I don't have the answer to the origin of humans. There are many THEORIES so therefore I cannot answer this. At least you get a honest opinion. Your theory could be viable as of others. Perhaps in time we will know when more research is done.

Smiless its alright just calm down. Peace brother. You are perfectly allowed to not have an opinion one way or another. No hard feelings.

None taken! I just can't answer it. There are many possibilities.

I think what Sam has on Native Indians sounds very logical and I think even they have found evidence that they originally come from Asia.

and if you look at their facial structure compared to Asians you can see some similiarity.

Now concerning where humans first came from there are so many theories.

If you remember Jeanniebean she believes we were created by DNA from aliens. Who are we to say we are wrong! At least that is how I see it.

Then your theory about how it all started in Africa could be correct.

Then we have the thousands of religious beliefs who have answers

Then we have scientists who each have their theories.

So in the long run I cannot answer this. This is a honest opinion from me.

I am actually more interested in the origins of Natives and if they have any connection to the Chinese.

Smiless, I was NEVER arguing the theory that Native Americans might very well have Asiatic roots. Im not sure where that came from. What I was speaking of was the theory that HUMAN ancestry in general can trace their origins back to a matrilineal Eve as our closest common ancestor. So I believe that humans did not leave Africa until they were indeed what we understand to be modern humans. Once that occurred, perhaps about 100,000 years ago, then these homo sapiens left Africa and dispersed.

I was curious as to YOUR thoughts on the origins of man and if there was a theory you felt to be more accurate or credible. You then insisted that you have no opinions on such things.

"Well there you go that could be part of the answer of where Natives of America originally come from.

Then it also leads to ask where did the very first people come from? Was it Africa or Asia? Was it in different groups scattered around the world or one group that splitted apart in different directions." Smiless

This was your origional comment that I was responding to and how the topic of human origins was even brought up.

Concerning Native Indians if you look at the first page I mentioned to Sam before you even came to this thread that what he posted sounds very logical that Natives could come from Asia.

Concerning your question about where the first humans come from is that there are many theories and conclusions. So therefore my answer remains "I don't know" for there are no facts yet.

Good luck in researching on this. Perhaps you will be the first to find out the truth about where humans first evolved and its exact location.

I am sensing some sort of anger and resentment of my participation on this thread when all I have done is offered some theories and interpretations of the data that both you and Sam were already discussing. I simply added another layer. If you scroll back, the article I posted ALSO supported Sam's theory. I thought you were asking me where I felt the actual homo sapien genus originated from. I actually quoted that question posed by yourself. Now you dont seem to want to discuss it because you have no opinions, yet you are perfectly happy to address the possible origins of Native Americans?? Where do you think they came from?? They are homo sapiens. Uhhh. Obviously you would have nothing to work with here if you simply feel they poofed out of thin air or perhaps some grand creatrix blew on some mud?

There are indeed credible theories to support the theory of evolution and that man's ancestors essentially broke off from pan or chimpanzee a little under 6 million years ago but I realize you have no opinions on this.

What we NOW understand to be modern human was once a morphologically diverse group. In Africa and the Middle East there was Homo sapiens; in Asia, Homo erectus; and in Europe, Homo Neanderthalensis. However, by 30,000 years ago this taxonomic diversity vanished and humans everywhere had evolved into the anatomically and behaviorally modern form. If you ever decide that you want to discuss this with me, then you can do that. If you are going to be angry and/or annoyed, I will leave you and Sam to it. Im sorry I interrupted.

I don't have the answers so I don't know for there are many theories and conclusions. Why is that so hard to understand this? Yes I can go and read many theories and post it up here indicating a possible conclusion but I don't do that because there are so many! Why that is hard for you to accept I don't know.

I haven't been angry at all on this thread or any other for that matter?? Why you SENSE that I am angry is something I don't understand.

I didn't say that Indians came from Asia, I just mentioned that it sounds logical. This doesn't mean it is true what the authors write on this that Sam presented.

As I look throughout the thread, I didn't ask where the first humans come from? I think you elaborated and added the question yourself of where humans perhaps came from after agreeing that Natives came from Asia. I came with the answer that I don't know and that perhaps you are right that Africans where the first humans. If this is to be true we don't know no matter how many support this claim.

We also have so many ocean floors not discovered today that perhaps human life may have existed before it became a ocean. Perhaps there were civilizations that we have never heard of that had existed! Some believe in Atlantis!

You mention:

What we NOW understand to be modern human .... so on and so on

is something that can be agreed on or not by others. It is another conclusion we have thus far, but it doesn't answer where the first humans come from. That is something that may never be found out. It would be interesting to find out one day though!

No need to be sorry, just understand that if I say I don't know then that is a viable answer even if it doesn't say much or enough for you.

This is a very good video of the Hopi Indians of Arizona and the prophecy of the white man that would come.enjoy

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=end+of+days+prophets&emb=0&aq=f#q=end%20of%20days%20prophets&emb=0&aq=f&start=190

Smiles this is the question you initially posted that broached the issue of the origins of man. This is the second time I have posted it.

"Then it also leads to ask where did the very first people come from? Was it Africa or Asia? Was it in different groups scattered around the world or one group that splitted apart in different directions." Smiless

I merely brought forward my opinion after you posed the question. Then I asked you what your thoughts were on the subject matter which you refused to offer. Of course you can not answer the question but that is the entire idea behind a working theory. It is a scientific premise and you can either accept or reject that premise. I was asking your opinion on which, if any theory you felt was more credible. You seem to be afraid to actually tell me. Fine. If you want to sit on the fence, that is your business. I already told you I dont mind. No hard feelings. I guess I expected a little more but I can always find others who enjoy the critical thinking associated with such topics.

I NEVER agreed that natives came from Asia or anywhere else. I offered an article that supported Sam's theory. Big difference. You seem resentful that I have even interjected the origin of homo sapien for possible debate. I do not understand why. Especially since you initially posed the question.

There is much evidence to support that the lost city of Atlantis is actually the remnant of Crete and the Minoan Civilization which existed about 2700 BC. Oh but you probably dont want to discuss that either. Sorry. Please let me know for the future Smiless, what I can and can not interject or reference. for discussion

I am annoyed that you REFUSE to even offer your own opinions of these theories. I never asked you for any definite answers. Of course we dont know. Thats why we have THEORIES.

Give me a break. You can say and claim whatever you wish on this thread. I did give you a opinion and that is "I don't know". It is a answer you don't accept. This is not REFUSING an opinion. That is a honest opinion.

Now where the first humans come from could be as an example "Atlantis". I didn't say it is Atlantis. Maybe there are towns buried under the ocean we haven't discovered yet!

Sorry that you are annoyed. Perhaps you should start a thread asking for a wider amount of opinions on this subject who can give you their theoris on it so you can have a wider perspective of possible answers.

As for me the answer remains. I don't know and have no opinion as when others present theories and conclusions they sound logical. It is hard to know because we are talking about thousands and thousands of years from today.

So have fun with finding out and I am sure if you start a thread on it you will find many more conclusions and theories that sound logical and acceptable.

You give me a break! I already told you repeatedly that if you want to sit on the fence and offer no discussion on the matter, that is fine. I gave you "Theory A and Theory B" to choose from and you said you dont know and made it very clear that you were apprehensive or unable to offer any kind of opinion. That leads me to conclude you are either fearful to express yourself (I dont know why) or you are unfamiliar with these concepts as it relates to the study of paleontology Do you know what the theory of evolution is? Have you heard of it before? I dont know because you refuse to tell me. What do you like and what are your interests exactly?

Not thousands of years, millions Smiless. Uhh and its in the past, not "from today" which would denote the future tense. Clearly this is a topic you are not well read in. Probably you would have been better off just letting me know that from the start when I initially asked you. This I would have respected and understood. Lets just drop this. I will stay off your thread but please let this go. Its half assed and I dont feel like arguing. There is nothing to argue because you dont know what your own opinion is evidently.

Like I said I gave you my opinion and it is a honest one. If you think it is not a viable answer then don't accept it and move on, but don't insult my intelligence. I do have more then one degree and a IQ of 129 the last time I took such a test. I have also travelled and seen extrodinary sites when it comes to fossils and layouts of once existing establishments.

I thank you for your theory and answer and perhaps you are right about it. I didn't insult your answer or your intelligence and I didn't say it is wrong. I merely said that their are many conclusions and theories that answer where perhaps the first humans originated. To me personally many sound logical and therefore I cannot answer that question and the best answer is "I don't know".

Now this doesn't erase the fact that if I ask such a question I am not interested in hearing other opinions. You gave me your opinion. Believe it or not many would disagree with you just as much agree with what you came up with.

I am aware you asked me what I think. I said once again "I don't know". This doesn't mean I don't know anything about the subject!

I am not eluding an answer like you claim. I am just telling a honest opinion that I do not know. I do not claim to know everything and don't fall lightly on internet information. I believe more then half of the information that is posted on the internet is fabricated, exaggerated, or even used as lies to make people believe for personal agendas.

As ironic as it might sound perhaps aliens have taken the only evidence of where the first humans could have originated and because of that we will never know! Sounds illogical? Perhaps! yet is it out of the question? I don't think so. My opinion of course.

Have fun on Mingle and good luck on your research.

No you DID NOT in fact give me your opinion. Look at your last post. You contradicted yourself. First you say your opinion was that "you dont know". Then you say you have no opinion to give. So which is it?

I never insulted your intelligence. On the contrary, I was disappointed with your lack of ability to demonstrate critical thinking skills as it related to this specific topic. I thought you were intelligent and that is why I asked you. Please. I do not require a laundry list of your achievements. My educational background is quite extensive. I do not impress easily in that respect and especially under these circumstances and in light of what has taken place in this particular incidence.

You dont seem to understand. I offered these differing opinions to both you and Sam because they were in fact DIFFERENT than what the two of you had come up with thus far. I thought that would he helpful or perhaps even interesting. I also offered an article that supported the Asiatic designation of Native Americans. I was under the impression, based on your question, that you desired to take this a step further. The origins of humans would be the next logical issue to contend with. Where did the Indians come from and where did the first hominids disperse and achieve taxonomic singularity.

I would have no way of knowing what you understand on the subject because you never told me. You said repeatedly, you didnt know. "I dont know" is not an opinion. I like the taste of fresh squeezed orange juice is an opinion. If you had further elaborated and explained that you were unfamiliar with the subject matter or did not want to discuss it and gave a specific reason, then that would have been perfectly acceptable.

There are other resources and places to glean information from besides the internet so I dont understand that comment or its relatedness to this discusison.

If you find aliens to be a viable conclusion to draw as it relates to the origination of humans, I would have been perfectly willing to hear that explanation. Not only that, I would have respected you for it even if I found it to be incredulous. I would have most assuredly offered my own opinion and debate. Can I not rightfully expect that in return?

No such luck. Take care and I do apologize if I angered or upset you as that was NEVER my intention. As you will recall, I introduced myself to you yesterday and I had no idea this would occur. All I was attempting to do was get to know you and have a discussion. I will leave you be.

I am not angry at all and never was. You have your opinions and I have mine. Have fun with your future debates and discussions.

You sounded angry and there was excessive use of ! but without body language and voice inflection it can be hard to know conclusively. I have found it quite funny in all honesty. I have opinions, as does most everyone on this forum. I look forward to some day hearing a bonafied Smiless opinion.

Those who know me know I have opinions and am able to give critical discussion, but they also know if I don't know the answer that I will say so. Discussions are good if they are mutually respected, yet it seems here on mingle when it comes to religion or politics it isn't the case.

I also have encountered many people who like to argue more then debate on forums. I will just say there are many ways to answer questions. I guess I could have constructed it differently for you to give a more comfortable discussion, yet to make the long story short my answer was "I don't know" and many don't know and will also say the same answer as I have. Your two theories could be correct and I commend you on them. Perhaps what you say is the answer of when the first humans originated. In time I am sure more will be discovered also.

Because I don't know is the very reason why I asked for opinions. I could get more opinions if I started a new thread on it. I am in no rush to know them though and actually wanted to stay with the topic on native indians as the thread was intended when I started it a few months back.

Native Indians is such a vast study that it took Professor Joseph Campbell his whole life to even get a fraction of their history. I am glad to just visit and know personally a few tribes before heading back home to my country.

May you find peace of mind Kirmsa and that one day if person say they don't know is a viable answer that doesn't deserve to be attacked.

To bad you have a problem when I didn't and yes you are unaware when you attack people. Perhaps one day you will realize there is ways to debate with people peacefully. Reread some of your answers and you might understand what I am talking about. Well anyway no use giving suggestions to someone who doesn't take them lightly. All the best for you on Mingle.

Please return to the original topic, without the attacks/insults
Thanks,
Mark

No, you quote them. I asked for an opinion out of you. That is NOT a form of attack. Please stop responding to me as I am tired of this and a moderator has been forced to step in. I NEVER had a problem and have only been friendly. You have become angry and insulted and insistent that I am "attacking you". Please discontinue your hurtful remarks. Thank you.