the reality of the issue is

it really is not relevant

what is real is real

whether you know it or not

and what you do not know can hurt/help you

yes there were micro organisms b4 man knew about them

and yes they hurt/helped man just the same

the reality is the perception of your environment

and your environment is what it is no matter how you perceive it

the problem is man perceives man to be the most intelligent being on the planet

but just because man's reality is as such does not make it so

what other being on the planet is destroying the very environment that all beings on the planet live

yes man has vast thought process but the "reality" is man uses these processes to supposedly live a better life

but the real is man is killing earth with these thought processes (yes medical advances are helping you live longer) but what good is the process going to be hen you have no where to survive

the "reality" is man is about to go into another (for lack of a better wording) dark ages

earth will protect earth and when man gets to the point that man thinks man controls mans destiny earth does set man straight

it has happened before and is about to happen again

man and his wisdom is creating world wide trade and world wide enrichment per say

but with this comes world wide plaque possibilities as one example what is at point a now is transported to all other points on earth (the bird flu was a near world wide plaque)

and now man in his wisdom is seeking out expanding to other astrological domains (yet man can not live in this one without destroying it)

when will something from one of these other space areas become released upon the earth an unknown something after all microorganisms existed b4 man knew about them what else does man not know about

and where will this leave man when it happens

after all is man the most intelligent being after all

as they titled the movie ANALYZE THAT

after all it is only a perception of a possible reality

or is it real and in the process and man does not know it yet

Nice thread, I hope our scientists can save us.

I will certainly try to help.

Reality is truth. Not your version of it, but what actually is. Our inability to see it does not alter it.

Then whose version is true?

oh no, please don't open that can of worms, or since everybody thinks their right this thread will go down in flames....

not necessarily so

real is what is

reality is what you perceive

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Noun 1. realityreality - all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you; "his world was shattered"; "we live in different worlds"; "for them demons were as much a part of reality as trees were"

from free dictionary Thesaurus area

are the demons real because they are his reality

or are the tree false because the demons were as real as the trees

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just a thought

but hey what do i know

Reality, in everyday usage, means "the state of things as they actually exist". [1] The term reality, in its widest sense, includes everything that is, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible

2 people may have different observations, but that does not change what is.

And, that's my point exactly. To a certain extent everyone is right. And, everyone is wrong. So, there's no point in discussing "who is right".

There is, however, much value in learning as much as possible about other people's realities. I think the more you learn the more it will expand your own reality.

And "what is" is determined to be real based on the fact that the largest number of people agree to its reality.

the demons are real then

as real as the trees even

By using the word "your" I was refering to anyone sepcifically & not trying to start a "right or wrong" arguement.

what is is real

what is observered is their perception of what real

thus it is their reality of the observation

but not necessarily real

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if you have three witness to an event

and they each say te had on a hat (chances are the hat was real)

but one says it is a blue stocking hat

another says it was a blue golf cap

and the other say it was a black stocking cap

what is the real hat

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The real hat is what was actually there, not what someone says was there.

This reminds me of the audience participation part of Peter Pan. Believing will not make Tinkerbell real.

but to them the hat they described is the real hat

thus it is their reality

and since they all had a different hat

that means their reality is not necessarily real

does it not

Lets not confuse words, I dont think Ad is trying to claim there is no reality beyond the personal, he is just sticking to the definition he set forth.

Nothing wrong with that, he said, "what is real is real

whether you know it or not" which to me implies that you both are in agreement on the nature of the subject, but differ on the flexibility of the word reality.

semantics FTL

The question I've been trying to get answered is: How do you determine what was actually there?

There are three different reports regarding the hat. The "real" one is what was actually there. But how is that determined?

It obviously cannot be determined from eyewitness reports. So how is it determined?

As far as I can tell, there is no way to determine it. And that is why I kepep saying the only practical definition of reality is based on agreement.

Ruth put it pretty well

It can't be determined definately. A majority vote does not = truth. We have to accept that some realities are going to be unknown.