What are your thoughts on this?

I keep seeing all these commercials since Obama has been promoting this clean coal technology, saying coal is the answer for our energy problems.

My power bill keeps going up, because we are competing with China for coal. While China is buying all the coal they can get their hands on, Energy companies, like TVA for example, are paying higher prices for coal, thus raising the rates for the middle man buying the power, EPB in my case, which is causing the consumer like myself to keep shelling out for higher power bills every month!

Obama doesn't promise a decrease in taxes for the lower class ( making less than $250,000 a year), he just says there won't be an increase. What's going to compensate for all this other stuff increasing? There's not going to be more money in our pockets! Only less! This coal business is same thing that happened with the oil business!

clean coal doesn't exist yet

there are a couple of pilot projects going on across the country experimenting with ways to sequester the CO2 from the coal emissions. Mostly they are using it to pump down oil wells. CO2 flood is a pretty established technology for enhanced petroleum production

ALL of these promoted renewable fuel technologies don't actually exist yet

but we're getting there

google T Boone Pickens and the wind farm he is building (with mostly his own money) between Lubbock and Amarillo

But you don't see how that can turn out to be just like the gas prices?

gas and petroleum and the internal combustion engine are 20th century outdated technology

we are on the cusp of the next wave of energy technology and still trying to hang on to the old wave

any form of energy we come up with is bound to be regulated and distributed according to free market principles, it's the American Way. So yeah they are all gonna behave just like gas prices

Hi Quiet_2008,

Your previous post was informative. But you use the words, "regulation" and "free market principles" in the same breath; can you clarify? Also, much as I like the sound of it, what makes you think that we are truly at the cusp of the next wave of energy technology? Which development are you thinking of? And hey, thanks for taking the time to respond--your previous posts were helpful.

Regards,
GBS

So what do people think of Al Gore calling people to civil disobediance on clean coal? That makes no sense but it does represent what many DEMS think. So where is OBAMA going with this again? It sounds like more talk & no walk to me.


BTW...they are also calling for fuel shale... I'm not too keen on going nuclear energy. Any thoughts?

I agree with this...it needs to be taken away from the big oil cos & energy cos. or else it needs to be regulated so we aren't getting charged the high prices.

This whole global economy is the real problem we have to break through. We're being forced to suffer thru what we didn't want & didn't ask for. I heard some economist say that to bet against America is lose lose. If the big cos. got out of our way there would be plenty of innovations & plenty of work & a real boon this economy needs. I can feel americans just biting at the bit for it.

As Tony Robbins would say... release the power within.

There is no such thing as clean coal! Just thge energy expended to obtain, mine, deliver, refine/crush, is huge. And then to think that by filtering the stack polutants and spending more energy to dispose of them makes it O.K. is insanity. We have a energy source that will provide enough energy for all of the worlds needs until the end of time! It is called solar. Unfortunatly , too many people are addicted to the idea that they have the right to seek instant physical gratification for there wants, instead of living only on what they need. OUR ONLY NEEDS AS HUMAN BEINGS ARE THESE: FOOD/NOURISHMENT and SHELTER FROM THE HARSH ELEMENTS. If you are doing anything that is using fossil fuel energy to obtain more than you need, you are just as guilty as anyone one else in the act of destroying the world through the burning of fossil fuels. Get off of your self rightious train and get into reality. If we all quit abusing fossil fuels, the flow of wealth to only the few at the top of pyramid will stop very quickly. I'm resonably sure that writing this was a waste of time, as we have been here before. However, maybe someone with a little bit of power and influence in the world wil pick up on this and strap on a value system that cares as much about others as they do themselves. Have a good life, whats left of it!

And furthermore. LYING IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST ! bunch'a dummies!

Spoken like a true off the wall lib...

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about...if it wasn't for the environmental wackos that killed off the best in our industrial industries in america many people would still be working & minorities would be advancing as well. Without stepping on anyone's toes either.

LIB wackos that want to deprive Americans of real wealth & a self sustaining opportunities.

SHAME! SHAME!

From factcheck.org

McCain in Debate #1: "I have voted for alternate fuel all of my time."

But McCain's record says differently. As we say above, he has voted against funding for alternative energy on 11 occasions. He may be in favor of alternative energy in theory, but he has declined opportunities to support it.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html

Oh and you think OBAMA will actually do anything? Or the DEMS? They haven't yet!

The DEMS won't even pass this economic bill without the REPS. They have no backbone to put their money where their mouthes are. They just have to have someone else to blame. Don't they?


BTW...many of these bills probly don't get passed because things that are added or deleted in the process. We really have to be more vigilant in those details. Sad...really sad.

Did you hear this one? DEMS wants this economic bill to pay for low income housing???? That's outrageous! God only knows what else is going to be in there.

The Obama-Biden comprehensive New Energy for America plan will:

* Provide short-term relief to American families facing pain at the pump
* Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.
* Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined.
* Put 1 million Plug-In Hybrid cars -- cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon -- on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America.
* Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025.
* Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy

What's McCain's plan on alternative energy?

I'm sorry, but I'm confused. Are you for more fossil fuel energy? Or, are you for puting "chicken in every pot" plan into effect to build the infrastructure needed to bring the money back to America, and the flow it out of it out of America and into the heads of foriegn (middle east mostly) nations?

"* Provide short-term relief to American families facing pain at the pump"

How about Obama's plaqn to raise gasoline taxes? What a "relief" that will be/

"* Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined."

the only way to conserve that musch is by a major slowdown in economic growth. To reduce our demand by that much, all we have to do is drive 70% less, and turn off the heat in our houses 70% of the time.

I suppose that if the gov't doesn't fix the current crisis(which results from regulations enacted during the Clinton administration in 1994) then our energy use will decrease by Obama's prediction. Now, do you see how he plans to get it done?

Why liberals hate America and wish for its downfall is beyond me.

unfortunatly most liberals do not really care about much of anything except sex! They realize that as they get older, in order to keep having sex with younger good looking people they need lots of money. Suggested reading on this subject: Power and Greed, by Gigantes

perhaps it is his opposition to the gas tax holiday
supported by McCain and Clinton

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/05/06/gas_tax/print.html

oh and here is a link to the prescient article on
Fannie and Freddy de-regulation dating back to the Clinton era...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080925/bs_ibd_ibd/20080925general01

Imo, opposition to the phony, election driven "gas tax holiday" does not equate to any "Obama plan to raise gasoline taxes."

As for the second link, it is pretty damning evidence that congressional Democrats loosened Fanny/Freddy regulations and contributed to the current crisis.