Topic: Don't believe that OBAMA will raise your taxes!
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Mon 10/06/08 07:51 PM





Yep, the republicans "no tax and spend anyway" has worked out great.


No tax? So then who is stealing 30% of my income?


They didn't raise taxes to obtain monies for the Stimulus checks. They borrowed it from China and other countries instead.

That means "no tax and spend anyway" to me.




Well having 30% of my income taken by the government = tax.


It wasn't raised to do that spending. And with that and the bail out, we have debts to pay. Taxes will be raised to pay that off.grumble
flowerforyou

Chazster's photo
Mon 10/06/08 07:51 PM





it doesn't matter who get's elected

taxes will be raised to pay off some of this 10 trillion debt that Bush has made


Yes it was all Bush, the House and Senate didn't approve anything. The three branch system is a conspiracy. We are really living under a dictatorship.


You are %100 right..Out of the last 14 yrs republicans have controlled congress 12 yrs..


And that has nothing to do with Bush. Repubs had the senate when Clinton was president too. The Dems have had it now and no improvement. In fact gas prices spiked after they took over.
I'm sorry man the problems we face today go back further than 1 1/2 years come on..The housing bust, the lost jobs, the economy and the energy crisis was caused by the last 1 1/2 yrs..I don't think so...


And some of those problems go back further than the Bush admin. My whole point being the pres doesnt have that much power. The Housing bust isnt the governments faults. Its peoples and banks.

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Mon 10/06/08 07:52 PM



Isnt obamas tax plan the one that will tax the rich higher and give a tax break to working families? How could anyone be against that?


Uh people that dont think that just because you are successful means you should pay a higher percentage.

I support flat tax thank you.


Flat tax is a great idea. Cheers to that drinker

Oh, i got an idea, why don't we pull our troops out of everywhere, use them to secure our borders, do away with homeland security (cuz hey our military is back), and stop giving tax breaks to companies that outsource. Lets see....that alone just saved us over a trillion dollars a year... What should we do with that??? (Would be nice to pay off the deficit huh?) Then we could start backing our dollar again and watch its value grow (federal reserve has got to go, or at least be audited). That would save our economy (eventually), our medical crisis, and our fuel crisis...


Obama wants to stop giving tax breaks to companies that outsource.

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Mon 10/06/08 07:53 PM






it doesn't matter who get's elected

taxes will be raised to pay off some of this 10 trillion debt that Bush has made


Yes it was all Bush, the House and Senate didn't approve anything. The three branch system is a conspiracy. We are really living under a dictatorship.


You are %100 right..Out of the last 14 yrs republicans have controlled congress 12 yrs..


And that has nothing to do with Bush. Repubs had the senate when Clinton was president too. The Dems have had it now and no improvement. In fact gas prices spiked after they took over.
I'm sorry man the problems we face today go back further than 1 1/2 years come on..The housing bust, the lost jobs, the economy and the energy crisis was caused by the last 1 1/2 yrs..I don't think so...


And some of those problems go back further than the Bush admin. My whole point being the pres doesnt have that much power. The Housing bust isnt the governments faults. Its peoples and banks.
Like I said 12 out 14 years of rep controlled congress..See my point?

Chazster's photo
Mon 10/06/08 07:53 PM






Yep, the republicans "no tax and spend anyway" has worked out great.


No tax? So then who is stealing 30% of my income?


They didn't raise taxes to obtain monies for the Stimulus checks. They borrowed it from China and other countries instead.

That means "no tax and spend anyway" to me.




Well having 30% of my income taken by the government = tax.


It wasn't raised to do that spending. And with that and the bail out, we have debts to pay. Taxes will be raised to pay that off.grumble
flowerforyou


Didnt the bail out bill fail to be passed? You can cut spending in stead of raise taxes. Thats like saying "I cant pay my bills unless I get a raise." When all you have to do is quit buying "nonessential things"

You know if you had a flat tax you wouldnt need the IRS. There is a lot of money saved right there.

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Mon 10/06/08 07:57 PM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 10/06/08 07:58 PM







Yep, the republicans "no tax and spend anyway" has worked out great.


No tax? So then who is stealing 30% of my income?


They didn't raise taxes to obtain monies for the Stimulus checks. They borrowed it from China and other countries instead.

That means "no tax and spend anyway" to me.




Well having 30% of my income taken by the government = tax.


It wasn't raised to do that spending. And with that and the bail out, we have debts to pay. Taxes will be raised to pay that off.grumble
flowerforyou


Didnt the bail out bill fail to be passed? You can cut spending in stead of raise taxes. Thats like saying "I cant pay my bills unless I get a raise." When all you have to do is quit buying "nonessential things"

You know if you had a flat tax you wouldnt need the IRS. There is a lot of money saved right there.
The bail out passed. Where have you been..It was laced with pork to sway the rep vote..I guess the dems arnt the only ones who like a barbeque

Chazster's photo
Mon 10/06/08 07:57 PM







it doesn't matter who get's elected

taxes will be raised to pay off some of this 10 trillion debt that Bush has made


Yes it was all Bush, the House and Senate didn't approve anything. The three branch system is a conspiracy. We are really living under a dictatorship.


You are %100 right..Out of the last 14 yrs republicans have controlled congress 12 yrs..


And that has nothing to do with Bush. Repubs had the senate when Clinton was president too. The Dems have had it now and no improvement. In fact gas prices spiked after they took over.
I'm sorry man the problems we face today go back further than 1 1/2 years come on..The housing bust, the lost jobs, the economy and the energy crisis was caused by the last 1 1/2 yrs..I don't think so...


And some of those problems go back further than the Bush admin. My whole point being the pres doesnt have that much power. The Housing bust isnt the governments faults. Its peoples and banks.
Like I said 12 out 14 years of rep controlled congress..See my point?


OMG your right!!! And internet use in the home became common place in 1996!! Thats 12 years ago. It must be connected!

Apparently you never heard the expression "just because A came before B doesnt mean A caused B."

Winx's photo
Mon 10/06/08 07:58 PM






Yep, the republicans "no tax and spend anyway" has worked out great.


No tax? So then who is stealing 30% of my income?


They didn't raise taxes to obtain monies for the Stimulus checks. They borrowed it from China and other countries instead.

That means "no tax and spend anyway" to me.




Well having 30% of my income taken by the government = tax.


It wasn't raised to do that spending. And with that and the bail out, we have debts to pay. Taxes will be raised to pay that off.grumble
flowerforyou


:smile: flowerforyou

Chazster's photo
Mon 10/06/08 07:59 PM








Yep, the republicans "no tax and spend anyway" has worked out great.


No tax? So then who is stealing 30% of my income?


They didn't raise taxes to obtain monies for the Stimulus checks. They borrowed it from China and other countries instead.

That means "no tax and spend anyway" to me.




Well having 30% of my income taken by the government = tax.


It wasn't raised to do that spending. And with that and the bail out, we have debts to pay. Taxes will be raised to pay that off.grumble
flowerforyou


Didnt the bail out bill fail to be passed? You can cut spending in stead of raise taxes. Thats like saying "I cant pay my bills unless I get a raise." When all you have to do is quit buying "nonessential things"

You know if you had a flat tax you wouldnt need the IRS. There is a lot of money saved right there.
The bail out passed. Where have you been..It was laced with pork to sway the rep vote..I guess the dems arnt the only ones who like a barbeque


Well it failed at the end of sept. Then I was busy with work, preparing for a martial arts tournament, and chasing girls. Sorry I have other priorities.

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Mon 10/06/08 08:01 PM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 10/06/08 08:03 PM








it doesn't matter who get's elected

taxes will be raised to pay off some of this 10 trillion debt that Bush has made


Yes it was all Bush, the House and Senate didn't approve anything. The three branch system is a conspiracy. We are really living under a dictatorship.


You are %100 right..Out of the last 14 yrs republicans have controlled congress 12 yrs..


And that has nothing to do with Bush. Repubs had the senate when Clinton was president too. The Dems have had it now and no improvement. In fact gas prices spiked after they took over.
I'm sorry man the problems we face today go back further than 1 1/2 years come on..The housing bust, the lost jobs, the economy and the energy crisis was caused by the last 1 1/2 yrs..I don't think so...


And some of those problems go back further than the Bush admin. My whole point being the pres doesnt have that much power. The Housing bust isnt the governments faults. Its peoples and banks.
Like I said 12 out 14 years of rep controlled congress..See my point?


OMG your right!!! And internet use in the home became common place in 1996!! Thats 12 years ago. It must be connected!

Apparently you never heard the expression "just because A came before B doesnt mean A caused B."
A is a puppet unless you control B and C...

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Mon 10/06/08 08:04 PM

Who has controlled Congress for most of the past 7 1/2 years?

Answer: Republicans

They are primarily responsible for the economic mess this country is in now.



where have you been?

in the south pacific getting a tan for most of your adult life?

Everyone knows that legisation passed is always started and triggered , for the most part, after a Presidenrt is out of the Oval Office.

Things move slowly in government and the new laws and policy directives take time to implememt. The infrastructure to manage has to be built in forst.

Same thing right now with the bailout. It won't reach full steam for years. It is an incremental bailout.

Every mess of the last 8 years is due very heavily to Clintonomic mach9inations and legislation done in a frenzy near the end of his second term.

He knew full well what it would mean for the next President to deal with.

They all do it.

It is the way things work.

always has been.

That is why FDR was the impetus for term limits.

He was making too many problems for future generations and he had to be stopped.

History is not a liberal longsuit.

Libs prefer being empty suits.

have some more KOOL AID>drinks


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Mon 10/06/08 08:06 PM




Isnt obamas tax plan the one that will tax the rich higher and give a tax break to working families? How could anyone be against that?


Uh people that dont think that just because you are successful means you should pay a higher percentage.

I support flat tax thank you.


Flat tax is a great idea. Cheers to that drinker

Oh, i got an idea, why don't we pull our troops out of everywhere, use them to secure our borders, do away with homeland security (cuz hey our military is back), and stop giving tax breaks to companies that outsource. Lets see....that alone just saved us over a trillion dollars a year... What should we do with that??? (Would be nice to pay off the deficit huh?) Then we could start backing our dollar again and watch its value grow (federal reserve has got to go, or at least be audited). That would save our economy (eventually), our medical crisis, and our fuel crisis...


Obama wants to stop giving tax breaks to companies that outsource.


I know flowerforyou One of the reasons i wanted to like him. Unfortunately he negated that by a largely increased government spending (Even beyond Clintons and Bushs). This kinda more than offsets that, especially due to our inflation tax. Increased deficit and increased printing of unsound money, while giving people tax breaks? Wow. Spells trouble for our children... Not interested in the "lesser evil" as it still "evil"

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 10/06/08 08:08 PM








it doesn't matter who get's elected

taxes will be raised to pay off some of this 10 trillion debt that Bush has made


Yes it was all Bush, the House and Senate didn't approve anything. The three branch system is a conspiracy. We are really living under a dictatorship.


You are %100 right..Out of the last 14 yrs republicans have controlled congress 12 yrs..


And that has nothing to do with Bush. Repubs had the senate when Clinton was president too. The Dems have had it now and no improvement. In fact gas prices spiked after they took over.
I'm sorry man the problems we face today go back further than 1 1/2 years come on..The housing bust, the lost jobs, the economy and the energy crisis was caused by the last 1 1/2 yrs..I don't think so...


And some of those problems go back further than the Bush admin. My whole point being the pres doesnt have that much power. The Housing bust isnt the governments faults. Its peoples and banks.
Like I said 12 out 14 years of rep controlled congress..See my point?


OMG your right!!! And internet use in the home became common place in 1996!! Thats 12 years ago. It must be connected!

Apparently you never heard the expression "just because A came before B doesnt mean A caused B."


They call that a False Cause Fallacy...

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 10/06/08 08:09 PM









it doesn't matter who get's elected

taxes will be raised to pay off some of this 10 trillion debt that Bush has made


Yes it was all Bush, the House and Senate didn't approve anything. The three branch system is a conspiracy. We are really living under a dictatorship.


You are %100 right..Out of the last 14 yrs republicans have controlled congress 12 yrs..


And that has nothing to do with Bush. Repubs had the senate when Clinton was president too. The Dems have had it now and no improvement. In fact gas prices spiked after they took over.
I'm sorry man the problems we face today go back further than 1 1/2 years come on..The housing bust, the lost jobs, the economy and the energy crisis was caused by the last 1 1/2 yrs..I don't think so...


And some of those problems go back further than the Bush admin. My whole point being the pres doesnt have that much power. The Housing bust isnt the governments faults. Its peoples and banks.
Like I said 12 out 14 years of rep controlled congress..See my point?


OMG your right!!! And internet use in the home became common place in 1996!! Thats 12 years ago. It must be connected!

Apparently you never heard the expression "just because A came before B doesnt mean A caused B."
A is a puppet unless you control B and C...


True.... what if A, B and C are all puppets?

wouldee's photo
Mon 10/06/08 09:59 PM
California is just like the whole country.

excet for no Federal REeserve Bank to lean on for free lunches.

this little note I got says it all:wink:

remember, as goes California, so goes the nation.

This is how it gets played when borrowing can't happen, and when the democrats run things.

sound like the last two years in Congress?

over look tyhat little nuance about withholding. It almost happened by arnie ratted them out:wink:




i have been out of work for a few months. 0 income and i still pay all my rent so i could care less about your griping ohh no rent subsidies. 1400 paid last week no government hand out not even help from my imaginary girl friend..

now the state legislators have to write a budget, the budget has to be approved by 2/3 of these people. the democrats control almost 2/3 of the legislature.

the democrats stopped working on the budget to go to a convention.

the democrats thought they could cover part of the state shortfall by increasing the income withholding but not increase the tax. so next year's budget they would have to find the money to pay back the extra withholdings that they collected. Arnie had to veto it.

simple thing politicians don't seem to get, if you have less money coming in than what you are accustomed to you need to cut back. Friday night at Le Fondue gets replaced with friday at Outback. but they don't want to cut back they want to keep spending like there is no tomorrow.

Elect McCain and maybe he will tap our governor for a cabinet position and you can have a democrat running the state again.

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Mon 10/06/08 10:26 PM


Who has controlled Congress for most of the past 7 1/2 years?

Answer: Republicans

They are primarily responsible for the economic mess this country is in now.
You can go back 6 more years of rep control..


This is correct. We have had a Republican congress for a long long time. This was the reason that the stupidest most costly investigation was allowed into the legal sexual exploits of the sitting president.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 10/06/08 10:32 PM
Sadly, the Republican platform of lesser taxes is bogus. There are other ways of getting the money out of us besides the obvious taxes. Can you think of ways the government gets money out of us besides the obvious taxes we know about? Well the republicans do, if you don't.

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Mon 10/06/08 11:37 PM

Weel, feel comfortable that the days of additional regulation are going to be back...regulated health care, regulated banking, regulated income..and anything else the govt can regulate. Heck, the dems will p;robably try to regulate our sex lives, although, in my case, they won't have much to regulategrumble grumble laugh


Well since deregulation began with Carter, you guys should be happy they're finally going to reverse some of that.

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Tue 10/07/08 02:35 AM

Please check this out on snopes before you make anymorre accusations about the failed system which was actually created by Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton!!!!!!

Copy and paste this link for the article authorization.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/easescredit.asp

Please educate yourselves my friends.




We all know that too. Thanks for sharing. It's been posted here so many times but the same few posters keep posting over & over thier own spin. It drowns out the few who post the facts.


Quikstepper's photo
Tue 10/07/08 02:36 AM

Who has controlled Congress for most of the past 7 1/2 years?

Answer: Republicans

They are primarily responsible for the economic mess this country is in now.


Who had to be bought off for votes...DEMS.