Yes well if this isn't a flip floppin' duo I don't know what is. So much for the lovefest.

Hello, Biden… Bye, Bye Change
By Betsy Newmark


So, this is what the media was in a frenzy about and had to spend the day staking out the houses of all the short-list guys? I hope that all those who signed up for the text message to be the first to know are happy about it, although it seems that the story was leaked hours before the text message could go out. But hey, now they can be text buddies with the Obama campaign so it’s not a loss, at least not for the Obama people.

I guess that whole change message is tossed to the wayside.


Instead Obama picked a guy who has spent just about his whole adult life in the Senate, having only worked as a lawyer three years before he was elected in 1972 as one of the youngest guys ever to the Senate.

Obama seems to be throwing in the towel on his argument that his judgment trumps any of the experience or expertise that other candidates might have. And if the point is that Biden provides so much more knowledge because of his experience on the Foreign Relations Committee, what about this 2007 quote from Senator Obama?

First, he said, I’m on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where I serve with a number of Senators who are widely regarded as leading experts on foreign policy — and I can tell you that I know as much about foreign policy at this point as most of them.

Perhaps someone could ask Senator Obama if Joe Biden was included in that sweeping bit of arrogance?

Of course, there are all the quotes that everyone has been storing up of what Biden has said previously about both McCain and Obama. Check out Jim Geraghty’s handy list that includes some of these quotes that the McCain team is already putting into ads.

Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”

Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who…”

Also from that Observer interview: “But — and the ‘but’ was clearly inevitable — he doubts whether American voters are going to elect ‘a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,’ and added: ‘I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.’”

September 26, 2007: Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro said, “Sen. Obama said he would do everything possible to end the war in Iraq and emphasized the need for a political solution yet he failed to show up to vote for Sen. Biden’s critical amendment to provide a political solution in Iraq.

Are all these statements part of that vaunted experience and wisdom that Obama is looking for in his pick?

And you can add in all his statements in 2002 about the need to go to war to take out Saddam Hussein’s WMD.

Biden on “Meet the Press” in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security… “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.”

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: “Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.”

Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Hussein’s WMDs: “Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued — they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.”

He was against the sort of pull out from Iraq that the Democrats were pushing before the 2006 elections.

Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: “We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out — equally a mistake.”

But then, as he was running for president, he was against the surge and was as convinced as Obama that that would be a mistake. So they both got that one wrong.

On Meet the Press, January 7, 2007, assessing the proposal of a surge of troops to Iraq: “If he surges another 20, 30, or whatever number he’s going to, into Baghdad, it’ll be a tragic mistake, in my view, but, as a practical matter, there’s no way to say, ‘Mr. President, stop.’”

And then Mickey Kaus reminds us of this prize Biden moment from 1987 when he made five boasts about his academic record. And four of them were totally, disprovably false.

He then went on to say that he ”went to law school on a full academic scholarship - the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship,” Mr. Biden said. He also said that he ”ended up in the top half” of his class and won a prize in an international moot court competition. In college, Mr. Biden said in the appearance, he was ”the outstanding student in the political science department” and ”graduated with three degrees from college.”

The moot court thing seems to check out. The other boasts - not so much. He was 76th in a class of 85.

But the real kicker is what he told the guy who seemed to be asking a rather mild question:

The tape, which was made available by C-SPAN in response to a reporter’s request, showed a testy exchange in response to a question about his law school record from a man identified only as ”Frank.” Mr. Biden looked at his questioner and said: ”I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do.”

So now the Democrats have two guys who think they’re smarter than other people and who like to talk a lot. They’re the all arrogant, all talk ticket. Perhaps the McCain people can find that C-Span tape and run clips of the friendly Joe Biden telling some guy he meets in a campaign event that he thinks he has a much higher I.Q. That will go over big.

Joe’s excuse for all the prevarications in that exchange?

‘I exaggerate when I’m angry,” Mr. Biden said, ”but I’ve never gone around telling people things that aren’t true about me.”

Well, except for the four statements that weren’t true.

Sure, McCain graduated near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, but at least he has never pretended otherwise.

Michael Crowley at the New Republic had this profile of Biden back in 2001. Biden was convinced that the man and the moment had arrived. He had the expertise from the Judiciary Committee and the Foreign Relations Committee that would be necessary after 9/11. He had been warning about terrorism back in the 1990s after the Oklahoma bombing. All that is good. And sure, as Crowley points out, the guy goes on and on and on when he talks, but people like him.

Then there is this one anecdote.

At the Tuesday-morning meeting with committee staffers, Biden launches into a stream-of-consciousness monologue about what his committee should be doing, before he finally admits the obvious: “I’m groping here.” Then he hits on an idea: America needs to show the Arab world that we’re not bent on its destruction. “Seems to me this would be a good time to send, no strings attached, a check for $200 million to Iran,” Biden declares. He surveys the table with raised eyebrows, a ‘How do ya like that?’ look on his face.

The staffers sit in silence. Finally somebody ventures a response: “I think they’d send it back.” Then another aide speaks up delicately: “The thing I would worry about is that it would almost look like a publicity stunt.” Still another reminds Biden that an Iranian delegation is in Moscow that very day to discuss a $300 million arms deal with Vladimir Putin that the United States has strongly condemned. But Joe Biden is barely listening anymore. He’s already moved on to something else.

Besides the ludicrousness of the idea of giving a couple of hundred million to Iran, who had never shown any inclination that they were favorably disposed to the United States, doesn’t this vaunted expert on foreign policy realize that the Iranians are not Arabs and so giving them money out of the blue wouldn’t do anything to make Arabs feel better about the U.S.?

With this pick, a fun and fascinating political campaign just got a whole lot more fun. The big story for the next few two and a half months will be whether or not Biden can keep from making any more fun gaffes.– Perhaps, he does have that sort of will power, but he’s never demonstrated it yet.

He’s also going to have to start explaining how Obama didn’t have the experience to be commander in chief a year ago, but having spent a year on the campaign trail, now he’s gained it. Yeah, that will be believable. And if he truly believes that going around in the campaign bubble for a year and a half prepares someone to be the president, then why should we be impressed with Biden’s 35 and a half years in the Senate?

Well, at least Obama-Biden does have a sort of a nice rhythm and ring to it.


http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/23/hello-biden-bye-bye-change/

woah

despite our leadership America will survive

Biden is blunt, hates bullsh!t, and will go after John McCain and the Straight Talk Express.

LOL...Provided he doesn't put his foot in his mouth to much, don't yu mean? LOL

and Obama also stated he chose Biden because he wanted someone to challenge his OWN opinion... Not some yes man thats just gonna follow him around nodding uh-huh.

Is that another way of saying Obama Bin Laden?

McCain: I will go after Bin Laden to the gates of hell to get him.

Obama: You don't have to go that far, John, Bin Laden in in the Pakistan border region.

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Obama: If I had actionable intelligence, I would strike Bin Laden in Pakistan.

McCain: Barack is wrong. Pakistan is a soveriegn nation. We can't strike there.

Well, at least we know that's from the "unfair and unbalanced spin zone."

LOL... so right... hehehe

As ooposed to what...CNN? The Commie News Network?

The king of foot mouth problem besides baby shrub is McCain, so no problem there.

That's cool. Maybe he is not as power hungry as baby shrub, who kept only those able to lie and keep secrets close.

No he didn't????!!!!!!

But Iraq is not a sovereignty????

Figures, more of the babyshrub logic, "I am right, no matter that it doesn't make sense."

So, partnering with someone who has differing views from yours is flip-flopping? That's interesting. Let's keep that in mind when McCain picks a vp.

It's funny but I am going to fondly recall Ronnie now. As president he had advisers who were known to disagree with him. It helped him consider all sides of an issue.

Lincoln had a cabinet that was known to get into heated disputes when analyzing and discussing policy as well.

I would much rather have a president who does not surround himself with yes men. We are a country of diverse opinions and the dem's ticket reflects a little of that that I think.

Very good points. It's not the President alone that is figuring out what to do, they have advisors that lay out options but they make the final decisions.

And don't forget McCains TOP economic advisor Former Sen. Phil Gramm, who was fired by the campaign for calling Americans "whiners" and saying the country was only experiencing a "mental recession."

Isn't Biden the one who made the racist remark about a 7-11 and you have to be Indian to get into one???

Insert foot in mouth tweety-pie Biden.....

I'll save the rest of his 'foot in mouth's' for a later time...more entertaining than all at once....


LINDYY

Just like CNN

NOBAMA!!!!