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Topic: Wiccans - part 2
Krimsa's photo
Sun 10/26/08 05:06 PM


A mouse trap is a perfect example of the devious nature of humans.

Put out the yummy looking cheese... and then SNAP! Its all over.

The natural way is probably worse. My cat like to torture the mouse for about an hour and then leave it half dead on my bedroom floor.

I think my cat is trying to teach me to catch live prey. laugh laugh

I bought one of the battery operated mouse traps that shock the mice to death. They work like a charm. No mess, no smell, all mice dead.


Its like a little mouse electric chair? surprised laugh I had a mouse that got into my dog food bin and he must have ate till he exploded. It was awful. I guess they dont have a sense of being satiated. :tongue:

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Sun 10/26/08 05:27 PM


A mouse trap is a perfect example of the devious nature of humans.

Put out the yummy looking cheese... and then SNAP! Its all over.

The natural way is probably worse. My cat like to torture the mouse for about an hour and then leave it half dead on my bedroom floor.

I think my cat is trying to teach me to catch live prey. laugh laugh
:smile: Your cat is bringing you a "gift":smile:


She brings home birds as big as her. She attempts to feed the whole family. laugh

beachbum069's photo
Sun 10/26/08 05:40 PM



A mouse trap is a perfect example of the devious nature of humans.

Put out the yummy looking cheese... and then SNAP! Its all over.

The natural way is probably worse. My cat like to torture the mouse for about an hour and then leave it half dead on my bedroom floor.

I think my cat is trying to teach me to catch live prey. laugh laugh

I bought one of the battery operated mouse traps that shock the mice to death. They work like a charm. No mess, no smell, all mice dead.


Its like a little mouse electric chair? surprised laugh I had a mouse that got into my dog food bin and he must have ate till he exploded. It was awful. I guess they dont have a sense of being satiated. :tongue:

6VDC of pure carnage

Krimsa's photo
Sun 10/26/08 05:49 PM
Does it smell? sick

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/26/08 07:55 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sun 10/26/08 07:56 PM


I was curious about Scientology, so I did a little reading. In the course of my research I found a connection between Wicca, UFOs and Scientology. What I discovered is how Aleister Crowley used ritual and Cabbalism, to "open portals for beings of extraterrestrial current". This is how he came in contact with the "inter-dimensional entity" named "Lam". He is described as being a grey being with large eyes, remarkably close in appearance to the grey alien used to describe extraterrestrials by UFO enthusiasts, and victims, alike. Mr. Crowley referred to Lam and his fellow greys, as "Enochian entities".

Groups such as the Golden Dawn, and the New Isis Lodge, use ritual magick, with diagrams or line drawings, known as "signatures of entities" to "open the four gates of extraterrestrial entry into, and emergence from, the known universe". It is thought that these entities are seen (and appreciated) in a certain consciousness. To bring about this alternate consciousness, Aleister Crowley used his infamous sex rituals, which were known to even involve animals. One of his well known followers and fellow workers, named Jack Parsons, in 1946, partnered with a man named "Frater H". And they made contact with entities, like Lam, using magic rituals called "Babylon Workings". Frater H, I read, is L. Ron Hubbard, science fiction writer, and founder of Scientology.

Scientology teaches its followers in steps, that we humans inhabiting Earth, are space aliens from a million years ago, who are working out our karma until we are "clear" or basically, attain (what so many of us desire) Cosmic Consciousness. Scientology sets up (very expensive, very long lasting) sessions designed to "clear" us.

http://www.helium.com/items/99026-thoughts-on-scientology


Very interesting Mirror.

I met a guy here in Springfield who was into a lot of the golden dawn witchcraft and he wanted to work with me to open a portal to the next (or astral) world. We were getting together once a week practicing exercises and stuff.

He was able to see things... or else he was totally psychotic I don't know which. I believe he may have been in contact with other dimensional beings or else was just psychotic. It is hard to tell or make a judgment about that when we are taught to believe that people who see things and hear voices in their head are just crazy.

And yet I have to keep an open mind about other dimensions because I think it is very possible.

Anyway, he confessed to me that these beings spoke to him and told him to do bad things. I did not get into or ask what bad things he was being told what to do... I did not really want to know. It was kind of scary.

Anyway he said he refused to obey these evil voices and he said that they were very angry with him and they told him he had broken his agreement with them.

I was trying to guide him into a more positive form of magick away from the opening of a door to the astral worlds.

One day he just died. He was a young man and he did drink a lot to silence the voices and took medications for his hallucinations. I inquired of his death and I was told he had a brain aneurysm.

So logic would say that the brain problem was the cause of his hallucinations or you might also imagine that these other dimensional creatures, if they are real, could have caused his death because they were angry at him.

Its all in what you believe. I try to keep an open mind.

JB


flowerforyou I'll tell you what I find interesting about the New Age religions JB, is that every time you research their origins you will always come up with the same names.:smile:Especially L.Ron Hubbard.:smile:Thats why he's one of my favorites.:tongue:This guy was into everything!laugh

Abracadabra's photo
Sun 10/26/08 08:40 PM
~ My Journey has Begun ~

I need to take a journey
I have books to read and books to write
and moons to worship in the night
and songs to write for pure delight
for I have seen the light

The witches path is calling
and the love I have is falling
for the Goddesses of creation
and Her Spiritual vibrations

The forest beckons with her trees
and offers up Her expertise
to share the primal knowledge
of Her raw organic college

The wind has whispered secrets
as She kisses on my face
and overwhelms my spirit
with Her ethereal embrace
I surrender to her loveliness
as She permeates my space
and takes my soul to greater heights
as She fills me with her grace

I must be off to worship Her
in the greatest sense of Love
and listen for Her lyrics
in the singing of the Dove
I finally found my calling
and it fits me like a glove
the Spirit flows within me
and through everything thereof

I've begun a Book of Shadows
with reflections of my soul
to paint a vivid picture
of the Goddess I extol
I've given her my failings
and She has made me whole
I've finally found the purpose
that has been my lifelong goal

Before I go, I leave you this;
A tribute to a broom
A little bit of folklore
that you are welcome to consume

Blessed Be!
From me to Thee
may all your flowers bloom
Owl be back in future lives
from the far side of the tomb waving

flowerforyou

(Abra 10/26/08)

Boom Folklore

http://www.ladyoftheearth.com/tools/broom-lore.txt

The following is the main page of the above site (this looks like a cool site) bigsmile

Lady of the Earth

http://www.ladyoftheearth.com


Krimsa's photo
Mon 10/27/08 03:32 AM

~ My Journey has Begun ~

I need to take a journey
I have books to read and books to write
and moons to worship in the night
and songs to write for pure delight
for I have seen the light

The witches path is calling
and the love I have is falling
for the Goddesses of creation
and Her Spiritual vibrations

The forest beckons with her trees
and offers up Her expertise
to share the primal knowledge
of Her raw organic college

The wind has whispered secrets
as She kisses on my face
and overwhelms my spirit
with Her ethereal embrace
I surrender to her loveliness
as She permeates my space
and takes my soul to greater heights
as She fills me with her grace

I must be off to worship Her
in the greatest sense of Love
and listen for Her lyrics
in the singing of the Dove
I finally found my calling
and it fits me like a glove
the Spirit flows within me
and through everything thereof

I've begun a Book of Shadows
with reflections of my soul
to paint a vivid picture
of the Goddess I extol
I've given her my failings
and She has made me whole
I've finally found the purpose
that has been my lifelong goal

Before I go, I leave you this;
A tribute to a broom
A little bit of folklore
that you are welcome to consume

Blessed Be!
From me to Thee
may all your flowers bloom
Owl be back in future lives
from the far side of the tomb waving

flowerforyou

(Abra 10/26/08)

Boom Folklore

http://www.ladyoftheearth.com/tools/broom-lore.txt

The following is the main page of the above site (this looks like a cool site) bigsmile

Lady of the Earth

http://www.ladyoftheearth.com




You are quite the poet Abra! I just noticed your "Cavemen" one over in the Poetry/Creative Writing Forum. I liked it a lot! laugh I think you are talented enough to submit some of these unless its just a personal hobby. They are very good. :tongue:

beachbum069's photo
Mon 10/27/08 04:15 AM

Does it smell? sick

Just enough to kill them not burn them. It has an LED that comes on when there is a mouse inside of it.

Krimsa's photo
Mon 10/27/08 04:31 AM


Does it smell? sick

Just enough to kill them not burn them. It has an LED that comes on when there is a mouse inside of it.


I actually ended up using the bait here on the farm. That is different though because you guys are dealing with them in your house. As long as you have no other pets it is fine. Actually the chemical poison they utilize (some brands) is designed not to hurt larger pets like dogs. The bait will work eventually because they eat it and they bring it back to the nest. But then you have to clean up all the cadavers. Its depressing either way but they do become very destructive. In the winter, it will only worsen as they strive to find cover from the cold.

Ruth34611's photo
Mon 10/27/08 05:13 AM
James, your poetry is amazing. flowerforyou

Ruth34611's photo
Mon 10/27/08 06:07 AM
October 27, 2008

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Monday

Feast of the Holy Souls

Waning Moon ~ Moon Sign: Libra

Moon Phase: Fourth Quarter

Color: Gray

Incense: Clary Sage

Ruth34611's photo
Mon 10/27/08 09:02 AM
Brigid

Goddess of light, inspiration and all skills associated with fire, she is the benefactress of inner healing and vital energy. She is the mother of all things, mistress of all the elements, Queen with divine powers, trilogy goddess of the spoken word, healing and fire.

Her Story

The Celtic goddess Brigid is the traditional patroness of healing (represented by twin serpents), poetry (the ancient Celtic tradition of see-poets and bardic lore were the primal retainers of culture and learning), and smithcraft (her sisters carry the alchemical sword and blacksmithing tongs). All of these elements are all practical and inspired wisdom and creativity.

Brigid was worshipped by the pre-Christian Brigantes as the Bringer of Prosperity, but over the centuries made the transition from pagan Mother Goddess to Virgin Mother to Christian Virgin Saint. Her magic powers and strength over fire were consistent through her morphisms, and she successfully made the transition back to goddess again with most of her traditions intact.

She is the caregiver of the fire she keeps burning in the hearths - "it is she who hangs her cloak upon the rays of the sun and whose dwelling-place radiates light as if on fire".

She is revered with sacred trust for her divine justice in both Ireland and the highlands and islands of Scotland. The worship of Saint Brigid has persisted up until the early 20th century with her Irish followers as faithful to her as to the Virgin Mother Mary.


Her Modern Energy

Compassion, generosity, hospitality, spinning, weaving, smithwork, healing and agriculture ran throughout her various lives and evolution.

Consistent with Celtic lore, Brigid's women are honoured and highly respected. Brigid is not compromised by allegiance to one lover or husband, so is free to utilise her healing powers for the good of all.


Reconnect With Your Inner Brigid

If you are feeling you have lost your passion, your fire, and you are wandering without goals and directions, light a candle for Brigid.

As you let yourself become mesmerised by the flickering flame, try to internalise Brigid's gentle wisdom to help you escape from the maze you have created for yourself. She will lead you home to the safety of her hearth, and you can rest in safety with the knowledge that you are warm, loved, serene and wise.

Brigit, ever excellent woman,
golden sparkling flame,
lead me to your fireside,
warm me with your love.

Krimsa's photo
Mon 10/27/08 09:07 AM
Interesting Ruth. The Goddess Bridget was actually the very first Goddess I began to research some years ago. In fact the Celtic mythology in general is tremendously fascinating. flowers

Ruth34611's photo
Mon 10/27/08 09:21 AM
She is one of the Triple Goddesses like Hecate and The Morrigan.

I also find Celtic mythology fascinating.

Abracadabra's photo
Mon 10/27/08 09:52 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Mon 10/27/08 09:57 PM
I'm possessed! pitchfork

I just came back from shopping and I had a really great day!

Actually it was a great evening. I went out to buy some specialty bolts for a door I am building. So I had to go to this specialty hardware place. And since I've been reading about Wicca I'm keeping a keen eye out for tools and ritual materials. After all, I'm just starting out, Owl need supplies!

Well, what a BOON FALL! Was I lucky tonight!

I'm not even sure to where to begin. I bought so much stuff! laugh

Really great prices too! Super inexpensive but really great quality.

A Singing Bowl

Ok, I've been looking at singing bowls on the Internet in occult shops they often start at about $40 and go up to well over $100. Well at those prices I was afraid my Goddess was just going to have to do without one. But here's what happened. I went into the kitchen department actually looking to find a suitable inexpensive cast iron cauldron. No luck there. They actually had some but they weren't inexpensive.

In any case, I spotted this highly polished stainless steel bowl. My eye caught it right away and I though, "Boy does that look divine. It just looks like it should be sitting on an altar".

So I went over and picked it up. It has a really nice heavy feel to it with a nice shape and a curved lip that almost give it a religious look to it. I mean if you saw this thing sitting on the Pope's table it wouldn't look out of place at all.

So then I though, "Hmmm? I wonder if it rings". So I held it up from the bottom on the finger tips of my left hand and have it a tap with my finger.

OMG!!!! This thing sounds like a CHURCH BELL! It was so loud I had too look around to see if anyone was listening. And it just kept ringing and ringing and ringing I finally had to dampen it with my hand.

What a FIND! I can't believe it! I can't imagine a bowl that sings better than this one does. It just has a beautiful bell ring just like a full size cast iron bell. So then I looked on the bottom of it. It's only $4.99. I couldn't believe it! I would have gladly slipped out a $20 bill without hesitation.

By the way. This was the only one left! Was I lucky or what?

Well actually I continued shopping and found a second one just like it only the next size smaller. Evidently someone had picked it up and put it down in another department. That one also rang out like bell at a slightly higher pitch. And it was only $3.99 and it went in the cart straight away as well.

So now I have really pretty stainless steel singing bowls that are so highly polished they look like they are chrome plated but they aren't It's just highly polished stainless steel. What a great find. I can't believe the prices.

Bells of Love

You may recall a while back I was talking about a love spell that I want to perform with bells of love. But I hadn't found a suitable chime yet. I actually wanted a small wind chime but I can't hear those little tiny ones. They're too high-pitched for my damaged ears (I had been in an explosion once and damaged my ear drums).

Anyway I found this absolutely beautiful wind chime with long copper tubes. It's called "Serenity Garden". I love the looks of it and the sound is so mellow and it has nice harmony among its six large chimes. These chimes are about a foot long each (each one is slightly different length) and they are about 1/2" diameter tubing. It also has what appears to me to be like a rune symbol of the wind carved in the wooden weight beneath the gong.

I really wanted these chimes but they are $49, and that was more than I wanted to pay. But my heart was just throbbing to have this hanging over my bed by the west window calling for my soulmate. (I'm a diehard romantic if you can't already tell already laugh )

But alas $49 was a bit too much. Quite a bit too much for my budget. But just they this old guy come up to help me and he said, "There more in the boxes on the floor". I looked down and saw a lot of boxes. One of them was marked $19.

So I picked it up and opened it. Inside was the EXACT SAME WIND CHIME! I said to the guy, "But the on the box it says $19 and the price tag on the one hanging on display says $49". He says, "I'll give it to you for the price on the box".

I now have my LOVE CHIMES! love

There's still more to do associated with that spell anyway. I haven't even cast my first circle yet and don't expect to for quite some time. Lot's more toys to get first. Er, I mean tools to buy.

So I put the chimes in my cart with tender loving care and a great big grin on my face.

Candles

Then I went to their candle department. Wow! These people must be witches! They have these beautiful sets of colorful candles for only $1.19 for a pack of 6. And the hues were beautiful. From nice pastels to deep rich colors. Each package a rainbow of joy. I got four packs of Orange that actually ranges from yellow to deep read and all the fiery hues in between. Apple, which is a rainbow of greens. Ocean Breeze which is a rainbow of blues. And lavender from very light to dark purple. This was a windfall for a witch who had no candles!

And they are all scented accordingly. I'm looking forward to burning the apple scented ones even just for mood as I write on my Book of Shadows.

Things are really coming together for me too. My sister had just sent me a calligraphy pen set out of the blue. She said she was thinking of me and thought I might like it. How perfect timing is that? Owl right my Book of Shadows using calligraphy. bigsmile

This is such a romantic religion I love it! :heart:

I also picked up several really cool candle holders also at a great price.

Incense and Soap Stone

Then I moved on to the incense department. They had tons of stuff. Including lots of potpourri stuff and scented oils. I had to restrict myself to the incense section to keep from going berserk. This is something that I've been meaning to get. It's on my list.

So I bought three really kewl bottles of incense cones. Each bottle is stopper with a wooden stopper and has a ceramic incense pad tied onto the neck of the bottle.

Then something really WEIRD HAPPENED!

I was distracted by bags of river rocks. They were really pretty and so natural looking and I was thinking I could use them as magick stones in rituals. I picked up a bag and looked it over and thought it was pretty cool and started to put it in my cart. Then I felt a cold draft of air and a really negative feeling came over me like I was doing something wrong. A thought emerged in my mind, "You can get river rocks at the river for free".

I immediately thought, "Of course, this is silly buying a bag of rocks what's wrong with me? They're just river rocks. That's all they are.

They my attention was attracted to a shelf, almost as if someone was with me and wanted me to look at something. I took a closer look and there were these really beautiful intricately carved soapstone incense burners for the same price as the rocks! I got two of them. They are both really cool and one of them as a place to burn the incense in the bottom, and it has like a soapstone cauldron above that could be filled with sand and used to either burn incense or douse matches.

When I placed those soapstone incense burners in the card I feel a very warm breath of air flowing up my neck. And a deep feeling of peace came over me.

Then a lady's voice came over the loudspeaker. "Store closes in 10 minutes please head to the checkout counters".

On the way back past the candles my eye caught this really cool ceramic jar. I don't know why. There was something divine looking about it. It's about the size of a closed fist, and it's an off white. A truly interesting color of cream. And it has a really nice lid. I picked it up and removed the lid. Inside was filled with cream vanilla scented wax with a candle wick stick up. I took a sniff and the aroma was erotic. It was $5 and I was indecisive about whether or not to buy it. A voice in the back of my mind softly said, "If you put that back on the shelf I'll kill you".

Into the cart it when. bigsmile

On the way back up to the counter I also stopped and grabbed two exotic bottles of scented bath oils. Orange Flower Honey, and Honey and Blackberry. I have no idea why I grabbed those bottles. I never buy scented bath oil. My eye just caught them and I had an over whelming urge to put them in the cart.

The Bolts!

I was standing in the checkout line and it was almost as if someone was standing behind me and whispered in my ear, "Bolts".

I instantly shouted out "OMG! The bolts!". I didn't even realize I said it out loud until everyone turned to look at me.

Fortunately I had enough time to get the specialty bolts that I originally drove over there to get. laugh

I'm going to take a bath now and burn some vanilla candle and soak in some honey and blackberry oil.

This religion is cool. shades

Owl have to go shopping more often. But I'm also feeling a calling to go out in the woods and find some brook stones and broom making twigs.

I can't wait to cast my first circle, but it's going to be quite some time before I'm ready to do that.

There's so much more going on here too. I didn't get to share about the indoor water fountain, the song birds, the wooden pentacle table. I guess a person just can't share everything huh? Oh and the clothes too! So much going on!

Well at least I got my love chimes now and two singing bowls! I'm making progress. Oh dear, I forgot to mention the water bowl I bought tonight too, it's truly cool. Deep blue thick iron glass yet it has the perfect translucence. And the shape and rim match the feminine curves of the singing bowls almost exactly. Amazing!

What a trip!

Krimsa's photo
Tue 10/28/08 03:44 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Tue 10/28/08 03:47 AM
Abra did you mean to say "scrying bowl"? or is there something else referred to as a "singing bowl"? huh

Oh never mind I found it. Its like a bell! Interesting.

Ruth34611's photo
Tue 10/28/08 05:28 AM
I remember the first circle I cast. It was completely uneventful. I don't know what I was expecting, but I felt nothing. laugh

However, I didn't know a thing about grounding and I didn't ground at all. Just took down the circle and walked away. I was jittery for about 6 or 7 hours afterwards. That's when I learned about grounding. Apparently something was going on in my first circle.......I just didn't realize it.

no photo
Tue 10/28/08 06:48 AM


It is like magick, but it is more of an exact science or program the way the connected universe manifests things and events from the Universal mind and energy brings these things into fruition.

JB


I don't see any fundamental difference between the 'Law of Attraction' and Witchcraft at all.

None.

They both talk about weilding spiritual energy (vibrational energy) that is being granted to us from a 'universal mind'.

The fact that Witchcraft recognizes physical objects as playing a part in the conduction, storage, amplification, and direction of vibrations (spiritual energy) isn't a significant difference IMHO.

And they both recognize a 'Universal Mind'. The only thing that Witchcraft does is suggest a visualiztion of human-like aspects for the purpose of making communication with the Universal Mind more palatable in human terms.

They use the Moon to represent the Yin, and the Sun to represent the Yang, and they use all sorts of elemental relationships to identify with various aspects of emotional and spiritual power (or vibrations)

The only 'difference' is that Witchcraft seems to place slightly more value on the power (or vibrations) of preexisting manifestations, whilst maybe some people may view the "Law of Attraction" as being more mental (i.e. it's entirely observer-created by thought and all of physical reality is but a mere illusion) Therefore the mind can easily override any physical manifestation if it really wants to. I think Witchcraft might be more elemental than this allowing that we must be in harmony with all of the vibrations that already exist.

Witchcraft might actaully be grounded a bit more in the material world than the 'Law of Attraction'. At least from the point of view of some people. Like me. bigsmile

In other words, the Law of Attraction tends to see everying arrising from 'The Source'.

Well so does Witchcraft. However, Witchcraft also recognizes the energies that are readily available within current manifestations!

Sure you might say that the Law of Attraction does too. However, many of the rituals and spells of Witchcraft are actually designed to transfer and transform existing energy from one vibrational state into another.

And it uses methods associated with objects that also exist in the manifest world.

It's not all about the mind.

The mind may very well be what is controling these energies and frequencies, but just the same it is the manifestations of the physcial world that is vibrating.

This is why I find Witchcraft much more attractive than the less 'earthy' ideas of a purely mental 'Law of Attraction'

I see the value in the Witches tools.

They are far more than just props. They are participants in the vibrational processes.

Take away the tools and you cripple your connection to the vibrational fields.

This is how I view it.

Also, if you suggest that the Law of Attraction also recognizes the value of preexisting material manifestations, then all you've done is agree that it really is just 'Witchcraft' spelled differently.

I don't truly see any difference at all between the two to be honest about it.

I'm drawn to the tools of Witchcraft. Although I will agree than almost any tool can be used.




Abra,

With all due respect to you, in this post you first state You "don't see any fundamental difference between the 'Law of Attraction' and Witchcraft at all."

Then you go on to speak with authority about the differences between the two and state why you prefer one over the other.

How much do you really know about the Law of Attraction and how it is similar to witchcraft?

With all of the books and things you have been buying for Tarot and Witchcraft did you think to spend ten dollars on the book "The Law of Attraction" or any other books by Esther and Jerry Hicks? (The best books out there explaining this law in my opinion) I believe this would be the best investment you ever make.

Have you taken the time to read the free book by Wallace D. Wattles a few times? It's free. You can find it on Wikipedia even happy

These books are the bare bones of the creative techniques. You can practice outer rituals with the best witch tools on the planet but if your inner work is not in order you will soon start complaining that none of it works.

JB












Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/28/08 08:33 AM

Well, my dear, just as you always say, "Anything I post is just my own personal opinion and/or personal experiences and conclusions."

When you say I speak with authority all you are really saying is that I sound convincing. laugh

Also you seem to be a little bit defensive about the Law of Attraction, but it wasn't my intent to belittle it in any way, when I stated that I see no difference between it and witchcraft I actually meant that as a compliment to the Law of Attraction. :wink:

And yes I should have said, "I see no major differences in the underlying abstract philosophies"

I did indeed go on to suggest some subtle differences. Although in hindsight maybe they aren't so subtle after all. I think the main difference between abstract witchcraft and The Law of Attraction is that witchcraft seem to fully accept that vibrational energy exist in physical manifestations (like brooms, daggers, singing bowls etc.) whilst people who preach The Law of Attraction tend to focus more on pure thought and mental energies. They tend to view these vibrations almost as if they exist in another domain or dimension of pure thought and that we bring them physical manifestation mainly through the process of the mind. Therefore the tend to downplay the value of hugging a broom for example.

I'm pretty sure that most speakers and authors I've heard or read on the topic of The Law of Attraction view those things almost entire as visual aids to help the mental process of creation rather than as being required tools to help store, amplify, transform and guide vibrational energy.

Now, this has all just been my own personal opinion. In fact, if this site allowed for a permanent signature at the bottom of every post that is precisely the disclaimer I would place on all my posts. Actually this should be an automatic thing for everyone. We all just post our own personal opinions, based on our own knowledge, experience, and perceptions. This should be automatically understood.

I think many religions and systems of personal spiritual growth have a lot in common. So I was merely commenting on the fact that I see a lot of commonalities between the underlying abstract philosophies of the practice of witchcraft and the basic idea behind the Law of Attraction. But clearly there are differences.

In fact by its very title The Law of Attraction is actually quite ego-centric. It is focused on what you can do to attract things into your life. Witchcraft, on the other hand is more concerned with the storage, amplification, transformation of directing of vibrational energy (on what we tend to refer to as a spiritual frequencies spectrum). I can actually see a basis for this in energy fields that have not yet been fully discovered by science.

So my only desire was to point out this difference between these two practices. I personally feel that witchcraft is more on the track with what actually going on from a scientific point of view, and the Law of Attraction is slightly more focused on attracting things via pure though and feelings. They do recognize the value of the human body as a physical oscillator of frequencies but they don't seem to embrace the natural world as being as relevant. To me that's seems to be the focal point of their differences.

Having said all of this, let me also say that at this point in time I have read more about the Law of Attraction than I have about witchcraft. So even though I already favor witchcraft, I actually know less about it at this point.

Finally, and this is extremely important. There is no such thing as witchcraft or The Law of Attraction. These are just labels that we place on ideas that various humans have put together over many years. Nothing is carved in stone. So it's all a matter of opinion and there are not such things as true experts. Although their may be people who have been practicing these techniques for many years and thus have experience and success with them.

I've already read some things on the Internet about witchcraft and immediately thought to myself, "Boy these people sure too off on a tangent" I'm not saying that they are necessarily wrong, but they are sure heading off in a direction that I wouldn't think about heading based on my very limited introduction to what the craft is all about.

There is so much to these things Jeannie. We really can't just point to one label and say, "That's the way!". And if I sound like I'm doing that with witchcraft, I apologize. It certainly has value for me. I think the thing that I'm so excited about is that I see the scientific reasoning behind it and it's a bit more earthy to me, whilst The Law of Attraction has been presented to me as being more focused on the cerebral.

I personally feel that both the earth (meaning manifestation) and the cerebral are of equal import. I just personally see witchcraft as recognizing this intimacy more clearly. That's all.

And I wanted to share that. It was never my intent to 'belittle' The Law of Attraction. My comments were just intended as a comparison for the purpose of sharing my perspective and to explain why I now prefer to focus on witchcraft rather than the Law of Attraction now. Witchcraft has put together a very elaborate system of rituals, tools, and spiritual techniques that I personally find very fulfilling in every aspect of what I've yearned for in personal development.

It's a system that is already working for me and I haven't even begun to tap into the actual art of storing, amplifying, transforming and guiding spiritual energy. Precisely how well I'll be able to do that is yet to be seen, but that is unimportant to me because that's not the ultimate goal. That's just the icing on the cake.

There are other elements of value in witchcraft that I'm already benefiting from. However, again I stress that 'witchcraft' is just a word. Scott Cunningham is guiding me into his version whilst simultaneously offering me a silver platter of abstraction and 'permission' to be who I am and run with my own spirituality as it fits me on a deep intuitive level. And this is precisely what I am doing, and I'm finding it quite fulfilling. I've never gotten that from anything I've read on the Law of Attraction. So I guess that's the main thing I'm attempting to share in my posts in this thread. :wink:

And I don't mean to speak as an authoritarian at all. I'm just sharing a neophyte's views.

I figure anyone who can see that I've only just discovered witchcraft in its purest abstract form would understand this. But maybe they don't realize that this is what is happening here.

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Tue 10/28/08 10:56 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 10/28/08 10:58 AM
Abra,

The law of attraction is just a law.

It is not MY law any more than the law of gravity would be MY law.

It is NOT a cult or a religion or "practice" or even a "creative technique" (like witchcraft and others.)

It is just a law.

I don't 'preach' the law of attraction, I just like to tell people about it and discuss creative techniques based on this law, with people who seem interested, and I like to recommend (what I consider) are the best books on the subject.

You do not have to compare (or choose between) the law of attraction and witchcraft or any other creative technique.

(One is a law and the other is a creative technique.)

I don't know anyone who 'preaches' the law of attraction.

Also you seem to be a little bit defensive about the Law of Attraction, but it wasn't my intent to belittle it in any way, when I stated that I see no difference between it and witchcraft I actually meant that as a compliment to the Law of Attraction.


Its not my law why would I be defensive about it?

Witchcraft is a creative technique.
The law of attraction is just a law.

You may be confusing the creative techniques I have talked about with the actual law of attraction. ~~I may have done the same thing.

They are actually two different things.

I use and teach creative techniques. There are many different kinds. All of them are subject to the law of attraction.

When you say I speak with authority all you are really saying is that I sound convincing.


Well ......convincing to some maybe. :wink: laugh

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