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Jeanniebean
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From the "The Biggest Secret" Last paragraph
CHAPTER FOUR The Suns of God You can write an entire book about the myths in the Bible and, in fact, someone has. It’s called, appropriately, Bible Myths, and if you want detailed documentation of the information in this chapter I thoroughly recommend it. There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus. No archaeological evidence, no written evidence, nothing. So it is with Solomon, Moses, David, Abraham, Samson and countless other biblical ‘stars’. All we have are the Levite texts and the Gospel stories in their various versions. So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable. More than 40 writers are known to have chronicled the events of these lands during the alleged time of Jesus, but they don’t mention him.~48 A guy who did all the things that he was supposed to have done and no-one records it? Philo lived throughout the supposed life of Jesus and wrote a history of the Judeans which covered the whole of this period. He even lived in or near Jerusalem when Jesus was said to have been born and Herod was supposed to have killed the children, yet he doesn’t record any of this. He was there when Jesus is said to have made his triumphant arrival in Jerusalem and when he was crucified and rose from the dead on the third day. What does Philo say about these fantastic events? Nothing. Not a syllable. Not a titter.~49 None of this is mentioned in any Roman record or in the contemporary accounts of the writers of Greece and Alexandria who were familiar with what happened there.~50 Why? Because it didn’t happen. It was a symbolic, coded story to pass on esoteric and astrological knowledge of many kinds and, most crucially, to create another prison-religion based on the symbols of the Babylonian Brotherhood. The human race has been had. Big time. Download the Biggest secret here for free.. http://www.bacaracka.com/books/ SOURCES 1 The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, p 47. 2 Arthur Dynott Thomson, On Mankind, Their Origin And Destiny (Kessinger Publishing, P0 Box 160, Kila, MT 59920, USA, first published 1872), p 27. 3 On Mankind, Their Origin And Destiny, pp 8, 9. 4 Ibid, p 9. 5 Michael Drosnin, The Bible Code (Weidenfeld and Nicolson, London, 1997). 6 On Mankind, Their Origin And Destiny, p 17. 7 Ibid, p 6. 8 Ibid, pp 18, 19. 9 Ibid, p 19 10 Ibid, p 41. 11 Ibid, p 12. 12 Ibid. 13 Ibid, p 20. 14 Ibid, p 11. 15 The Secret Teachings Of All Ages, p L. 16 The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, p 147. 17 These examples (and there are countless others) are quoted by Israel Shahak in Jewish History Jewish Religion (Pluto Press, London, 1994). 18 Benjamin Freedman, Facts Are Facts, quoted by Jan Van Helsing in Secret Societies And Their Power In The 20th Century (Ewertverlag, Gran Canaria, Spain, 1995), p 99. 19 Alfred M. Lilenthal, What Price Israel? (Henry Regnery, Chicago, 1953), pp 213-214. 20 Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe - The Khazar Empire And Its Heritage (Hutchinson, London, 1976). 21 The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, edited by Tim C. Leedom (Kendall/Hunt Publishing, Iowa, USA, 1993), p 137. Available from the Truth Seeker Company, P0 Box 2872, San Diego, California 92112. 22 Ibid, p 135. 23 Albert Churchward, Of Religion, first published 1924 and now available from Health Research, P0 Box 850, Pomeroy, WA 99347, United States. 24 T. W. Doane, Bible Myths (Health Research, P0 Box 850, Pomeroy, WA 99347, United States). This was first copyrighted in 1882, reprinted in 1948, and is available from this address. Highly recommended, especially if you are a Christian. 25 The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, preface, p XI. 26 Ibid. 27 Jordan Maxwell, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 19-31. 28 The Secret Teachings Of All Ages, p CLXXXIII. 29 Ibid, p CLXXXIII. 102 30 Barbara G. Walker, The Woman’s Encyclopaedia Of Myths And Secrets (Harper Collins, San Francisco, 1983). 31 Jordan Maxwell, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p27. 32 It is from this that we inherit the Christian term, curate. 33 John Allegro, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 228-233. 34 Laurence Gardner, Bloodline Of The Holy Grail (Element Books, Shaftsbury, 1996), p 63. 35 Alan Albert Snow, director of the Institute for Judeo-Christian Origin Studies, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 63-66. 36 On Mankind, Their Origin and Destiny, p 368. 37 Acts 24:5 38 Albert Snow, Astrology In The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p 65. 39 Psalms 80:8. 40 Isaiah 5:7. 41 The Occult Conspiracy, p 14. 42 Jordan Maxwell, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p29. 43 Luke 2:7. 44 Bloodline Of The Holy Grail, p 37. 45 Ibid, pp 36-37. 46 The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 182, 183. 47 Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key (Arrow Books, London, 1997), p 310. 48 John E. Remsburg, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p 171. 49 Ibid. 50 Ibid, p 172. |
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Great post. It's good to see some varied references and not have to rely on a single document. Kudos.
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Edited by
BobbyJ
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Thu 09/04/08 10:12 AM
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"So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable."
As an archaeologist, this is entirely false. Jesus was mentioned by Josephus and his writing of him was not "inserted" into his text. This is poor scholarship. Also why call Josephus a 'Jewish' historian. He was Jewish and fought in the 1st Jewish Rebellion. He was also an educated citizen of Rome. He survived the 1st rebellion by switching allegience to the Romans. The accuracy of the historical writings of Josephus were proven when archaeology confirmed his account of the Roman siege of Masada. |
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I haven't read the book yet, but I know that it is true that all credible clergy of almost denomination, or sect of any biblical-based religion will openly confess that it is based on pure faith. They have no credible reasons for believing in the biblical myths. It's entirely based on faith.
My question to people is truly simple. If you must believe in a description of God based on pure faith, why would you want to believe in one that says that all of mankind has fallen from God's grace and is in need of repentance and forgiveness? It makes no sense to me to believe such a negative story based on pure faith. Why would anyone want to believe that man's relationship with is creator is in turmoil, based on nothing but pure faith. Pure choice? There are other pictures of God that are much more positive pictures. If we feel a need to believe in a God based on pure faith, why not at least choose a pretty picture? One that does not have us at odds with God? Faith is a matter of choice. If I am going to believe in God on faith, I'm going to believe in a pretty picture of God. Not an ugly negative picture of a humanity that has fallen from God's grace is at the mercy of a demonic fallen angle that the God can't even control. Why anyone would choose to have faith in such a futile ugly picture is beyond me. Even if they are arrogant enough to think that they can save their own butt shouldn't they be more concerned with humanity as a whole? |
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"So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable." As an archaeologist, this is entirely false. Jesus was mentioned by Josephus and his writing of him was not "inserted" into his text. This is poor scholarship. Also why call Josephus a 'Jewish' historian. He was Jewish and fought in the 1st Jewish Rebellion. He was also an educated citizen of Rome. He survived the 1st rebellion by switching allegience to the Romans. The accuracy of the historical writings of Josephus were proven when archaeology confirmed his account of the Roman siege of Masada. That's a nice way to put it I guess. His people called him "traitor" Flavius Josephus was not his real name either. He was taken prisoner by the Romans and chained up in a dungeon and probably tortured. Probably the only reason he was allowed to live is that he cooperated with the enemy of his own people. He was used by the Roman aristocrats to write false accounts of history and to destroy Judaism with the writing of the New Testament which is a total fabrication. JB |
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I have showed countless written and archelogical proof on this thred many times. then the thread stops and a few weeks later the same claim is claimed as proof. I will not bring it back again for when a person is given a fish for a meal. That is all he has. When he is taught how to fish then he is able to feed himself. I will just leave this thread alone and see if it dies for now. But listen to the words of Solomon and wisdom will come your way.
Prov 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing his own heart. NKJV Shalom...Miles |
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I have showed countless written and archelogical proof on this thred many times. then the thread stops and a few weeks later the same claim is claimed as proof. I will not bring it back again for when a person is given a fish for a meal. That is all he has. When he is taught how to fish then he is able to feed himself. I will just leave this thread alone and see if it dies for now. But listen to the words of Solomon and wisdom will come your way. Prov 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing his own heart. NKJV Shalom...Miles Apparently your proof or your sources were not proof enough. I don't remember them. So they must not have been too impressive. JB |
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you do not want to remember what you do not want to believe. One of the greatest Roman historian had a lot to say about Yahshua and what happened.. Your references do the same thing. They just throw out the baby with the bath water..Miles
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/04/08 11:03 AM
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The Jewish general who lead the revolt against Rome was said to have been captured. Why would a general who lead a revolt against Rome turn against his own people?
That is Flavius Josephus, whose real name was Joseph ben Mattathias. I have my own theories. I know how cruel the Romans were. They were ruthless. They probably used him as long as they could and then just killed him. Then, Calpurnius Piso and the Piso family took his new name (Flavius Josephus) and used it as a pen name to write and edit any of his work to suit the Roman Empire. “The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictiotional!) characters.” http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/ Flavius Josephus - (37- ca. 100), Jewish priest, soldier, and scholar. He was born Joseph ben Mattathias in Jerusalem in 37 CE a few years after the time of Jesus, during the time of the Roman occupation of the Jewish homeland. In his early twenties he was sent to Rome to negotiate the release of several priests held hostage by Emperor Nero. When he returned home after completing his mission he found the nation beginning a revolution against the Romans. Despite his foreboding that the cause was hopeless, he was drafted into becoming commander of the revolutionary forces in Galilee, where he spent more time controlling internal factions than fighting the Roman army. When the city of Jotapata he was defending fell to the Roman general Vespasian, Josephus and his supporters hid in a cave and entered into a suicide pact, which Josephus oddly survived. Taken prisoner by Vespasian, Josephus presented himself as a prophet. Noting that the war had been propelled by an ancient oracle that foretold a world ruler would arise from Judaea, Josephus asserted that this referred to Vespasian, who was destined to become Emperor of Rome. Intrigued, Vespasian spared his life. When this prophecy came true, and Vespasian became Emperor, he rewarded Josephus handsomely, freeing him from his chains and eventually adopting him into his family, the Flavians. Josephus thus became Flavius Josephus. During the remainder of the war, Josephus assisted the Roman commander Titus, Vespasian's son, with understanding the Jewish nation and in negotiating with the revolutionaries. Called a traitor, he was unable to persuade the defenders of Jerusalem to surrender to the Roman siege, and instead became a witness to the destruction of the city and the Holy Temple. Living at the Flavian court in Rome, Josephus undertook to write a history of the war he had witnessed. The work, while apparently factually correct, also served to flatter his patron and to warn other provinces against the folly of opposing the Romans. He first wrote in his native language of Aramaic, then with assistance translated it into Greek (the most-used language of the Empire). It was published a few years after the end of the war, in about 78 CE. He was about 40 years old. Josephus subsequently improved his language skills and undertook a massive work in Greek explaining the history of the Jews to the general non-Jewish audience. He emphasized that the Jewish culture and Bible were older than any other then existing, hence called his work the Jewish Antiquities. Approximately half the work is a rephrasing of the Hebrew Bible, while much of the rest draws on previous historians. This work was published in 93 or 94 CE, when he was about 56 years old. Josephus wrote at least two smaller books, including his autobiography, in which he recounts his life from birth until the writing of the Antiquities. The year he died is unknown. |
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"So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable." As an archaeologist, this is entirely false. Jesus was mentioned by Josephus and his writing of him was not "inserted" into his text. This is poor scholarship. Also why call Josephus a 'Jewish' historian. He was Jewish and fought in the 1st Jewish Rebellion. He was also an educated citizen of Rome. He survived the 1st rebellion by switching allegience to the Romans. The accuracy of the historical writings of Josephus were proven when archaeology confirmed his account of the Roman siege of Masada. That's a nice way to put it I guess. His people called him "traitor" Flavius Josephus was not his real name either. He was taken prisoner by the Romans and chained up in a dungeon and probably tortured. Probably the only reason he was allowed to live is that he cooperated with the enemy of his own people. He was used by the Roman aristocrats to write false accounts of history and to destroy Judaism with the writing of the New Testament which is a total fabrication. JB Not a "nice way" to put it, rather an accurate way. There is no proof that Josephus; was called a traitor by his own people, that he was tortured, that he lived only because he cooperated with the Romans, that he was used by Roman aristocrats to write false accounts of history. I suggest a personal reading of his writings; "The Jewish War" (ce. 75) and "Antiquities of the Jews" (ce. 94). He hardly wrote to destroy Judaism. His account of King Herod and his sons is extrememly well balanced. Josephus writes as well about Augustus, Marc Anthony and Cleopatra. |
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you do not want to remember what you do not want to believe. One of the greatest Roman historian had a lot to say about Yahshua and what happened.. Your references do the same thing. They just throw out the baby with the bath water..Miles What great Roman Historian are you talking about? |
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"So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable." As an archaeologist, this is entirely false. Jesus was mentioned by Josephus and his writing of him was not "inserted" into his text. This is poor scholarship. Also why call Josephus a 'Jewish' historian. He was Jewish and fought in the 1st Jewish Rebellion. He was also an educated citizen of Rome. He survived the 1st rebellion by switching allegience to the Romans. The accuracy of the historical writings of Josephus were proven when archaeology confirmed his account of the Roman siege of Masada. Having not read the works of Josephus, I have no grounds on which to base an opinion on the claims of either side (i.e. "inserted" or not). But to me, the simple fact that he could have been no older than two, during the supposed ministry of Jesus (according to my admittedly limited research), means that any accounts he may have written regarding Jesus, would necessarily have to be second-hand at best - and more probably having MUCH greater "degrees of separation". |
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"So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable." As an archaeologist, this is entirely false. Jesus was mentioned by Josephus and his writing of him was not "inserted" into his text. This is poor scholarship. Also why call Josephus a 'Jewish' historian. He was Jewish and fought in the 1st Jewish Rebellion. He was also an educated citizen of Rome. He survived the 1st rebellion by switching allegience to the Romans. The accuracy of the historical writings of Josephus were proven when archaeology confirmed his account of the Roman siege of Masada. That's a nice way to put it I guess. His people called him "traitor" Flavius Josephus was not his real name either. He was taken prisoner by the Romans and chained up in a dungeon and probably tortured. Probably the only reason he was allowed to live is that he cooperated with the enemy of his own people. He was used by the Roman aristocrats to write false accounts of history and to destroy Judaism with the writing of the New Testament which is a total fabrication. JB Not a "nice way" to put it, rather an accurate way. There is no proof that Josephus; was called a traitor by his own people, that he was tortured, that he lived only because he cooperated with the Romans, that he was used by Roman aristocrats to write false accounts of history. I suggest a personal reading of his writings; "The Jewish War" (ce. 75) and "Antiquities of the Jews" (ce. 94). He hardly wrote to destroy Judaism. His account of King Herod and his sons is extrememly well balanced. Josephus writes as well about Augustus, Marc Anthony and Cleopatra. He may have been allowed to help write those documents in return for his cooperation as traitor to his own people. Of course he was a traitor. He LEAD THE REVOLT AGAINST ROME and then was captured and imprisoned. What do you think they did to prisoners? Give them wine and women? NO they chained them to a wall. They found a use for him and they used him and then killed him when they were finished. Why would he turn against his people and be adopted by Rome? Unless he was only interested in his own survival. A man like that would not be one I would trust for the truth. JB |
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“The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictiotional!) characters.”
Ahhh, my mistake. I thought this might be a thread with some scholarly merit. I was sooooo wrong! I'm out of here! 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/04/08 11:19 AM
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Because of the influence on Josephus Ben Mattathias by the Romans who were his Captors and held complete power over his life, nothing written in his writings about Jesus can be trusted and could have easily been put there by the Roman aristocrats the Pisos who created Christianity by writing the New Testament.
The creation of Christianity was an effort to destroy Judaism by the Romans who hated and conquered the Jews. They used Flavius Josephus and made him look like a credible "jewish historian" for their own purposes. Bottom line is you can't trust any references to Jesus from Josephus, for three reasons: 1.) He was a traitor to his own people 2.) He was a prisoner of the Romans, chained to a dungeon wall until they struck a deal. 3.) There is no proof that the Roman Piso's did not rewrite or add to his writings, adding the few references to Jesus that he supposedly made. JB |
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“The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictiotional!) characters.” Ahhh, my mistake. I thought this might be a thread with some scholarly merit. I was sooooo wrong! I'm out of here! Since you have not given us any of your references of "scholarly merit" I can't very well comment on them. Thanks for dropping in. 
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Ahhh, my mistake. I thought this might be a thread with some scholarly merit. I was sooooo wrong! I'm out of here! So you were just trolling ... uh, I mean strolling, through the forums and decided to slow down for a quick "drive-by posting" huh? Thanks for your "scholarly" input. 
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There is no proof that the Roman Piso's did not rewrite or add to his writings, adding the few references to Jesus that he supposedly made. Interesting point. If we have no documents, that were actually written by his hand, to examine, then there is a prefectly valid foundation for suspecting the authenticity of any claims attributed to him. |
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Edited by
TheLonelyWalker
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Thu 09/04/08 12:36 PM
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pathetic attempts of people who feel so threaten, people with some sort of paranoia against religion.
Everytime I see this kind of things my eternal question comes back: if people has reached such a level of enlightment, so they have seen that all the religion is the biggest lie ever told why they try so hard to push into others? The only answer that comes to my head is that these pathetic individuals are just like the christian fundies, they are preaching over and over the same thing. They are proselytizing atheism. All these lead me to one simple conclusion these pathetic individuals are the same class as the christian fundies. Both of them are preaching hate the only difference one side uses God as an excuse, and the other side doesn't use God, but at the very end both are the same. TLW |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/04/08 12:48 PM
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pathetic attempts of people who feel so threaten, people with some sort of paranoia against religion. Everytime I see this kind of things my eternal question comes back: if people has reached such a level of enlightment, so they have seen that all the religion is the biggest lie ever told why they try so hard to push into others? The only answer that comes to my head is that these pathetic individuals are just like the christian fundies, they are preaching over and over the same thing. They are proselytizing atheism. All these lead me to one simple conclusion these pathetic individuals are the same class as the christian fundies. Both of them are preaching hate the only difference one side uses God as an excuse, and the other side doesn't use God, but at the very end both are the same. TLW There is no need to get insulting LW. I am NOT an atheist by a long shot. I am very much a believer in spiritual things, spiritual beings, and the higher self. What is "pathetic" could be the poor souls who believe the lies told for over 2000 years because they refuse to consider how preposterous they are or they just don't want to admit that they fell for it. I am dedicated to truth and presenting my conclusions to consider, because the truth will truly set people free. It is true that the man called Flavius Josephus was born by another name, was a Jewish General who lead the revolt against the Romans who Hated the Jews, then he turned traitor to save his own skin and he was allowed to write the history of the Jewish war. The Romans needed him to do that because they did not have these details. He (Josephus)probably gave them all the information they needed and wanted to undermine the entire Judaism religion. Why anyone would revere him as a famous or credible historian is beyond me. The truth of these things should and will be exposed. Some people will not like it. I have never tried to hide my agenda. Thanks to a few of the Christians on this club I was actually able to discover what it was. It is to expose the truth about the fiction of the New Testament and the religions of the Bible which include Judaism, Islam and Christianity. All based on fictional character's, all created by the Romans. That is my conclusion. JB |
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