Interviewer Opie Read once asked Lincoln about his conception of God, to which he replied: "The same as my conception of nature." When he was asked what he meant by that, he said: "That it is impossible for either to be personal."

Supreme Court Justice David Davis: "He (speaking of Lincoln) had no faith, in the Christian sense of the term, he had faith in laws, principles, causes and effects."
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http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

thnx for that MS

You're Welcome Tribo....

Here are some Famous Quotes ,
NOT taken out of Context
by our Founding Fathers:



http://www.eadshome.com/famousquotes.htm

Are we almost at the part where you explain how it all ties into the neolithic era? j/k

Thats inapplicable but feel free to tell us about the "Sky Gods" whenever you like.

Ok. Humans have worshiped different kinds of gods down through the millenia.This is tied to the level of sociological and technological development of a society.

Patriarchy is the system we see most often today. It is so common, we as a race generally consider it the standard for all time and all places. In truth, all agricultural societies began as matriarchial. Archeological evidence of this goes back more than 25,000 years. In general, these matriarchial societies tended to be more peaceful, art-and-craft oriented, and more prosperous overall.

Thats interesting.Do you believe in lost civilizations?Like Mu,Lemuria,or Atlantis,etc.?

Doublepost

After Jefferson became president, he did not compromise his beliefs. As president, he refused to issue Thanksgiving proclamations, a fact that Justice Souter referred to in his concurring opinion with the majority in Lee vs. Weisman, the recent supreme-court decision that ruled prayers at graduation ceremonies unconstitutional. Early in his first presidential term, Jefferson declared his firm belief in the separation of church and state in a letter to the Danbury (Connecticut) Baptists "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should `make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and state."

Before sending the letter to Danbury, Jefferson asked his attorney general, Levi Lincoln, to review it. Jefferson told Lincoln that he considered the letter a means of "sowing useful truths and principles among the people, which might germinate and become rooted among their political tenets" (quoted by Rob Boston in "Myths and Mischief," Church and State, March 1992). If this was indeed Jefferson's wish, he certainly succeeded. Twice, in Reynolds vs. the United States (1879) and Everson vs. Board of Education (1947), the Supreme Court cited Jefferson's letter as "an authoritative declaration of the scope of the [First] Amendment" and agreed that the intention of the First Amendment was "to erect `a wall of separation between church and state.'"

Confronted with evidence like this, some fundamentalists will admit that Thomas Jefferson was not a Bible-believer but will insist that most of the other "founding fathers"--men like Washington, Madison, and Franklin--were Christians whose intention during the formative years of our country was to establish a "Christian nation." Again, however, history does not support their claim.

So MS, who is taking what out of context exactly? These are modern day decisions made by the Supreme Court based on that pesky little First Amendment.

No. But feel free to tell us about them. Archeologists tend to believe that the lost city of Atlantis may have in fact been Crete and the Minoan Empire. What is your theory?

I agree with you Krimsa (in a way)about your postings on the founding of this nation.

There has NEVER been a christian nation on Earth.

There will be (at some point in the future)when the chosen One is revealed.


According to numerous ancient prophecies that is.

Dont have one.

How did these societies become so much more advanced than other societies of their times?What was their level of technology and literacy?

Why bring it up then? Start a new thread, this one had already gone from abortion to Founding Fathers and US history. The OP will be pissed if she ever returns.

We discussed all of this via private message. The Kurgans, remember? Their only real competition during that particular time period would have been the nomadic bands that eventually invaded and introduced their own customs.

Since we've discussed nearly every topic in this thread, let's change it too why ice cream now comes in 1.5 quart sizes for the same price as when it was in 1.75 quart sizes.

Funny you mention that. One of the scariest things (there are many disturbing facets) to me is the idea that Jesus will return one day. This infatuation with biblical prophecy and this notion that Jesus is going to come back as an avenging savior to kill all the bad people

But ya know, based on the track record for other "prophecies" to reach fruition in the scripture, its probably a concern not based in any logical determination.