I was reading an article that says history has shown the potential of
prisons to serve as incubator's for extremist leader's and that it is
common for charismatic radical's to convert and radicalize disaffected
prisoner's.

A prison psychiatrist made a routine visit to a prison a few day's after
the Sept 11th attacks and states 1/3 of the inmate's praised the attacks
and the cheering could be heard throughout the cellblocks.

While prison radicalization was not exclusive to Islam, it also extends
to extremist Christian and neo-Nazi organizations. Neo-Nazi's share
common enemies with radical Muslims (jews, the state of Israel and the
US Government).

In prison, the religion of Islam attracks the vast majority of inmates
who convert to a religion while incarcerated and the number of
practioners dwarfs that of Muslim Chaplins working in US prisons. One
prison admitted 3,000 religous volunteers in a month.

Jailhouse Islam, aka Prislam, often applies a cut and paste of the Koran
into a radical agenda and gives the readers an appendix that calls them
to jihad.

While I don't pretend and can't possibly know all religion's, I do know
that GOD is to mean everything good and pure to all people, regardless
of it's name and that violence and hate carried out in the name of thier
GOD is not religion. Conversion made for convenience and as an excuse to
spread fear, hate and violence is not GODLY, in any religion. It's just
wrong to use a religion and corrupt it in such a manner.

My two cents.....

I agree and since I cannot add anything to your .02 my .02 is worth .00
now... LOL.

.00

OR

.04

however you look at it!

HITLER WROTE MINE KEMPH while in prison, his blueprint for Nazism.

Jane,
Trust me when I say that I know about prisons. You are right, Islam
recruits heavily in the system. In N.Y. State, The prison system now
recognizes the five percenters as a religion.
One thing I'll say is that although many inmates are drawn to Islam
while incarcerated ( mostly as an outlet to show their disdain for
whites in general and for the so called ruling class), Many do not
follow it's path on the street. Many of them tag along for protection or
social status inside the walls.
This is not to say that there is'nt mass recruiting going on and
criminal minds have nothing but time to scheme. The prospects of some of
these converts following through with missions for allah is unnerving.
If people knew some of the stories of what these people did to get
locked up to begin with, They woul;dn't want them back on the street,
Let alone organized with their own kind with a radical flag to fight
for.

I agree with what Glen wrote. I don't think there has been any
definitive studies of how any religion affects prisoners after leaving
their confines. I do know that on a phychological level most inmates
who are there, were not of the priveledged of society. Like children
they are looking for something the THEY can relate to, and a religion
that seems to substantiate, aknowledge and allow their anger at their
"poor" situations would definately be something they would cling to.
But as Glen said, put them in the real world again and I'm not so sure
they would still comply.

It's disturbing, to say the least, to know that any religion is being
corrupted and twisted to strike out and kill.

Apparently, the Federal Bureau of Prisons and the FBI are vetting
Chaplins and religious volunteers, tracking the inmates with suspected
terrorist ties. The FBP, FBI and the private sector are monitoring,
sharing information and insist this is a growing problem that needs to
be addressed now, rather than managing a crisis later. Recruitment of
just one radicalized prisoner to violent jihad poses a serious threat of
home-grown terrorist action.

This takes me back to my earlier post, that the religion, the Koran in
specific, is being manipulated, taken out of context, and used of
convenience to hate and kill. Not knowing the actual numbers of inmates
currently serving in correctional facilities as a whole, it would be
quite interesting to have those numbers in order to have a better idea
of an impact, if any, radicals and extremists would have.

Yes, rambill, Hiltler did write Mein Kampf in prison. Al-Zarqawi was
also in prison and his radicalization only grew harder there. It say's
the "shoe bomber" was a disaffected prisoner who was converted and
radicalized while in prison.

I think I see your point a little more clearly. It seems to me that you
might be thinking that there should be a way for someone to say - "so
what is your faith called and what do you believe and how will you teach
it?" Maybe even require some information about the actual hirearchy of
their organization? But here the rub my dear. This country allows
freedom of religion. This is not a right that a prisoner loses, not in
this country. It is also against our constitution that any legal
actions can be taken against a church or a belief system that is
currently causing no harm to society. So there is NO WAY that religions
can be graded, or judged to be worthy or righteous or harmless, it is
the division between church and state and the inalienable right of every
person in this US that will never allow us to monitor, deny or judge
anything a prisoner decides to belive. And if THEY/ANYONE does, they
will be in for a fight from a good portion of society.

I understand what you are saying redykeulous. I believe in freedom of
speech and the right to religion. I do agree everyone has the right to
practice and believe in their religion. I personally do not want the
government telling me what I can or can't believe in or what religion is
ok to have faith in.

Extremists, some violent, are corrupting religion. I think the actions
of and the individual themselves is something that needs to be looked
at/monitored versus the religion itself, no? For the article, it just
happens that the religion that is being taken out of context, and
convert to, is Islam. Prison is the perfect breeding ground for hate,
vengence and violence.

Possibly they are not monitoring the actual religion, but the actions
and individuals, as to their violent potential in prison and when/if
they get out.

well the Koran being manipulated and twisted to fit fanatics scheme of
things has been well known for quite sometime.

Fanatics come from all walks of life, just look at one example David
Koresh. Was he muslim? No he was not. It's not the religion but the
individual.

david Koresh. was denyed due process by you feds. we dont know what was
really going on as they burned them out. ever see the fleer footage of
the people running ou t of the back of the place and being fired on?
ever see the footage of the tanks driving over graves of the fallen
church members? lets put someone ina an impossible situation and then
when they say or do something a little strange.....
sometimes the things we dont see tellus everything. wheres the fed
agent knocking on the door to deliver the warrent and getting shot? i
saw a cattle car full of armed thugs raiding a church. the first thing
koresch did was call 911 to ask them to stopp shooting, as he had women
and childern there. and why was the ATF investigating child molestation
accusations anyway? Do you know that there were 5 class 3 weapons
dealers living there? did you know that the helicopter orbiting the
building shot thru the roof and killed thier own men?

Ram is right, this is exactly why we can not judge the religions no
matter how they seem to be twisted to fit a situation. We can not blame
a religion for the beliefs that cause individuals to bring harm to
others. A religious defense in such a case is NO DEFENSE at all. Just
as the government requires those in service to use sound, ethical
judgement no matter the command from higher up, so too, must we require
the sound and ethical judgement of each individual with regards to their
religious beliefs. So until or unless a crime is committed, no religion
will fall under legal presidents. Scrutiny, maybe, was not communism
scrutinized in this country, is not socializm a taboo in this country -
not forbidden, as far a beliefs go, simply scrutinized.

In what may seem to be another issue, the reason for a punitive system
at all, was and should be the re-education of those who will assume
roles within the general population again. We have failed misserably in
this effort. Perhaps if we chose this path, those who fall as prey to
these relligious devients may not be so willing to follow.

In this vein - Japan has the most fabulous penal system that I have ever
seen or heard in the world. Anyone want to hear about it?

yah sure. and its the second greatest. Gods government would be no. 1

Wow...fantastic post's. I agree, that no religion should be used as a
defence. The person doing the deed is accountable to a higher being at
the end of the day, not the religion used to express their hate and
violence.

I am aware that any given religion has it's fanatic's and the extremists
but found this one article interesting in that it was about those in
correctional facilities.....where hate can further be fostered and will
fester.

I absolutely support Fedman ... Nowdays it is Koran has been brought to
surface ... tomorrow it is gonna be other religios books. Everything to
feed politics ... :^(

just thhought some may find this quote relative

s a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.
Adolf Hitler

It is up to God to judge the terrorists,
It's our job to arrange the meeting


- U.S. Marine Corps-

ironic simply ironic

gotta luv ya glenn

listen friends.......
one thread was an accident being in religion I am sure, but two? PLEASE
post all threads in their correct area, so those of us that are
intersted in finding them can do so. THIS IS THE RELIGION FORUM NOT
CURRENT EVENTS...
Like I said, I can understand an accidental posting sometimes, but not
twice like this, this close together. Please keep it in the right
forums.
I for one like to post in almost every forum onhere, and I am sure
others do as well. If we do nt keep it in the right forum we will never
be able ot find naything and we will never be able to discuss what we
want to. Thank you for your understanding.

well unless i am missing somtething this is a religous thread

using extreme end of various religous spectrums

to promote conversion

but hey what do i know

conjunction with thread in general.....


than kyou adj I had not read it completely through the first time. I
can see how it can be considered religion now that I have. Still sounds
kinda political though in nature, lol know hwta I mean?

And I apologize to any I might have offended, I was not trying to be
rude or harsh...

I am only ahlf awake and failed to read it al the way through the first
time. I jave now reread the wholething, and although political I can
see the religious aspect as well...

Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part.