Watching the history channel, what do you guys think of this.

Not sure I put too much stock in it. I always take that kind of stuff with a grain of salt. I guess mostly I ask, if the Bible is our life manual...which I believe it is, then why would God want to make it so complicated and difficult to figure out? Hope this answers your question!

gematria. i think people look too much into it. a compelling concept though.

moreless i think stuff like this is rather interesting, ideas inside the bible itself that prove prophecy, yet make the future being un folded by man impossible, quite interesting if you believe in God

I do agree that it is intriguing...I watch that stuff sometimes too...

its just realizing to me all that the world has to offer, and theres still stuff we wont see in this lifetime you know?

To me this only proves, that there is much much more to the Word of God, than man can even fanthom.

After All, God IS the Word.


Awesome God....

I can only agree Morning =)

Think of what?

Bible Codes =), Codes using a matrix (stats) that uncovers events and people relating certain events... hitler Kennedy 9/11 ect.. Do a quick google, quite interesting

A Google search on "bible codes" produces a myriad of website all having different claims to things being encoded in the Bible.

Personally I think is silly, and the reason is quite simple. Men can't even agree on what the Bible says straight out, they sure as hell aren't going to agree on what might be encoded within the text.

Also, "Which Bible" is another good question. The idea that things are encoded in Bibles that have been translated and transcribed seems even more ludicious since any "codes" would clearly have been lost in the translations.

I think it's wishful thinking on the part of religious people to try to make something out of nothing.

I was just thinking tonight how a religion like Wicca is so much more straight-forward.

In Wicca there is basically one rule - "Harm no one". Period. What more needs to be said?

This is the kind of message we should expect from an all-wise being. Everything boiled down to three little words.

This idea that we need a complicated book to teach us morals is ridiculous.

"Harm no one", says it all.

All the little petty things that the Bible tries to make people feel guilty about is truly ridiculous.

How can anyone truly believe that the creator of this universe would be so petty?

Seriously, I can't understand that mindset at all. It truly doesn't give God any repsect for being wise whatsoever.

"Harm no one", including yourself.

What more does a person need to know than that?

For any of it to be true you would have to go back to the Paleo Hebrew which is what was used before Yahshua. Transcribing using a different typre language even though it may be Hebrew would alter what would possibly be thier. They find what they want to find. They did a study using the same program with the book Moby **** and came up with all sorts of past events also. Was it inspired?

would this mean then that before the words were set down and it was just being taught by word of mouth that these codes existed?

Truly.

Who are these so-called 'code breakers' and what was there motivation?

Theologians can't even agree on how to break the 'code' of the standard text.

I think they'd need to do that before they pretend to go any deeper.

All I can say is in that "Last Supper" painting. John or whoever its supposed to be looks awful effeminate. The one with the red hair ( who looks exactly how Mary Magdelene is depicted in other paintings) seated to the left of Jesus.

http://www.mostmerciful.com/last-supper-in-cols.jpg

Those guys were "Hand Talkers."

Try this!

Take ANY book. Put the sentence structure of that book in a matrix. Decide on a point in history.

Suprise.... It will say something about that point in history. Amazing coink-e-dink?

Perhaps. Or perhaps god is in all books?

What a thought!

There are math courses on this. The mathematics of 'coincidences'.

Once you understand the math, these so-called 'coded message' are easily explained away.

In order for a message to truly be recognized as having been encoded, it would need to be decoded into a seriously worded paragraph, not mere 'data facts' that can be fitted into another scenario.

And the reason is precisely what AB suggests. You can do that with ANY BOOK!

In fact, people do it with individuals and their histories.

There is a famous correlation between the lives of Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters <-- a lot of names are 7-letters long.

Both Presidents were assassinated on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head.

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.
Both presidents were replaced by a man named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.
Both assassins were known by their three names. <-- (not really) They only became known by their three names after they assassinated the presidents.
Lincoln was shot at the theatre named 'Kennedy'.
Kennedy was shot in a car called 'Lincoln'.
Booth ran from the theatre and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theatre.

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was in Marilyn Monroe.

That last one is a bit of a stretch.

However, mathematically these seemingly ‘overwhelming’ coincidences, aren’t mathematically overwhelming at all. Considering how much detailed information is known about both of these presidents it’s not surprising that this list of so-called ‘coincidences’ could be derived. The two men actually had far more things about them that didn’t even come close to agreeing.

Mathematicians have actually created comparisons of other famous people and have shown that a striking and convincing list of similarities are able to be constructed between any two people (especially if you know a lot about them). The more you know, the better chance you’ll have of creating a list of so-called ‘coincidences’. But mathematically they aren’t surprising at all. In fact, mathematically speaking it would be astonishing if you couldn’t come up with a long list of coincidences between any two human beings. And when you toss out all the things they didn’t have in common that list of supposed ‘coincidences’ will look quite impressive.

What does this have to do with bible codes?

Well, not only do they need to decipher a supposed ‘code’, but then they have to match it up with a historical event. And that’s really nothing more than looking for ‘coincidences’. You can almost always find some coincidence in a catastrophic event to match it up with almost ‘piece of data’.

This is why any ‘coded messages’ found in the Bible (or anywhere else) would only be impressive if they consisted of a detailed account that is so crystal clear in what it is saying that there isn’t any room for doubt.

Otherwise, it’s nothing more than hopeful speculation.

The last supper painting was done centuries later. The Bible account has them laying like on couches. They were not at a table all looking out.. Blessings...Miles

Well either way, Im just saying, John looks a little sexually ambiguous to me. The whens or whos are incidental. I only mentioned it on this thread because I think they discussed that idea a little in that Da Vinci Code though Im uncertain. I never read that book or watched the film.

Yea he does. But how could Divinci of know how to paint the picture. He definately got it wrong them sitting. He had an agenda and we look at this old painting to us and see things that seem to be but does not hold water. The who thing they used it to make money. A mystery they could care less about the way it was they want that cold hard cash and that inspires them Shalom...Miles