if he got married at 6, I guess so then.

If he was screwing around in Chicago with Maypor Daly and bill Ayers when he was 6, I guess so.

if he was 6, how could he have been mentored by rev notwright for 20 years?

If he hasn't been part of the catatonic Congress of the last two years and part and parcel to a single digit approval rating dismally wporse than bush's dismal rating, then I guess so.



somebody is drinking and it ain't the piano.

Hmmm...I didn't know that pianos drink. Do you see this often? That could be a problem for you. I rarely drink myself. I am usually multi-tasking when on the computer though.

I was referring to the comment about Obama's formative years with Islam. I believe that he was only living over there until about 6 yrs. old. That's hardly an influence.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5544




As Barack Obama's candidacy comes under increasing scrutiny, his account of his religious upbringing deserves careful attention for what it tells us about the candidate's integrity.

Obama asserted in December, "I've always been a Christian," and he has adamantly denied ever having been a Muslim. "The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country [Kenya]. But I've never practiced Islam." In February, he claimed: "I have never been a Muslim. … other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for 4 years when I was a child [Indonesia, 1967-71] I have very little connection to the Islamic religion."

"Always" and "never" leave little room for equivocation. But many biographical facts, culled mainly from the American press, suggest that, when growing up, the Democratic candidate for president both saw himself and was seen as a Muslim.

Obama's Kenyan birth father: In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (1936–1982) was a Muslim who named his boy Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Only Muslim children are named "Hussein".

Obama's Indonesian family: His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was also a Muslim. In fact, as Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng explained to Jodi Kantor of the New York Times: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." An Indonesian publication, the Banjarmasin Post reports a former classmate, Rony Amir, recalling that "All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims."


Barack Obama's Catholic school in Jakarta.

The Catholic school: Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press reports that "documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim" while at a Catholic school during first through third grades. Kim Barker of the Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was "listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school." A blogger who goes by "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" found that "Barack Hussein Obama was registered under the name ‘Barry Soetoro' serial number 203 and entered the Franciscan Asisi Primary School on 1 January 1968 and sat in class 1B. … Barry's religion was listed as Islam."

The public school: Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times learned from Indonesians familiar with Obama when he lived in Jakarta that he "was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended." Haroon Siddiqui of the Toronto Star visited the Jakarta public school Obama attended and found that "Three of his teachers have said he was enrolled as a Muslim." Although Siddiqui cautions that "With the school records missing, eaten by bugs, one has to rely on people's shifting memories," he cites only one retired teacher, Tine Hahiyari, retracting her earlier certainty about Obama's being registered as a Muslim.


Barack Obama's public school in Jakarta.

Koran class: In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies, thereby revealing he was a Muslim, for Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times, reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent."

Mosque attendance: Obama's half-sister recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events." Watson learned from childhood friends that "Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque." Barker found that "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers." One Indonesia friend, Zulfin Adi, states that Obama "was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong" (a garment associated with Muslims).

Piety: Obama himself says that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he "didn't practice [Islam]," implicitly acknowledging a Muslim identity. Indonesians differ in their memories of him. One, Rony Amir, describes Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.

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Apr. 29, 2008 update: This article builds on two prior ones on the matter of Barack Obama and Islam. First, "Was Barack Obama a Muslim?" considered the implications of his Muslim childhood; second, "Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam" responded to a critique of the first article. This third one brings the evidence together in a single place.

Aug. 25, 2008 update: I review the confusion of Muslim reactions to Obama in "Barack Obama through Muslim Eyes."

He was just a young child. Sheesh.

he was raised his whole life in this family.


he never had a christian tradition.

it's not important that he embraces Jesus Christ asd an adult, to the exclusion of his past.

it is the deceit with whch nobama disguises his upbringing, which is not limited to or confined to the first 6 years of his life.

Characterize it any way you wish,


the facts speak for themselves.


just saying.........

Not raised in a Christian tradition?

He went to a Catholic school the article said.

Also, he starting living as a Christian in Hawaii.

Nobama has culminated that mixture of faiths in his discernment, since abandoned as a convenience, regarding the example of his attendance and tacit approval of rev, wright's mentorship, spiritual guidance, and apostolic authority over his life by virtue of his knowledgeable and wilfully consistent association with that religious society.

That, and the concurrent distancing from his anarchistic friend, Bill Ayers, speak to the convenience with which nobama cavalierly uses others that suit his purpose and serve his self imposed image while while serving a different image in his public persona.

All of his excuses and circular equivocations in these regards serve to exemplify how nobama uses people to further himself and subsequently discard them all as a matter of convenience, not conscience.

He has no clear conscience.

neither do his fans that applaud his cavalier approach to supposed loved ones and intimate personal relationships.

It makes him readily ab=vailable to mingle with strangers, but incapable of building long lasting relationships with any sense of loyalty or committment.

Apart from his married life,which seems to stand the test of time and show that he loves his wife and children dearly, it is difficult to trust him to serve the American people sincerely.

THAT is the point that you so deftly choose to gloss over in your enamored defence of the man and h8is message,

For me, he is drunk with power and not filled with the compassion required to lead this nation in good times or bad.

The fact that his handlers are clearly extreme liberals on the fringes also displays his compromised ethics.

there is no moral equivalence in marginalizing the whole country and alienating half of it.


But then, he staunchly defends the rights of mothers to hire doctors to murder preemies that in his view are not children, but unviable and incomplete lives.

That is the most despicable of his few achievements and it is precisely that pandering of his conscience to the looney left that is so horrifying.

But then, you want Palin at home caring for her infant, fullblown murder on demand as birth control, and a megolamaniac and massmurdering child molester for a President.

knock yourself out.


There is no getting through to ignorance where ignorance and misery seek companionship and coddling.



nobama 2008.

for pity´s sake....

the name has been anglicized...however, the closest I can think for Barack would be "بَرَكَ" which is the verb "bless." It does NOT mean "the blessed one," or "the blessed" because that would be "مبرك", or "Mubarak."

Hussein, or "حسين", would be the diminutive masculine of "attractive, good looking." So, a good looking little boy.

Obama is not Arabic. (Swahili, maybe?)

What if you were told that the repub and dem candidates basically have the same ideas? Would you still vote your party? What if Obama changed to being a republican nominee next election? Would you vote for him? IMO it's a little on the biased side to vote for someone just because of the party he or she belongs to. This is my main argument against Obama's supporters too. Why vote for the two people that will give you the same basic political outcome?

because Americans still believe they only have two choices and dont seem to want to break out of that comfortable mold...I dont understand it myself, there are far better candidates with very good ideas for turning America around...but instead most Americans seem more concerned with which candidate has the more skeletons in the closet rather than solutions for bettering your country...

Humm I saw a silly bit somewhere, might have been News of the Weird, where they'd posted a long list of criminals with the middle name Wayne.

Should we not elect anyone who's middle name is Wayne because they might be criminals?

I am just amazed that there are people who can base an important decision like who to vote for on the sound of someones name. Now there's an intelligent, measured thoughtful decision that reflects a true concern for this country and it's future. <---that's sarcasm by the way

Separation of church and state my friend. His christian ties weren't much better than his possible muslim ties. But this is hardly an issue we need to focus on. It's like calling McCain old, or biased because he was a veteran. It's retarded unless you can comeup with legislation he or she passed that was noticible biased to support your suspicions you are exercising what they call "attacking the person", the most common critical thinking fallacy in politics these days.

Anyhow, just my opinion.

Im your number one fan...

I wish my computer was able to type symbols like that.

kewl...huh??

Very.