect that shows whats right or what is wrong.

Knowledge is key but rightful knowledge.



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Oh and one more thing -- I'm a Christian. Jesus know this. God knows this. I really don't need anyone else's validation. But thanks anyway for that other assumption.

ETA: And from what I read, you didn't answer my question: why is loving everyone so hard?

ETA 2: Ohhh... you used the story of Bathsheba. My very favorite hypocrate chauvenest story in the Bible! Yay!

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Pamphlet 1189
What time of year was Jesus really born in the flesh?


Conception of John the Baptist
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
This verse holds the major key to determining the birth date of Jesus Christ.
Do you know what it is?
May I pose the question,
"If you don't understand the Old Testament, how are you to understand the New Testament?"
Well, there is something of great importance in this verse
and that is that Zacharias was a priest, a Levitical Priest,
and he was performing the priestly duties assigned to the "Course of Abia".
It is this course of Abia that will give us the key
to the date of the conception and hence the birth of Jesus.
Again, there is a reason we are given this information,
and I want to add that it HAS BEEN HERE ALL ALONG,
every Christmas season, year after year, right here in Luke 1:5.
And who has questioned it and learned what it is?
(Having said that, we are going to hold off studying about the significance of the "course of Abia" until we get to the 23rd verse.)
Luke 1:8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,
The order of his course is Abia (I Chron. 24:10), and here is what his duties were:
[9] According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.
So Zacharias is faithfully executing the priest's duties of the course of Abia.
This is important to show the accuracy of the events that occur.
[10] And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.
[11] And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
[12] And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
It can be an awesome experience for a flesh man (or woman) to encounter a supernatural, spirit being.
[13] But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luke 1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
Now, this is extremely important.
When were the days of Zacharias' ministration accomplished, i.e. over with?
This is referring to that "course of Abia" in verse 5.
You will find listed in I Chron. 24 that there were 24 priestly courses of ministration
of which the course of Abia is the 8th.
(8 in Biblical numerics means "new beginnings".)
These courses were changed every week,
beginning each with a Sabbath,
and performed twice each year and all together at the three great feasts.
They commenced on the 22nd day of Tisri (our September).
Note: All of these dates are documented for you in appendix 179 of the Companion Bible.
So the dates for the two yearly ministrations of Abijah would be:
1st ministration: From 12-18 Chisleu which is our December 6-12.
2nd ministration: From 12-18 Sivan which is our June 13-19.
Now, we just read in verse 23 that Zacharias departed for home
after his ministration had been accomplished, i.e. completed.
His course of Abijah would have ended at sunset on Friday (they all ended on a Friday) June 19th.
However, it was now a Sabbath day (Sivan 19)
and so he would not have been able to travel,
so he couldn't leave Jerusalem until Sunday, the 20th.
So Zacharias, the aged man,
left for his home which was in "the hill country" (see verse 39).
It would have taken him a few days to get home, as the next verse shows.
[24] And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
"After those days", which would have been on June 23-24,
Elizabeth conceived, and went into seclusion for 5 months.
[25] Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.
It was a reproach not to be able to bear a child. (Gen. 30:23)

Conception of Jesus
Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
It is now December 24th - 25th, sixth months after the conception of John the Baptist.
It is now the 1st of Tebeth, our 25th of December,
and the angel Gabriel is dutifully,
and I'm sure very delightedly,
carrying out his directive from the Father to bring the good news to the Virgin Mary,
who was chosen before the foundation of this earth age,
that she would be the vessel, the mother,
who would be blessed among women to bring forth the Perfect Child, the Son of God.
Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Just in case we miss the "fact" that this is six months from the conception of John the Baptist,
which we documented was June 23-24,
Gabriel will declare it AGAIN in verse 36.
Sometimes we have to be told more than once before we "pick up" on that which we are supposed to know,
and besides, repeating a fact gives emphasis to its importance.
Also, remember that although today our calendar date changes at 12:00 midnight,
back then the days were reckoned from sunset to sunset,
so that when you see June 23-24 it is the same day from June 23rd sunset to June 24th sunset.
The same applies to Dec. 24-25.
[27] To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Sometimes people are confused as to whether the Bible says Mary and Joseph
were "married" or "engaged" at this point.
There is never a need to be confused, only a need to do our homework.
The Greek word for "espoused" is mnesteuo and means "betroth".
Look it up for yourself. The Strong's number is Greek 3423.
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Mary indeed was blessed, not only among women, but among all of mankind.
Imagine the honor of being the one chosen to bring forth the Son of God.
Of course, "wise men" know that her honor doesn't make her a goddess to be worshipped,
which is why the "wise men" kneeled down and worshipped only the Christ Child.
And when this Child is fully grown,
He will instruct us all to pray only to the Father, "which art in heaven".
And the great thing about the gift of freewill that our Father gave to each of us,
is we can chose to follow what Christ says or follow what some church or religion says.
[29] And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
Mary wasn't displaying any doubt or disbelief here at the presence of Gabriel.
She was just trying to figure out in her mind what was going on, i.e. what this all meant.
[30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
[31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Gabriel is still speaking to the Virgin Mary about the Son she shall bring forth.
[32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And He will sit on that throne of David when He returns at the 7th Trump
and reign for ever and ever.
Do you know who sits on that throne right now?
God told Jeremiah there would always be a man (no gender implied)
upon it [the throne of Israel] until He whose rightfully it is comes!
Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
Queen Elizabeth, a direct descendant of King David, now resides upon the throne.
Her family tree is a matter of public record, so check out her genealogy.
(If you would like more information on this, write to us and request the booklet,
"The Abrahamic Covenant", by E. Raymond Capt.)
Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
WAIT a minute! Hold everything right there!
Mary has a question for Gabriel, and it is a really good one, not a "dumb" question at all.
(Zacharias asked a truely "dumb" question, one which defines what a "dumb" question really is.
It is not one you ask "because" you are dumb, it is one you ask that "causes" you to become "dumb".)
Here's the question:
[34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Mary was no fool.
She knew how Adam "knew" his wife and how babies are conceived
(even without attending sex education classes in school).
Gabriel responds with the most incredible answer anyone could ever imagine.
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
"And don't think this is an impossibility,
Mary, because guess what?
Your old cousin Elizabeth who is past her child bearing years
is pregnant because of divine intervention also.
In fact, she's now entering her third trimester."
[36] And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
[37] For with God nothing shall be impossible.
So you see, Mary (and everyone else in the whole world who reads this),
nothing is impossible for Him.
Amazing, isn't it?
Here we have two seemingly impossible conceptions,
one by a woman too old to bear children,
and one by a woman perhaps too young,
but nevertheless a virgin, one without a man.
And so it would come to pass that John, who would be called "the Baptist",
would be born in the spring and Yashua,
the Savior of the World, Emmanuel,
the Messiah, the Anointed One,
would be born that fall, six months later,
on the 1st Day of the Feast of Tabernacles, the 29th of September.
He would be hers and His firstborn
and He would be wrapped in swaddling clothes and laid in a manger,
and all the angels of heaven would worship Him (Heb 1:6).
And that is how and when the Miracle of the Begettal and the Birth of our Lord,
the beginning of God Tabernacling with men, happened.
Yes, "it happened on this wise".
What then? Should we as Christians celebrate Christmas?
If you do some research into the early apostolic church era,
you will find this celebration was what September the 29th was all about.
BUT the "mystery of iniquity" which was "already working"
even at the time of the apostle Paul (2 Thes. 2:7) quickly obscured
and enshrouded this day and also the great day of the Lord's begetting on 1st Tebeth, December 25th.
There are a lot of people who know that there are valid arguments
and reasons why Christ could not have been born in late December.
We're not going to go into detail concerning them,
but they are numerous and include the fact that the shepherds
would not have been "abiding" in the open fields in late December,
not just because of the weather,
but because there wouldn't have been any pasturage for the sheep anyway.
And then there's the Roman authorities who wouldn't, and didn't,
impose census taking and taxation at the most inclement and inconvenient season of the year, etc.
You can also discover beyond doubt that December the 25th
was a pagan festival long before the time of the our Lord.
It is often said, however, that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing",
and it certainly can be.
Many sincere, albeit ill-informed Christians have allowed this discovery
to rob them and their children of some of our rich Christian heritage.
Don't let it happen to you!

Let's recap the dates we have learned.
The conception of John................... 23rd Sivan = June 23-24
The birth of John................................ 7th Nisan = March 28-29
The Miraculous Begetting of Jesus.... 1st Tebeth = December 25th
The Nativity..................................... 15th Tisri = September 29th



And so it would come to pass that John, who would be called "the Baptist",
would be born in the spring and Yashua,
the Savior of the World, Emmanuel, the Messiah, the Anointed One,
would be born that fall, six months later,
on the 1st Day of the Feast of Tabernacles, the 29th of September.
He would be hers and His firstborn and He would be wrapped in swaddling clothes
and laid in a manger, and all the angels of heaven would worship Him (Heb 1:6).
And that is how and when the Miracle of the Begettal and the Birth of our Lord,
the beginning of God Tabernacling with men, happened.
Yes, "it happened on this wise".

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Born or concieved, it is still the time our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ began to be with man on earth and there is nothing wrong with recognizing that on Christmas day. It is what is in our heart, not what some pagans used to do, or buying and getting presents as the marketing and business community love so much, It is knowing and honoring Christ.

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Satan can quote scripture .For all I know you speak for him.