Topic: For those who worry about the Patriot Act???
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Mon 10/20/08 04:16 PM







Uh...no one can answer what exactly DEMs have done for the WORKING class...WORKING being the operative word here folks.

So stop with the irrational hate & lies about REPS.


Health care, for one.


No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits?

How about a flat sales tax... do away with income tax completely. Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers... no one would have to worry about the under the table money being made & not taxed. No one would have to worry about if the wealthy are hiding their money in swiss banks. Businesses would not have to work their buz around the tax structure. If you can't find a job then you aren't looking.

come on folks... suggest away.
Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers. That Ive got to see!!! If you can't find a job then you aren't looking. Tell that to the people out of work!!! What jobs??? Oh Micky Ds making $6 hr..Is that want you mean?



did you read what I wrote???
I just trying to figure out how you are going to tax the drug dealers...Oh the jobs you were referring to are a result of the flat tax..I apologize..

pingpong's photo
Mon 10/20/08 04:16 PM
Isn't it obvious? Legalize pot. ;)

Quikstepper's photo
Mon 10/20/08 04:17 PM








Uh...no one can answer what exactly DEMs have done for the WORKING class...WORKING being the operative word here folks.

So stop with the irrational hate & lies about REPS.


Health care, for one.


No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits?

How about a flat sales tax... do away with income tax completely. Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers... no one would have to worry about the under the table money being made & not taxed. No one would have to worry about if the wealthy are hiding their money in swiss banks. Businesses would not have to work their buz around the tax structure. If you can't find a job then you aren't looking.

come on folks... suggest away.
Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers. That Ive got to see!!! If you can't find a job then you aren't looking. Tell that to the people out of work!!! What jobs??? Oh Micky Ds making $6 hr..Is that want you mean?



did you read what I wrote???
I just trying to figure out how you are going to tax the drug dealers...Oh the jobs you were referring to are a result of the flat tax..I apologize..



so maybe people can add their own thoughts...to get off McCain/OBAMA that is...

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Mon 10/20/08 04:21 PM





Uh...no one can answer what exactly DEMs have done for the WORKING class...WORKING being the operative word here folks.

So stop with the irrational hate & lies about REPS.


Health care, for one.


No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits?

How about a flat sales tax... do away with income tax completely. Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers... no one would have to worry about the under the table money being made & not taxed. No one would have to worry about if the wealthy are hiding their money in swiss banks. Businesses would not have to work their buz around the tax structure. If you can't find a job then you aren't looking.

come on folks... suggest away.
I would abolish the two party system..

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Mon 10/20/08 04:25 PM






Uh...no one can answer what exactly DEMs have done for the WORKING class...WORKING being the operative word here folks.

So stop with the irrational hate & lies about REPS.


Health care, for one.


No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits?

How about a flat sales tax... do away with income tax completely. Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers... no one would have to worry about the under the table money being made & not taxed. No one would have to worry about if the wealthy are hiding their money in swiss banks. Businesses would not have to work their buz around the tax structure. If you can't find a job then you aren't looking.

come on folks... suggest away.
I would abolish the two party system..



so what would your platform be?

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Mon 10/20/08 04:27 PM

I have slightly altered the title of this thread.

Please discuss the topic, without the insulting remarks folks.

Thanks,
Mark

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Mon 10/20/08 04:28 PM





Uh...no one can answer what exactly DEMs have done for the WORKING class...WORKING being the operative word here folks.

So stop with the irrational hate & lies about REPS.


Health care, for one.


No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits?

How about a flat sales tax... do away with income tax completely. Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers... no one would have to worry about the under the table money being made & not taxed. No one would have to worry about if the wealthy are hiding their money in swiss banks. Businesses would not have to work their buz around the tax structure. If you can't find a job then you aren't looking.

come on folks... suggest away.
No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits!!!!! We are already paying for the uninsured, higher premiums, taxes, costs..

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Mon 10/20/08 04:30 PM









Uh...no one can answer what exactly DEMs have done for the WORKING class...WORKING being the operative word here folks.

So stop with the irrational hate & lies about REPS.


Health care, for one.


No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits?

How about a flat sales tax... do away with income tax completely. Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers... no one would have to worry about the under the table money being made & not taxed. No one would have to worry about if the wealthy are hiding their money in swiss banks. Businesses would not have to work their buz around the tax structure. If you can't find a job then you aren't looking.

come on folks... suggest away.
Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers. That Ive got to see!!! If you can't find a job then you aren't looking. Tell that to the people out of work!!! What jobs??? Oh Micky Ds making $6 hr..Is that want you mean?



did you read what I wrote???
I just trying to figure out how you are going to tax the drug dealers...Oh the jobs you were referring to are a result of the flat tax..I apologize..



so maybe people can add their own thoughts...to get off McCain/OBAMA that is...


what are your thoughts QS, I would like to know, how would you change things? what things would you change for the benefit of mankind - not a political party?

franshade's photo
Mon 10/20/08 04:31 PM


I have slightly altered the title of this thread.

Please discuss the topic, without the insulting remarks folks.

Thanks,
Mark


thank you Mark flowerforyou

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Mon 10/20/08 04:37 PM










Uh...no one can answer what exactly DEMs have done for the WORKING class...WORKING being the operative word here folks.

So stop with the irrational hate & lies about REPS.


Health care, for one.


No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits?

How about a flat sales tax... do away with income tax completely. Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers... no one would have to worry about the under the table money being made & not taxed. No one would have to worry about if the wealthy are hiding their money in swiss banks. Businesses would not have to work their buz around the tax structure. If you can't find a job then you aren't looking.

come on folks... suggest away.
Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers. That Ive got to see!!! If you can't find a job then you aren't looking. Tell that to the people out of work!!! What jobs??? Oh Micky Ds making $6 hr..Is that want you mean?



did you read what I wrote???
I just trying to figure out how you are going to tax the drug dealers...Oh the jobs you were referring to are a result of the flat tax..I apologize..



so maybe people can add their own thoughts...to get off McCain/OBAMA that is...


what are your thoughts QS, I would like to know, how would you change things? what things would you change for the benefit of mankind - not a political party?






id tax everything except food. id keep americas nose where it belongs. id make sure evry other country in the world knew that if they ****ed with us im going to authorize a nuclear war. and id also get rid of poverty and homelessness and starvation in america. F the rest of the world.

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Mon 10/20/08 04:46 PM
Edited by tngxl65 on Mon 10/20/08 04:48 PM
But don't you see how the TOPIC of your post doesn't promote any sort of discourse? You start by calling anybody that doesn't agree with you an 'IDIOT'. What do you expect back from that?

Lol... that's what I get for taking 20 minutes to type a paragraph. Guess I wasn't the only one that noticed the 'IDIOT' in the title.

warmachine's photo
Mon 10/20/08 04:47 PM

Isn't it obvious? Legalize pot. ;)



That's my new battle cry, save the Republic, Legalize it!

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/20/08 04:51 PM


Isn't it obvious? Legalize pot. ;)



That's my new battle cry, save the Republic, Legalize it!


seriously? thats the stupidest thing ever. pot is a waste of time and space. want to legalize it? fine go ahead, but why? cigs get taxed too, how much of that money is seen again? none of it. it wouldnt change a thing except youd have even more impaired people driving around. great so now we got alcohol and stoners? wonderful.

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Mon 10/20/08 04:52 PM



Isn't it obvious? Legalize pot. ;)



That's my new battle cry, save the Republic, Legalize it!


seriously? thats the stupidest thing ever. pot is a waste of time and space. want to legalize it? fine go ahead, but why? cigs get taxed too, how much of that money is seen again? none of it. it wouldnt change a thing except youd have even more impaired people driving around. great so now we got alcohol and stoners? wonderful.


I hear it works wonders on cataracts :laughing:

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Mon 10/20/08 04:55 PM











Uh...no one can answer what exactly DEMs have done for the WORKING class...WORKING being the operative word here folks.

So stop with the irrational hate & lies about REPS.


Health care, for one.


No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits?

How about a flat sales tax... do away with income tax completely. Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers... no one would have to worry about the under the table money being made & not taxed. No one would have to worry about if the wealthy are hiding their money in swiss banks. Businesses would not have to work their buz around the tax structure. If you can't find a job then you aren't looking.

come on folks... suggest away.
Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers. That Ive got to see!!! If you can't find a job then you aren't looking. Tell that to the people out of work!!! What jobs??? Oh Micky Ds making $6 hr..Is that want you mean?



did you read what I wrote???
I just trying to figure out how you are going to tax the drug dealers...Oh the jobs you were referring to are a result of the flat tax..I apologize..



so maybe people can add their own thoughts...to get off McCain/OBAMA that is...


what are your thoughts QS, I would like to know, how would you change things? what things would you change for the benefit of mankind - not a political party?






id tax everything except food. id keep americas nose where it belongs. id make sure evry other country in the world knew that if they ****ed with us im going to authorize a nuclear war. and id also get rid of poverty and homelessness and starvation in america. F the rest of the world.


I'd end the IRS and the Federal Reserve, I'd make one PDD, which would be to ban PDD's, EO's and Signing statements.

I'd decriminalize all drugs, turning to treating addicts like addicts, just like we do with the Food-aholics and Alcoholics.

I'd return America to Noninterventionism, operating our military strictly on the Just War policy. The money that would be saved from closing the hundreds of unneccessary overseas bases, I'd use to fund Bergias end to poverty, first order of business would be to emminent domain the country club golf courses to turn into housing. No more subsidies for food, especially those that are being burned for fuel, I would fast track renewable energy and by legalizing weed, give the biofuels industry a real crop to work with.

I'd also ban party politics, and create legislation that really makes government transparent, right down to a youtube channel of the Oval office, 24 hours a day.

I could keep going...

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Mon 10/20/08 04:57 PM












Uh...no one can answer what exactly DEMs have done for the WORKING class...WORKING being the operative word here folks.

So stop with the irrational hate & lies about REPS.


Health care, for one.


No...that does nothing for the WORKING class...

That's a govt. handout. What about job creation WITH benefits?

How about a flat sales tax... do away with income tax completely. Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers... no one would have to worry about the under the table money being made & not taxed. No one would have to worry about if the wealthy are hiding their money in swiss banks. Businesses would not have to work their buz around the tax structure. If you can't find a job then you aren't looking.

come on folks... suggest away.
Then everyone pays...even the drug dealers. That Ive got to see!!! If you can't find a job then you aren't looking. Tell that to the people out of work!!! What jobs??? Oh Micky Ds making $6 hr..Is that want you mean?



did you read what I wrote???
I just trying to figure out how you are going to tax the drug dealers...Oh the jobs you were referring to are a result of the flat tax..I apologize..



so maybe people can add their own thoughts...to get off McCain/OBAMA that is...


what are your thoughts QS, I would like to know, how would you change things? what things would you change for the benefit of mankind - not a political party?






id tax everything except food. id keep americas nose where it belongs. id make sure evry other country in the world knew that if they ****ed with us im going to authorize a nuclear war. and id also get rid of poverty and homelessness and starvation in america. F the rest of the world.


I'd end the IRS and the Federal Reserve, I'd make one PDD, which would be to ban PDD's, EO's and Signing statements.

I'd decriminalize all drugs, turning to treating addicts like addicts, just like we do with the Food-aholics and Alcoholics.

I'd return America to Noninterventionism, operating our military strictly on the Just War policy. The money that would be saved from closing the hundreds of unneccessary overseas bases, I'd use to fund Bergias end to poverty, first order of business would be to emminent domain the country club golf courses to turn into housing. No more subsidies for food, especially those that are being burned for fuel, I would fast track renewable energy and by legalizing weed, give the biofuels industry a real crop to work with.

I'd also ban party politics, and create legislation that really makes government transparent, right down to a youtube channel of the Oval office, 24 hours a day.

I could keep going...



lol we all could my friend but were the only ones listening too. and the naysayers would refuse to act as needed. etc. theres alot of hurdles. lol.

warmachine's photo
Mon 10/20/08 05:05 PM



Isn't it obvious? Legalize pot. ;)



That's my new battle cry, save the Republic, Legalize it!


seriously? thats the stupidest thing ever. pot is a waste of time and space. want to legalize it? fine go ahead, but why? cigs get taxed too, how much of that money is seen again? none of it. it wouldnt change a thing except youd have even more impaired people driving around. great so now we got alcohol and stoners? wonderful.


Pot is like a freaking wonder plant, you can make clothes, fuels, plastics and other crap out of it. Turns out that pot smokers are less likely to get the MRSA staff infections, it works wonders with pain and helps cataracts, glaucoma and even gives cancer and HIV patients an appetite.

The money from taxes on smokes goes to whatever the Federal and state governments have it designated to go, for example in KS, the taxes from smokes had been used to help fund a school bond issue not so long ago.

The Netherlands reported that just the Illegal growers produced 2.7 billion dollars, that alone would go a long way towards repairing our deficiet issues. Not to mention the tariffs you could place on imported weed.

Lets turn to the money saved by releasing and no longer locking up the nonviolent weed smokers. 80% of the Drug war arrests are nonviolent potheads, who we then have to house, feed and supply for the length of their sentences and the only people profitting from this is the privatized prisons, who get to use the prisoners for slave labor.

Weed would reinvigorate the family farm and pot heads drive paranoid, which means they're buckling their seatbelts, watching their speed and using their mirrors and blinkers. Most sober people don't drive with the kind of meticulous paranoia that potheads do.


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Mon 10/20/08 05:10 PM
really? your basing your argument on the side effects of the drug? you do realize its got ingredients they use in acid right? and that it can have long term effects? hell the only reason it doesnt is maybe since you cant walk down the street with a j in your mouth. i wouldnt even care if they did legalize it, but get me some concrete evidence that were holding back our helaing potential or our amazing potential to make pot clothes and maybe i will relent, til then. pot is a drug and it shouldnt be legal. have fun dopers.

warmachine's photo
Mon 10/20/08 05:15 PM
So you're calling George Washington a doper?

The human body actually produces cannabinoids on its own, but in much smaller amounts. You're saying that you've not seen hemp clothes, heard about hemp ropes or seen the info available about hemp being used to make ethanol and other viable alternatives to petrochemicals?

The healing potential that cannabinoids presents is far reaching, just go take a look at the research cited by NORML.

Nevermind that law enforcement is finally starting to wise up to the horrific effects that the drug war has had on society. LEAP talks all about that.


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Mon 10/20/08 05:20 PM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 10/20/08 05:22 PM
I agree with you war!!! Im a non-smoker and raised a daughter who didnt.. The benifts out way the negative..Grow it, tax it, and use by products for bio fuel..