http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies



The link above has some of what Martin Luthers Theology was. Do a search on the internet it will open your eyes.. Search for.... Martin Luther The lie of the Jews.



On the Jews and Their Lies (German: Von den Jüden und iren Lügen; in modern spelling Von den Juden und ihren Lügen) is a 65,000-word treatise written by German Reformation leader Martin Luther in 1543.

In the treatise, Luther writes that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."[1] Luther wrote that they are "full of the devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine,"[2] and the synagogue is an "incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..."[3] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[4] afforded no legal protection,[5] and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[6] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them."[7]

The prevailing scholarly view[8] since the Second World War is that the treatise exercised a major and persistent influence on Germany's attitude toward its Jewish citizens in the centuries between the Reformation and the Holocaust. Four hundred years after it was written, the National Socialists displayed On the Jews and Their Lies during Nuremberg rallies, and the city of Nuremberg presented a first edition to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer, the newspaper describing it as the most radically antisemitic tract ever published.[9] Against this view, theologian Johannes Wallmann writes that the treatise had no continuity of influence in Germany, and was in fact largely ignored during the 18th and 19th centuries.[10] Hans Hillerbrand argues that to focus on Luther's role in the development of German antisemitism is to underestimate the "larger peculiarities of German history."[11]

Since the 1980s, some Lutheran church bodies have formally denounced and dissociated themselves from Luther's writings on the Jews. In November 1998, on the 60th anniversary of Kristallnacht, the Lutheran Church of Bavaria issued a statement: "It is imperative for the Lutheran Church, which knows itself to be indebted to the work and tradition of Martin Luther, to take seriously also his anti-Jewish utterances, to acknowledge their theological function, and to reflect on their consequences. It has to distance itself from every [expression of] anti-Judaism in Lutheran theology."[12]

Contents [hide]
1 Evolution of his views
2 On the Jews and Their Lies
3 See also
4 Notes
5 Bibliography
6 External links

May Yahweh Forgive Them..Miles

Whats Sad is he is called the Great Reformists. The 1st to go against the Pope. This is a lie also as The Poor Men of Lyons 800'000 strong gave thier lives almost 400 years earlier for going agaainst the Pope and Having a Letter Sent To Him Telling Him To REPENT.

This went over real well with the Pope.

Yet the churches of today do not realise apperently how much Martin Luther has had Influence on thier Beliefs.

Do you really want to be known as a follower of Martin Luther and keep those Fire and Brimstone Beliefs.... That teach that those who do not believe are SCUM!!! Shalom..Miles

Could this be prophecy about Martin Luther and all those who would follow him and learn his teachings. Never questioning where these teachings come from?


2 Thess 2:5-12

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Master will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason Elohim will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
NKJV
Open Our Eyes Father.. Shalom..Miles

r we shying away from church history?

An idiot and his minions caused the holocaust... in Europe in the mid part of last century.

Other idiots and their minions have caused other genocides all over the world...and still are.

with/ and without some old book.

Hitler may have been a mad man - but he definitely read Luther's writings on this as well as others, he saw the Jew's as the cause of all that was wrong in the world and he acted upon it, but that does not mean that Luther was any less guilty of bringing these actions about in Hitlers time, he may not have gone berserk on the Jewish issue if luther's writings had not commented on what it does. Hitler was a purist as to Arian dominance which disclaimed all but the Germanic races, the intolerance and down right hate for the Jews was utmost in his mind and Luther's writings gave him the spiritual gumption to act upon his feelings towards them for sure. I personally don't think Holocaust would have been as extensive as it is seen to be if not for Luther's persuasion to rid the world of the jews, had he lived in Hitler's time, i believe they would have been the antichrist and false prophet in thire actions if nothing else.

what's also interesting is when you read Henry ford seniors, ramblings along these same lines - at bout [a little before] the same time Hitler was coming to his power, and believe me hitler took those things into consideration also, how much better that a contemporary of his time had feelings like this also. especially from the great USA.

For more on henry ford and this subject see::

google - www.corvalliscommunitypages.com/Americas/US/USNotOregon/fordhenryall.htm


you will also see how the nazi's jumped all over getting his writings into all the germans hands to get them to side with hitler on this matter.

also google >>henry fords book on the jewish problem<< for a deeper study if you care to.

most enlightening!!

Hitler layed out this plan in 1929 when the depression was so harsh in Germany. This is when his power for the Nazi party started yet he did not come to office untill 1933'

He has a plan for years how he was going to do all this. It is sad though the churches would not step up to the plate because they did not want to go against thier fathers writings(mans)Shalom..Miles

Yes, but things usually go into shaping and creating idiots and monsters. And we should try to figure out and understand those things in order to recognize what is going on in time to stop such idiots and monsters.

It is in understanding the forces that create these situations that we learn more about how the mind works, in both healthy and unhealthy ways.

Theoretically, it is to try to prevent such things from happening again. But I hate hearing people say that. Because the reality is that people who have a very good understanding of history will repeat the mistakes of history. They just go to great pains to find ways to say something is totally differnt. When, at the base level, it is no different at all.

While we now have more and more evidence that Hitler was also a very sick person, not just mentally, and that it affected his personality, we do know his hatred of jews developed very early and he most likely would have gotten his hands on any text that would support and reinforce his views.

As for the books of Luther having a strong influence on the German mindset, this would be very true. Just the same as the Puritanical mindset still shapes the U.S. and just like we see echos of Manifest Destiny raising its head every so often.

You can hear the echos of Nazi propaganda in the bits and pieces of the text quoted. I think it is a fair and valid concept that this book significanly shaped the Germanic mindest and helped lay the foundations that later lead to the Holocaust. It didn't do it by itself, but it was most probably a factor.

Sounded evidence I believe.
But to say Luther gave Hitler the idea and will to do it.

Is like saying that Micky Mouse caused the first
atom bomb to be made and dropped.

very good Insight Moondark.. Thank You

What I am trying to show mainly with this as we cn not go back and change history. We do it now. By knowing the scriptures and being able to see darkness mainly in the fold. The religions. He tells us what to look for and so many do not want to blow the dust off of thier instruction book and leard it. Then they will know when something does not add up. Then speak out against it. Hard thing to do but if you claim to be a believer then it will be no problem. And hopefully this will never happen ahgain. Yet it mey be much worse.. Blessings of Shalom..Miles

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Sorry if I came off that away. What I am saying this book was in circulation and even the 1st one was still had and given to Hitler.

It fit thier aganda and used it as propaganda.

A lot of peoples writings are used like that and the speaker will get up and say I want to give credit to this author. without his insight i would or coupd bnot of ever did whayt I dad.. say at a coooledge lecture,maybe.


This is a warning about when people are kept in the dark about writings and beiefs that go against their inner being.

We must have that shield of armour to fight off the enemy which will come fro within not from outside the body. Follow the scriptures not the man..Shalom..Miles

It depends on your definition of the word "church"

The leaders mainly of the Luthern religion. Which inturn would of had to do some explaining about what was going on

Yea, that is correct, Religion is the apprpiate word, the Church is the body of Christ, or, all who follow him!