Topic: US never had democracy
madisonman's photo
Fri 08/29/08 04:27 AM
American essayist Gore Vidal says that despite the US claim that it is making the world safer by perpetuating democracy, the country never had any democracy.

In an exclusive interview with Press Tv correspondent, Vidal said that the United States has never had democracy and the word never was used in the US constitution, Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence.

Vidal also said that America has fallen into the hands of a small group of people that only care about global dominance and making money from US tax payers by waging wars.

The renowned essayist made the analogy that the democratic national convention in Denver is symbolic of a falling empire and observed that the hyper expensive entertainment-based campaigns and the current state of the US as being overextended in multiple wars and no budget surplus to finance them, all bode ill for that nation's future.

Vidal noted that despite Obama's promise to deliver universal heath care, the heath industry would oppose his plan and insure he will not be able to deliver on his stated goal.

When asked about US policy toward Iran by the rival candidates, Vidal responded that McCain is a warmonger that will likely wage war on Iran.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=67866&sectionid=3510203

cheesesoda's photo
Fri 08/29/08 05:29 AM
The idea of a democracy is scary, anyway. Mob rule is one thing that our founding fathers intended to skirt. Hence the representative republic created, so our nation could be governed by law rather than what was convenient for the majority at the time.

With either choice, we're screwed. There's no getting around that. We'll either deal with bankrupting our government (McCain) or further bankrupting our nation's people and companies (Obama). Then we, also, have to deal with the expansion of our government.

I hate the two party system.

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:45 AM
smokin We dont have democracy, we have capitalism.smokin Thats why you have no rights unless you got the money to pay.smokin

cheesesoda's photo
Fri 08/29/08 07:19 AM
Edited by cheesesoda on Fri 08/29/08 07:19 AM

smokin We dont have democracy, we have capitalism.smokin Thats why you have no rights unless you got the money to pay.smokin

Socialism and Communism is so much better! If we all can't live like the rich, then we'll make the rich live like us! How dare people actually earn a living and reap the benefits of their hard work!

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Fri 08/29/08 07:51 AM


smokin We dont have democracy, we have capitalism.smokin Thats why you have no rights unless you got the money to pay.smokin

Socialism and Communism is so much better! If we all can't live like the rich, then we'll make the rich live like us! How dare people actually earn a living and reap the benefits of their hard work!


oh sweety...they're not going to like you very much around here....flowerforyou

cheesesoda's photo
Fri 08/29/08 08:02 AM



smokin We dont have democracy, we have capitalism.smokin Thats why you have no rights unless you got the money to pay.smokin

Socialism and Communism is so much better! If we all can't live like the rich, then we'll make the rich live like us! How dare people actually earn a living and reap the benefits of their hard work!


oh sweety...they're not going to like you very much around here....flowerforyou

Yeah, I can't say that I'm not used to that. Conservatives think THEY'RE hated. Pfft.

no photo
Fri 08/29/08 08:26 AM
you just figured this out , now....apparently, you failed civics class in 7th grade.....


Say it with me....."Federal Republic"

Lynann's photo
Fri 08/29/08 11:48 AM
Here's some suggested reading. I know, I know...reading is rather a challenge for some but you may learn something.

Here's the link http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/ It's easy to read on-line free and accessable to all.


What are the Federalist Papers?

The Federalist Papers were written and published during the years 1787 and 1788 in several New York State newspapers to persuade New York voters to ratify the proposed constitution.
In total, the Federalist Papers consist of 85 essays outlining how this new government would operate and why this type of government was the best choice for the United States of America.
All of the essays were signed "PUBLIUS" and the actual authors of some are under dispute, but the general consensus is that Alexander Hamilton wrote 52, James Madison wrote 28, and John Jay contributed the remaining five.

The Federalist Papers remain today as an excellent reference for anyone who wants to understand the U.S. Constitution.


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Fri 08/29/08 11:50 AM


smokin We dont have democracy, we have capitalism.smokin Thats why you have no rights unless you got the money to pay.smokin

Socialism and Communism is so much better! If we all can't live like the rich, then we'll make the rich live like us! How dare people actually earn a living and reap the benefits of their hard work!

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh drinker drinker drinker :banana:

madisonman's photo
Fri 08/29/08 11:55 AM

you just figured this out , now....apparently, you failed civics class in 7th grade.....


Say it with me....."Federal Republic"
so why are they promoteing democracy in the middle east? when is the last time you heard BUsh on tv saying " we are in Iraq to promote Federal Republicism?laugh