I JUST STARTED READING THIS BOOK, DOWNLOADED FROM THE BIBLE SIGHT - ONLINE BIBLE . COM,I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE ELSE IS OR HAS READ THIS BOOK, IT GIVES MUCH INFO ON THE FALLEN ANGELS AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS SO FAR??

Another question is why it is not in the bible if we have those books in the bible quoting from it? If Paul and Jude believed that Enoch was a prophet, how come the church did not include it in later versions of the bible?

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Heb 11:5

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 1:14

If the bible was written by men who in-turn were "INSPIRED" by >god< it only stands to reason that if "one" who was definitely inspired by god [JUDE!!] is quoting from the book, there should be no reason to exclude it from the bible, correct? If not, then why did JUDE make it in as touching on ENOCH being a "PROPHET" of god?

Jude calls him a "prophet" so either jude is wrong and thus the inspiration of the book is not correct, accurate or reliable, or those who leave it out are not trustworthy or reliable!! IMO!!

They destroyed Mars and were influencing the Children of Adam to advance technology on Earth, prematurely. This is why they were shut up until the end of the present age. Do you know the story of Lilith? Adam's first wife? Her children perished when they destroyed Mars with their advanced weapons.

The book of enoch has its own merit.

Thier is one important thing in thier it says that does not agree and i believe it says it in the NT.

That Enoch was translated. Or is still living or went to heaven.

The scriptures say all die unless you are in the part of history when Yahshua Returns then you are traslated to a spirit.

He could not of went to heaven and Yahshua be the 1st born. or 1st born of the dead.


I do not know if this is why it was left out but alot of people think much of what it says.

Thier are also many others that was kept out. The bbok of Jasher.. The Book of Wars. I have forgotten but you can find several books written out in the Kings and Chronicles that mention books as if they were using them at that time..Blessings...Miles

I've read some on lilith, it is not mentioned in Enoch however - alyhough 2 other women are. i will post that along with other things left out of the bible:



Chapter 6

And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.’ And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ And they all answered him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaquel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.

Chapter 7

And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

Chapter 8

And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root cuttings, ‘Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...

Chapter 9

And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. And they said one to another: ‘The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their cryingst up to the gates of heaven. And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High."’ And they said to the Lord of the ages: ‘Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn: And Semjaza, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.’

Chapter 10

Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: ‘Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.’ And again the Lord said to Raphael: ‘Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.’ And to Gabriel said the Lord: ‘Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and that each one of them will live five hundred years.’ And the Lord said unto Michael: ‘Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth’ shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore.

And then shall all the righteous escape, And shall live till they beget thousands of children, And all the days of their youth and their old age Shall they complete in peace.

One last thing Tribo.

Thier has been several i don ot know how many in the Mid East Area that have written about..Yahweh the Elohim of War..

Apprently others seen it this way. I may beable to see this with Abraham and Joshua when they concorring land. I do not see it that much in Abraham but he did go to Melchezidec with tithe after fighting and winning in the Valley of the kings. And take sodom and Gommorahs destruction.. I could see why they would call Yahweh the Elohim of War.

In Persian History you find them haveing great Respect for the Israelites as Many kings called them Yahwism or Yahweh Wisdom.. because of thier ability to conquer and the prophets great wisdom.

Shalom my Friend..Miles

your concept of time in mortal. Yet, in His eyes eternity is but a moment. All live unto Him; and its all one day to Him.
Enoch is hidden in Christ, and the mortal concept of finite time just cannot apply. You will see them soon.

are u saying that Enoch and others rose before the Messiah..

http://www.thelostbooks.com/list.htm

This web link has over 500 books that were left out of the Bible. There is also a lot of history as to the why, who, when and how the current book of Scriptures were put together...ENJOY!

Shalom!

Funny you should give me that

i had found that one myself before even posting this - great sight by the way!!

but thenk you for sharing it so others can know of it - i don't know why i didn't, maybe because i had not read anything from it yet just put it in my favorites for now.

My main concern with Enoch is that it was not included in the bible even though it is quoted from by jude which is included.

My concept of time is two fold, gods - which is without the time space continuim, and mans, within the time space continuim. I'm well aware there is no time with god - only man. but thnx for pointing it out incase others are not.

As far as seeing them soon - your probably right - at 61 i will most likely see them soon if they exist.


""Enoch is hidden in Christ, and the mortal concept of finite time just cannot apply. You will see them soon.""

Tribo


You'll have to explain you - hidden in christ" meaning if you expect it to mean anything to me besides just a mystical statement by a mystical person. thnx

A little about Lilith.

The idea that Adam had a wife prior to Eve may have developed from an interpretation of the Book of Genesis and its dual creation accounts; while Genesis 2:22 describes God's creation of Eve from Adam's rib, an earlier passage, 1:27, already indicates that a woman had been made: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." The text places Lilith's creation after God's words in Genesis 2:18 that "it is not good for man to be alone". He forms Lilith out of the clay from which he made Adam, but the two bicker. Lilith claims that since she and Adam were created in the same way, they were equal, and she refuses to submit to him:

After God created Adam, who was alone, He said, 'It is not good for man to be alone.' He then created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He had created Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith immediately began to fight. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.' Lilith responded, 'We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the earth.' But they would not listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the air.

Adam stood in prayer before his Creator: 'Sovereign of the universe!' he said, 'the woman you gave me has run away.' At once, the Holy One, blessed be He, sent these three angels Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, to bring her back.

Said the Holy One to Adam, 'If she agrees to come back, what is made is good. If not, she must permit one hundred of her children to die every day.' The angels left God and pursued Lilith, whom they overtook in the midst of the sea, in the mighty waters wherein the Egyptians were destined to drown. They told her God's word, but she did not wish to return. The angels said, 'We shall drown you in the sea.’

'Leave me!' she said. 'I was created only to cause sickness to infants. If the infant is male, I have dominion over him for eight days after his birth, and if female, for twenty days.’

When the angels heard Lilith's words, they insisted she go back. But she swore to them by the name of the living and eternal God: 'Whenever I see you or your names or your forms in an amulet, I will have no power over that infant.' She also agreed to have one hundred of her children die every day. Accordingly, every day one hundred demons perish, and for the same reason, we write the angels' names on the amulets of young children. When Lilith sees their names, she remembers her oath, and the child recovers.

The background and purpose of The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is unclear. It is a collection of stories about heroes of the Bible and Talmud, it may have been a collection of folk-tales, a refutation of Christian, Karaite, or other separatist movements; its content seems so offensive to contemporary Jews that it was even suggested that it could be an anti-Jewish satire, although, in any case, the text was accepted by the Jewish mystics of medieval Germany.

The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is the earliest surviving source of the story, and the conception that Lilith was Adam's first wife became only widely known with the 17th century ‘‘Lexicon Talmudicum of Johannes Buxtorf.

An Armenian writer Avetik Isahakyan describes Lilit as Adam's first wife. However, here God created Lilit from fire and Adam from soil. Lilit did not like how Adam smelled like soil. In the end, she escaped with Satan in the shape of a snake. Only after that did God create Eve from Adam's bone, so that she would always be with him. "But though Adam's lips said Eve, his soul always echoed Lilith.

Tnx for that K, what i've read so far in Enoch is very interesting, according to this man of god whom Jude no less calls a prophet of god, we see adam and eve having 2 daughters, and one becomes seth's wife - i dont know yet if by chance the other becomes Cains wife but i'll let you know if that's the case.

As i said my main interest lies with the fact that Jude quotes from the book of Enoch, yet we donot find it in the bible/book, this leads me to wonder why it is not included if jude himself is quoting from it?? And why it is not taught from since it definitely gives much insite to things earlier as to the garden of eden the angels mating with women, and much more ?? so unless some one shows me that it should not be included with the other propets of the old testament - i will include it for it has many answers not able to be gleaned from moses writings.

I would have to look this up of course but Im assuming it was thrown out and not included because whether or not it was "divinely inspired" is questioned. Some of these themes you are describing sound dangerously Pagan influenced. I could be wrong though so I will look online and report back what I can find if it is of interest.

I am reading some of your questions as to why Enoch was left out of the Scriptures...why were all of these other books left out as well? As Miles mentioned, there is the Book of Jasher, and then the Book of Jubilees, etc. The site I gave you and that you have saved as a favorite is a site you may want to explore throughly as it has may have the answers to your questions.

Shalom!

PS The site also has a list of books that are mentioned in the Scriptures (like Enoch) but are not found in the Bible...they even give you links to some of them if you are interested in reading them

I was looking thru the site briefly yesterday, some i have quickly browsed and would see why they may have been left out - but Enoch is different, none of the other apocrypha books are mentioned in the NT, but Enoch is. that is why i don't get it - meaning if it was good enough for peter,Paul,and especially Jude!! - why delete it from the CANON?

You cant have people like Jude who was a believer in Jesus, filled with the holy spirit and the gifts - stating that Enoch was a "PROPHET OF GOD" and then decide a few hundred years later to not include him in the canon of the bible as we now know it correct?? Not only that but from what i can tell he would be the earliest Prophet in the bible and closest to the beginning as to knowing the events he speaks of, which are different and non existent in the book as it is now - seems awful fishy to me - hmmmm???

By George you've GOT IT! The church is a liar! Forget about them and just read on your own you would fair much better and things would make more sense...

When are we going to believe that in this time after the Holy Spirit. That when it is in us that we will not be taught by man. Yahweh will guide us and show us mysteries that have been unknown untill now. Like he says when they bring you befor kings and judges do not think before hand what you will say. In that hour the Holy Spirit will speak through you.. We need to believe that all have the ability to know all things not just the ones in charge..Blessings..Miles

HalleluYAH!!!