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d3vi1d06's photo
Sat 10/04/08 06:16 AM
now lets hear some blasphemy

ljcc1964's photo
Sat 10/04/08 06:18 AM
why?

d3vi1d06's photo
Sat 10/04/08 06:23 AM
well satanism is a religion. i like to argue

ljcc1964's photo
Sat 10/04/08 06:52 AM
Ok....good luck with that.

Krimsa's photo
Sat 10/04/08 09:02 AM
I posted this on another thread just recently but you might find it interesting. If you are looking for perhaps a possible explanation for the origin of Satan (at least his physical description). The Pagan "horned god".

Horned gods, with horns or antlers, appear in various cultures. The "Horned God" is a modern term for a syncretic god of late antiquity, the merging of Cernunnos, a horned god of the Celts, with the Greco-Roman Pan. This combination of gods produced a powerful deity, around which the pagani, those refusing to convert to Christianity, rallied.This deity provided the prototype for later Christian conceptions of the devil, and his worshippers were cast by the Church as witches. In Wicca, the Horned God and his counterpart the Triple Goddess are the main gods worshiped.

The "Horned God" is still worshipped by some modern Neopagans, particularly Wiccans, who have linked him with a wide variety of male nature gods from various mythologies, including the English Herne the Hunter, the Egyptian Ammon, the Hindu Pashupati and the Roman Faunus. All of these male deities are seen as having horns and an association with nature. A number of figures from British folklore, though normally depicted without horns, are nonetheless considered related: Puck, Robin Goodfellow and the Green Man.

The syncretic figure of a Horned God, central to a cult of witches, was first suggested by Jules Michelet in La Sorcière (1862); these ideas were expanded by Margaret Murray, in The Witch-cult in Western Europe (1921). Since then important aspects of Murray's thesis have been discredited, and the idea of a highly organised pagan underground resistance persisting into the early modern period is widely regarded as a fantasy. Despite widespread condemnation of her scholarship, certain intuitions of hers are now considered correct,and most witchcraft historians agree that beliefs and practices originating in paganism survived into the Early Modern Age, and that the conflict between these beliefs and Christianity helped precipitate the European witch-hunts.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:29 PM
flowerforyou If the Draco Queen got in a fight with Satan, I wonder who would win?huh

Krimsa's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:30 PM
laugh laugh laugh Be good Mirror Mirror

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:31 PM

I posted this on another thread just recently but you might find it interesting. If you are looking for perhaps a possible explanation for the origin of Satan (at least his physical description). The Pagan "horned god".

Horned gods, with horns or antlers, appear in various cultures. The "Horned God" is a modern term for a syncretic god of late antiquity, the merging of Cernunnos, a horned god of the Celts, with the Greco-Roman Pan. This combination of gods produced a powerful deity, around which the pagani, those refusing to convert to Christianity, rallied.This deity provided the prototype for later Christian conceptions of the devil, and his worshippers were cast by the Church as witches. In Wicca, the Horned God and his counterpart the Triple Goddess are the main gods worshiped.

The "Horned God" is still worshipped by some modern Neopagans, particularly Wiccans, who have linked him with a wide variety of male nature gods from various mythologies, including the English Herne the Hunter, the Egyptian Ammon, the Hindu Pashupati and the Roman Faunus. All of these male deities are seen as having horns and an association with nature. A number of figures from British folklore, though normally depicted without horns, are nonetheless considered related: Puck, Robin Goodfellow and the Green Man.

The syncretic figure of a Horned God, central to a cult of witches, was first suggested by Jules Michelet in La Sorcière (1862); these ideas were expanded by Margaret Murray, in The Witch-cult in Western Europe (1921). Since then important aspects of Murray's thesis have been discredited, and the idea of a highly organised pagan underground resistance persisting into the early modern period is widely regarded as a fantasy. Despite widespread condemnation of her scholarship, certain intuitions of hers are now considered correct,and most witchcraft historians agree that beliefs and practices originating in paganism survived into the Early Modern Age, and that the conflict between these beliefs and Christianity helped precipitate the European witch-hunts.
:smile: The horns (on any deity/spirit)symbolize "ancientness".:smile:

SkyHook5652's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:59 PM
:smile: The horns (on any deity/spirit)symbolize "ancientness".:smile:
I thought it just meant they wasn't getin' any. :tongue:

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:05 PM

:smile: The horns (on any deity/spirit)symbolize "ancientness".:smile:
I thought it just meant they wasn't getin' any. :tongue:
laugh Thats probably what it means nowadayslaugh In the ancient past it was used to symbolize "a being of great age".flowerforyou

Krimsa's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:27 PM


:smile: The horns (on any deity/spirit)symbolize "ancientness".:smile:
I thought it just meant they wasn't getin' any. :tongue:
laugh Thats probably what it means nowadayslaugh In the ancient past it was used to symbolize "a being of great age".flowerforyou


Well of course, it takes many years to grow some horns! :tongue: Pan was supposed to be sexually mischievous though.

SkyHook5652's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:29 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Sun 10/05/08 07:35 PM
:smile: The horns (on any deity/spirit)symbolize "ancientness".:smile:
I thought it just meant they wasn't getin' any. :tongue:
laugh Thats probably what it means nowadayslaugh In the ancient past it was used to symbolize "a being of great age".flowerforyou
Any idea why that particular association? Horns with age? Those kinds of things are usually not completely arbitrary. There's almost always some reasoning behind them.

[edit: Looks like Krimsa answered the question while I was composing it. Thanks K. flowerforyou]

Krimsa's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:32 PM
If thats indeed the case, I would guess its because animals that have horns like deers with racks and rams with horns. This requires years for them to grow so maybe its just the comparison to the animal.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:35 PM

If thats indeed the case, I would guess its because animals that have horns like deers with racks and rams with horns. This requires years for them to grow so maybe its just the comparison to the animal.
happy exactlyhappy

Lord_Psycho's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:36 PM
Pray for me Lord psycho!!! Im the only GOD!!! that exits!! LOL

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:37 PM

:smile: The horns (on any deity/spirit)symbolize "ancientness".:smile:
I thought it just meant they wasn't getin' any. :tongue:
laugh Thats probably what it means nowadayslaugh In the ancient past it was used to symbolize "a being of great age".flowerforyou
Any idea why that particular association? Horns with age? Those kinds of things are usually not completely arbitrary. There's almost always some reasoning behind them.

[edit: Looks like Krimsa answered the question while I was composing it. Thanks K. flowerforyou]
:smile: In a cultural transition, the gods of the older overthrown religions usually become the devils of the newer incoming religions.:smile:

d3vi1d06's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:37 PM
well in that case. with god being older than lucifer, would it be safe to asume god has bigger horns?

SkyHook5652's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:39 PM
If thats indeed the case, I would guess its because animals that have horns like deers with racks and rams with horns. This requires years for them to grow so maybe its just the comparison to the animal.
Actually, deer antlers fall off and are regrown every year.

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Sun 10/05/08 07:42 PM
I've read all of Anton LaVey's books, and Blanche Barton's biography of him.


(For those of you who may not know, Anton LaVey founded The Church of Satan on April 30, 1966 [Walpurgisnacht])

Krimsa's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:43 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Sun 10/05/08 07:46 PM
I know that Sky! But Im telling you it takes a LONG period of time for a buck to grow those 12 point racks. A friend of mind hunts and he sells those. Well a year anyway. I know they dont always grow that large and it depends how much calcium the deer has in its diet.

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