21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and >>closed up the flesh instead thereof;<<

22 And the """rib""", which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. {made: Heb. builded}
23 And Adam said, """"This is now bone of my bones, and >>>flesh of my flesh<<<:""" ???

she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. {Woman: Heb. Isha} {Man: Heb. Ish}

TRIBO:

was this a sparerib?, did it have meat and skin or >>>FLESH<<<????????


and he took one of his ribs, and >>closed up the flesh instead thereof;<<


closed up the >>flesh<< sounds like there was nothing taken but the rib itself eh?

so what is this FLESH OF MY FLESH stuff then?


>>>---> RIB <---<<< yes - FLESH - no.

Gonna be some interesting responses

maybe the marrow for flesh? i think it's symbolic & abit chauvanist, but hey! that's the heiarchy that was prevalent @ the time of recording. i think it's even more interesting to focus on the fact that the 'masculine' couldn't thrive w/o the 'feminine', the need of Eve by Adam, you know? even more interesting are the further developments- IE: eve takes the fruit of knowledge & banishes both from Eden. but we all know that in the world after, woman bears new life, w/a little help from man ofcourse! a wonderfully shady topic, thanks! lots to think about....

well what you say is true, it is a lot to think about, but god being the chauvinist that he is [seeing how the godhead itself - [father.son,HS], are all male gender without any mother figure is par for the course!:oh well:

As to the marrow - well i don't think that's it, marrow being flesh? if flesh is referring to "skin" or muscle - in this case - i don't think so.

as to this god - well - what i see is a typical male attitude, with all the killing, hate, violence, destruction, which you gotta admit is typical of mankind. not of a matriarchal society. you also see all the normal male emotions of jealousy, suspicion, lust, anger, revenge, love, etc.. and again mans thinking, do as i say, not as i do. meaning - if you [man] kills, then i will punish you - but if i kill it's OK. if you hate, then you will be punished - but if i hate it's OK. that is unless i personally tell you to do those things - then its OK to.

as to the tree - its the old story of look, but don't touch, touch but don't taste, taste but don't eat, -lords prayer - "And lead us not into temptation" how much more can you set mankind up for failure that to put something in front of him and then tell him not to partake of it, it looks great, its beautiful to look at, it is pretty, and!!! if you eat of it you will know both good and evil just like i do - SOOOOOO now that I've told you this - dont touch it!! or i will kill you!!! but be my guest and eat of every other tree, it also raises the question - why if god did not forbid them to eat of the tree of life, why they didn't? hmmmm?

The word translate thier is Tesla. Which almost always is translated chamber. If this was he took Adams chamber and then closed him up would make since. It would be the womb. This is why man and wife come to gether as 1 again.Most do not want to believe this. But remember adam was given Eve as a helpmate when Yahweh saw it was not good for him to be alone.

If we go to Yahshua's words. he was asked about the 7 husbands which would be the widows as she had all as husband.

He replied you do not understand the angels do not marry or are given in marraige. we know Angels always appear as man.

The mystery he is talking about is this the 2 becoming 1 in the after life also.

The law says the man covers the woman. a wife is not judged unless she perform a vow or she commits adultry. The Husband can still take her back.

yahshua spoke of this if your wife is not a believer they asked. He said she is covered by her husband or a wife if the husband is not a believer is covered by her.

Why? If not then the children would be unclean and the children are covered by thier parents.

If we would look at this and not just say hey its a rib Eve was made from the marraige ceremony becomes quite clear. is woman = to (womb man) who was Adam? Shalom...Miles

well my friend - "Tesla" i cannot find [outside of the tesla coil? joke - i think you meant - [tsela] tsay-law or feminine tsah-ah or aw, which is used [19] times as - side
11 times as - chamber
2 times as corners
and 2 times as "RIB"
as well as others words.

i cannot find the other account of the second use of "RIB" to compare if it is in the same context as used here - till i do i will hold my tongue as to your response. unless you know where the second use of rib is found - do you?

i really don't mind being told what something means but i like to see it for mysely miles - as i'm sure you do also. so thnx for the input i will look into this further for sure - your friend - agayuli waya [old wolf]

Shalom Tribo.

That was all from memory. I used to show everything like you are speaking of but had some complain i was not putting it in plain language. So i slowed down and paste stuff very little. If they do not want to see it i see no reason to do it. I know u well enough u will dig. Take Care my friend. Shalom..Miles

Funny you mentioned this...I've OFTEN wondered why in the Lord's Prayer, it says "lead me not unto temptation"...

I've always wondered WHY God would lead us into temptation?? Isn't that supposed to be Satan..the "temptor" in the Bible?

A WHOLE lot confuses me in the Bible.

And why a rib? Why not take a molecule of Adam's body??

It IS God we're talking about here.

I gave up a LONG time ago, trying to understand the Bible. Tried many, many times to read it, and that is one confusing book to read!

Maybe much is lost in the translation??

And Miles, you're saying Adam had a womb?? So, he wasn't a man, then..he was a hermaphrodite, with your theory, no??

well i use to speak in plain english till i got on here - now with wouldee, spider,deb,morning song and others i have had to look into original languages and meanings [which i'm still not sure of], if you know what i mean - i think you do - so yes with me you can be as detailed as you wnat for i'm seking as much truths as i have access to - always

shalom my friend

i'll look into that my lady and get back - I'm almost positive the actual word >temptation< has another connotation or meaning -

So now you're turning into a fundie literalist, eH? If you're going to get this specific - I have to ask, are you sure the original translation is in fact "rib", and not "part of his side"?

But that aside... What you have issue with is what is not specifically stated in the bible. Adam was in a deep sleep - so He couldn't be sure exactly what he saw - all he knows is He see's a woman in front of him, and feels a slight pain in his side. "Perhaps I'm missing a rib" he thinks to himself - or maybe God told him.

I think the what makes me curious is why you are making a presumption based on information you don't have rather than concluding what you do have. You only know there was a rib used - but you are not told if he took flesh as well. By Adam's statement - it could be concluded that he DID take a part of flesh as easily as it could be presumed he didn't. Since the text does not say he took a rib and only a rib - the assumption you have made is purly subjective. The arguement that it was "Bone" - yes, "flesh" - no, is not a convincing one given the information from the text. It's just as easy to assume that because Adam says "flesh of my flesh" that his flesh was used as well. But the issue here is trying to establish a non-subjective truth that is not adressed by the text.

So - are you attempting to establish that this is somehow a contradiction - or that you just wished the writer of Genesis had been more detailed about the particulars of creating Eve?

Shalom.

Yes I am saying that Adam had Both sexes as do the Angels in Heaven.

The Masters Prayer is a Very interesting prayer.

It is speaking specifically about a certain day The Day of Atonement and It speaks or is a shortened version of a Whole chapter in Isa. This is a prayer about about Yahshua's Return.

do not lead me into temptatation. Is speaking of what is called the Holiest day of the Year.

This is the Day of Atonement. Which in the Biblical Calaner is the 10th Day of the 7th month.
This year that day will be appr. as it goes by the sighting of the New Moon. Where tthe word month comes from. It will be Oct 10th or 11th.

Yahshua said Watch for you know what hour I come. Yet he says his people will know really close.

That is because they are following Yahweh's commands. The whole world says the OT laws are done away. This is why he comes as a thief in the night. To them. They new back then what Watch meant.

This Day of Atonement the High Priest went in once a year to offer His sins 1st as cleansed his self and then the sins of the people.
This day is a day to learn about the poor and the hungry .To see Yahweh gives to all. If they have need of something do not have them ask you but go and take care of it for them. As Yahweh is the true giver.

This is why this day is so important.The lead into tempttation. Is the wilderness. Aaron would put his hands on one of 2 goats and put the sins of the people on it. Then thier is some reference but it is found more in canons that did not make it. That a crown of thorns was then places on this goat.Then he was lead into the wilderness die and never return.

the other goat was offered as a sacrafice.

The goat has the sins of the people on it and what did Yahshua do after he was baptised.?

He went into the wilderness to be tempted by satan and to fast.

We are to put are sins away from us not harbor them inside after you have asked forgiveness.
many people can not get over some sins. This is why as the goat took the sins far away as the Ps. says yahweh puts away your sins as far as the east is from the west.

Yet many of us can not forgive or forgive ourselves.

This is why do not lead me into temptation. To where i will not forgive. self or others.

Those few words have so much meaning a book could be written. Yet with the OT laws being done away and not practiced except for animal sacraafices you have no idea these sayings that were not that foriegn. To the people.

They are now.If you go well i will post it as it is short. Well a little longer to let you see what i am talking about.


Matt 6:8-7:1

8 "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9 In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,Hallowed be Your name. 10 Your kingdom come.Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts,As we forgive our debtors. 13 And do not lead us into temptation,But deliver us from the evil one.For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
16 Fasting to Be Seen Only by God

Now here we have it quoted as Evil one. Wasn't Yahshua Tempted by the Evil one. Then he spoke of if it was done to him do not be suprised if it comes upon you. Here Temptation and it comes from the Evil one.

Now I spoke above about on The Day of Atonement that you fasted. You also are in prayer. After the Prayer model he speaks of fasting. Happenstance. I do not believe so. Also as you go on you will see Yahshua starts speaking about giving to your nieghbor. Not worrying about how you will eat or where you will sleep. Just as the Day of Atonement is for you to take a good look at yourself wash away your sinfull nature and look at others with compassion.

Yahshua said he was our friend. And that a friend would die for you. He died for the whole world no matter who they are.

So if we are to be a friend as say the guy who was robbed and Yahshua asked who was his friend.

We are to be that friend to each other se the other more valuable than yourself. When you have done this you have done the Masters Prayer and the Day of Atonement.

May Yahweh Fill You Heart With His Shalom and Wisdom...Miles


"Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 17 But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 so that you do not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
19 Lay Up Treasures in Heaven
(Luke 12:33,34)
"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22 The Lamp of the Body
(Luke 11:34-36)
"The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
24 You Cannot Serve Yahweh and Riches

"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve Yahweh and mammon.
25 Do Not Worry
(Luke 12:22-31)
"Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
28 "So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if Yahweh so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 "Therefore do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of Yahweh and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
This is talking about the thief in the night. when will he come?

NKJV

I don't think it was a rib myself, women and men have the same number of ribs I think, without pulling out my Gray's anatomy, To much typing to go into for me, but I believe it was more like he took some of the DNA and created her.
And thats just a thought, really don't want to go back into my books to bring out how I came about that belief.

Strongs 6763 Tsal'ah - a rib (as curved),lit.(of the body). Speaking for "me" not others, this could be the helix curve of DNA,

I saw your post title and got a little hungry. Do you have any spare bones for my dog?

JB

You have found a clue to the secret of the God of this dual world. He is a dual God. They call him the two headed God.

He is both the God of the dark forces and God of the light forces. He is the alpha and the omega, the good the evil. The light bearer and the prince of darkness is he.

But he is not Prime source. Just another lower level creator creature.

JB

The creatures of Adam and Eve were brought here from another world and made to fit the vibrations in this world. They originally were both male and female, much like the angels were,(not a-sexual but had both sexes) but they were altered so that one became man and one became woman.

Hence the story of Lilith was that she was to be the woman for Adam but the myth says that Lilith did not want to be the submissive female of the partnership. She refused to be changed to only a female, and she left and found a mate among the fallen angels and the myth says she bore many children who were "demons."

Of course these are myths, but interesting I think that you don't hear much of Lilith, the first wife of Adam in Christian writings.

however, it was said by jesus concerning the law of divorce given by moses...IT WAS NOT SO AT THE BEGINNING.....

if man has half a logic, or perception, and women the other half of logic, or a percpetion, then what man can come to understand all of two logics together, and what women two logics put together, unless BOTH perceptions are seen to BE ACCURATE, to understand the WHOLE LOGIC OF ALL EXPERIENCED WHILE FLESH, OR JUST MORTAL EXPEREINCE AS WHILE FLESH......

it is not missed no life can be made naturally without women and man, and no emotional life of love, or understanding, or greater wisdom neither, without both man and womens perception as one, BOTH perceptions as EQUAL, and joined, as ONE......to become not just of one flesh as sleeping together, or reproducing more natural life, and as the man was FIRST MADE, THEN THE FINDING THE WISDOM OF THE WOMEN FALL UPON HIS SHOULDERS, and why women naturally with all good wisdom REJECT WHAT TRIES TO MAKE LISTEN WITH DEMANDS OF TRUTH, as the man it seems must find wisdom to hear how the women say the same as man, but thru a different logic......

of course the religious notions most held are women was the helpmate physically, and sexually, and for all things man deems "himself" as what is help, lol......

but to see this is simply what "religion" wished to find, but it seems the the help a women give that religious men hate......SHOW MAN HOW HE IS WRONG.......

if text said a women was as to be submissive, then if the man deem her as not submissive, she is said to be the one wrong, lol.....

but does not true wisdom know that if a man treat a women with all the truth, she will wish to be submissive, so if she is not, then how is he doing what is most truth or right, lol......

did all religious men forget that the god they serve gave up his life, as for the church as the women, making no demands of treatment by any of his fellow man, turning the other cheek, even unto death......

so what man that demands ANYTHING of a women, or insists anything to be followed, and does not give TOTAL FREEDOM TO THE WOMEN, does as christ, lol....

just ideas from the devil....peace