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is no one gonna answer my question? Is a part of God not sorry for the bad things he does?
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The truth is, Spider, that I could post objections all day long and in the end, if I didn't agree with you I would still be considered by you to be not "right thinking and honest". Absolutely. Moreover, there are Christians on the forums that vehemently disagree with Spider's views on Christianity. Spider thinks he own's God.  In fact, this is precisely the danger of religions that have dogma that claim to be the word of God. Any Paper Pope who picks up the dogma can instantly think that he speaks for God. Spider has just told several lies about me on this thread already. Lies that he knows are untrue. I think if he wants to preach a religion he should think about practicing it first. 
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is no one gonna answer my question? Is a part of God not sorry for the bad things he does? God doesn't do bad things. Being sorry and being repentant are two totally different things. Many wife beaters are sorry that they beat their wives, but they don't become repentant by trying to change their ways. Some people are never sorry or repentant, such people lack a conscience. |
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You know perfectly well that I have read the Bible. Last post on this topic...Honestly, I don't believe you have ever read the Bible. That is the honest truth. You have never shown even a cursory knowledge of the Bible. |
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No, the question in my mind is "Did she read and understand the Bible", so I asked for objections to see if you could pose your own objections or if you would copy/paste from some website. You did neither, so I am no closer to answers to my question. Again this implies that you believe my objections simply need to be addressed and "fixed". I care not to debate the truthfulness of religion as it is a subject that will just go around and around and around. Right thinking and honest people cannot be convinced when it come to religion. They simply come to understand what is true for themselves and recognize it may or may not be the same for others. No, not at all. I know that many people have objections to the Bible and have read it. I suppose I exaggerated when I made my first post, there are surely many Jews and Muslims and others who have read the Bible and haven't become Christians. That was really a tertiary point of my post, but whatever. My implication is that you might not have read the Bible and I wanted to test your knowledge. My implication is that you might not have understood the Bible and therefore wouldn't be "Right thinking" (you can't be right thinking if you start with wrong information). I guess you are trying to read my mind, but you aren't doing a good job. I asked politely if you would share your objections with me, if you don't want me, cool. Gives me more time to do the things I enjoy other than discuss religion. You may have found it to be a tertiary point of your post, but I found it arrogant and offensive. Since you have admitted that it was an untrue statement I accept that and we can be done. I have no interest in having my knowledge tested or in proving anything to anyone. I just think if these things are going to be discussed they should be done so without such insults. |
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is no one gonna answer my question? Is a part of God not sorry for the bad things he does? God doesn't do bad things. Being sorry and being repentant are two totally different things. Many wife beaters are sorry that they beat their wives, but they don't become repentant by trying to change their ways. Some people are never sorry or repentant, such people lack a conscience. |
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God doesn't do bad things. According to the Bible God has done a log of bad things. Ever hear of the Great Flood? God told people to stone sinners to death. If that's not a bad thing then why would we consider it to be bad today? God told people to murder heathens and their wives and children. Clearly you haven't even a cursory knowledge of the Bible. |
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Didn't He though? Being Christian means that you believe Christ suffered and died on the cross to pay for the sins of mankind, and that He rose again from the dead after three days in the tomb. So He did die, but He is alive. Bottom line... He rose to heaven intact (by the words of the book)... therefore HE DID NOT DIE. Science and Religion must agree or one or both of them be wrong... We know that the body decomposes after a time in death... We also know that a person can be in shock that appears to be death to the uninformed... I can not believe a fable that does not hold water under the light of the sun of reality. Nor will I believe in a fable when the beauty of the truth of christ is SO MUCH MORE THAN CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE ALLOWS. His truth has been diminished by the lies told about him for control of the movement he started. Shame on your ancient elders that believed the foolish and passed that lie on to your generations. |
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The truth is, Spider, that I could post objections all day long and in the end, if I didn't agree with you I would still be considered by you to be not "right thinking and honest". Abra wrote: "....Moreover, there are Christians on the forums that vehemently disagree with Spider's views on Christianity...." Abra...I don't know of any Christians that vehemently disagree with what Spider writes here...  |
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Nor will I believe in a fable when the beauty of the truth of christ is SO MUCH MORE THAN CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE ALLOWS. His truth has been diminished by the lies told about him for control of the movement he started. Shame on your ancient elders that believed the foolish and passed that lie on to your generations. I absoltuely agree with with. From what gather from historians Jesus had great things to say. It was only CERTAIN Christains that truly crucified him him in doctines. In fact, what people today call the Holy Bible and the 'Gospels' are actually the documents of the men who murdered all the other Christians who disagree with their bigoted controlling views. The Holy Bible that so many Christians worship today was actually written by cold-blooded heartless murderers. If you don't believe me just look into the history of the Cathers for example. Totally murdered off by direct order of the Pope. The Christianity that people worship today is a religion of murderers. That's a fact. And the Cathers is only ONE example. |
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The truth is, Spider, that I could post objections all day long and in the end, if I didn't agree with you I would still be considered by you to be not "right thinking and honest". Abra wrote: "....Moreover, there are Christians on the forums that vehemently disagree with Spider's views on Christianity...." Abra...I don't know of any Christians that vehemently disagree with what Spider writes here... Most people who have been on these forums for any length of time at all have seen other Christians disagreeing with Spider. I've also personally received emails from Christians on the forums who just wanted to tell me that they don't support Spider's views. They didn't even want to be associated with him in disagreement on the forums. They just want no parts of him at all. So I'm well aware of quite a few Christians who do not agree with Mr. Spider's hardcore fundamentalism. Besides that, I can absolutely guarantee you that my mother would not have supported his views and she was the most devoted Christain I've ever known in my entire life. I'm sure that my uncles and some of my cousins who are Free Methodists would not agree with his views either. And they are also very devoted Christians. Besides, how foolish is it to suggests that all Christians would agree with Spider. Protestantism itself is a denouncment that any single person speaks for God. They rejected the idea of a Pope who speaks for their religion. Now you're trying to suggest that all Christians would agree with Spider? Maybe he should go and become the actual pope then.
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Abra...I don't know of any Christians that vehemently disagree with what Spider writes here... Thank you. I always wondered why everyone else can post about their beliefs all day, but Abra only calls me the Pope. I think he doesn't like the fact that I don't put up with his bull. |
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MirrorMirror
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Thu 10/23/08 07:55 PM
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Christ died and the sacrifice has been made for all mankind whom 'accepts the gift'. Free will, free thinking, people each one, all decide for themselves whether they will accept GODS Great Salvation. It is their for the taking.  Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorheez came back from the dead too. I think its not very wise to argue with people who come back from the otherside.I just do what they tell me.
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is no one gonna answer my question? Is a part of God not sorry for the bad things he does? the answer my lady according to what i read is yes. |
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Now you're trying to suggest that all Christians would agree with Spider? Abra burns down strawmen as fast as he makes them.
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Now you're trying to suggest that all Christians would agree with Spider? Abra burns down strawmen as fast as he makes them. You're more interested in burning Abra at the spiritual stake than anything else. I made my point in this thread that Christianity is a negative religion in that focuses solely on sin and salvation. There is no way to get to the Christian God outside of accepting that you have failed him and you are responsible for God having to sacrifice his Son to save your failed soul. You have been completely unable to refute that. So what do you do? You try to discredit me personally and claim that I don't know what the religion is all about. The religion is all about sin and salvation and the fact that all men have failed God. You can't refute that because it's the Gospel truth (quite literally). I know what the religion is about perfectly. You claim that I don't but you know that I do. So now you try to discredit me on a personal basis. Why don't you just confess that I'm right and the only way to the Christian God is through the negative act of confessing that you're failed him to the point where he had to have his Son butchered to save your pathetic failed soul. That's what the religion is about. Prove me wrong instead of just making lame empty personal attacks on me. You can't prove me wrong because I'm right. I know exactly what the religion is saying. |
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is no one gonna answer my question? Is a part of God not sorry for the bad things he does? God doesn't do bad things. Being sorry and being repentant are two totally different things. Many wife beaters are sorry that they beat their wives, but they don't become repentant by trying to change their ways. Some people are never sorry or repentant, such people lack a conscience. no my lady, christians blame man for all that is wrong - if A&E had not sinned then everything would have reamined perfect - that is their take on this type of thing be it plagues, diseases, people be born handicapped, blind, etc. all is mans fault accordig to them - i disagree however, but you'd have to read my post "is god responsible for everything" to get my take on it. |
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Now you're trying to suggest that all Christians would agree with Spider? Abra burns down strawmen as fast as he makes them. You're more interested in burning Abra at the spiritual stake than anything else. I made my point in this thread that Christianity is a negative religion in that focuses solely on sin and salvation. There is no way to get to the Christian God outside of accepting that you have failed him and you are responsible for God having to sacrifice his Son to save your failed soul. You have been completely unable to refute that. So what do you do? You try to discredit me personally and claim that I don't know what the religion is all about. The religion is all about sin and salvation and the fact that all men have failed God. You can't refute that because it's the Gospel truth (quite literally). I know what the religion is about perfectly. You claim that I don't but you know that I do. So now you try to discredit me on a personal basis. Why don't you just confess that I'm right and the only way to the Christian God is through the negative act of confessing that you're failed him to the point where he had to have his Son butchered to save your pathetic failed soul. That's what the religion is about. Prove me wrong instead of just making lame empty personal attacks on me. You can't prove me wrong because I'm right. I know exactly what the religion is saying. blah blah blah blah blah spider blah blah lame blah blah blah blah blah god blah blah blah she blah blah blah I'm smarter than anyone else. Yeah, we've heard it before. |
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two questions came to my mind as i read the "WHOLE" thing [that was meant for spidey!]
the first was for abra - was wondering if you [when you say you were saved] actually said the sinners prayer [as it called] telling jesus/god that you were sorry for your sins and admitting you were a sinner - now in my ignorence of your particular church/religion that you mention [free methodist], it might be different than with fudies or evangelicals [yes i do see a diff. between the 2] so i don't know for sure how your church may have gone about this - but i would like to know if you'd care to explain that for me or to me? I'm asking if they [your sectarian religion] then - had members come forward or what ever and accept christ and say to him lord i'm a sinner and am sorry for my sins and ask you to forgive me and come into my heart and be my lord and savior. or however your sect might have said it. 2nd - how long were you in it before you knew the basics of salvation and what it intailed? meaning as you state here, all that it reprsents as you now refute as lies. i ask only becuse i wonder why you stayed in it so long if you knew and say what youso obviously say time and time again now - just curiosity on my part. |
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Salvation can only be obtained by contemplating the sacred teachings of the Light Beings that have come from elsewhere to guide us.
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