Dont worry about it. What is happening to you has happened to a lot of very wise people.

They have looked at their religious structures and questioned them.

When the answers made no sense and were illogical, they rejected them.

Ask your questions here and you will get a million sets of answers.

Because to be honest there is no right answer.

As a non-believer, Im happy that there is no right answer. Its an answer that is personal to you.

This is what a belief system should be. Not thrust upon you and the people around you, but developed and examined every day.

Check out Humanism, its a pretty cool place to be.

Sounds like a solid belief to me...lol

I believe that everyone is entitled to my opinion.

I know spider was trying to help you but after I read all this I wanted to run as far as I could to get from the tyranny of it all.

So if you feel this way too, it is okay. There are those of us who understand completely.

We always love your opinion Mirror..lol

In order to believe in the Bible the very first thing you must accept is that God is stupid. There's no doubt about that one at all. Everything the biblical God does is about as stupid as it can be.



Religion is a cop-out for people. When they say, "It's in God's hands", what they really mean is that they refuse to take responsibility for it.



That's the never-ending guilt trip that religious people try to shove onto everyone. If they can make you believe that you're a pathetic worthless sinner they've already dehumanized you and made you much easier to brainwash.

It is utterly disgusting and quite negative to be telling everyone that they are sinners no matter whether they choose to be or not. They use perfectly natural urges to claim that you are a sinner. It's utterly absurd.

In the Bible God tells the people to be fruitful and multiple, then later he has women giving atonements and being spiritually 'cleansed' for their "sin" of having given birth. So it's even a sin to obey the biblical God. It's lose-lose situation. You can't win no matter what you do.

It's a story of the most hateful deceiving deity that mankind has ever dreamed up. It can't possibly be true because it's chock full of blatant contradictions. A supposedly all-powerful God who's at war with a mere fallen angel. That's an oxymoron right there. A supposedly never-changing God who drowns out all of civilization one time, and then sends his only begotten Son to save it the next. Clearly this God can't make up his mind what the hell he wants to do.

And the whole blood sacrifice to appease God for disobedience (sin) is a total sham. Just like you stated, the biblical God is suppose to be an all-wise Fatherly Figure. So why is he asking for blood sacrifices to pay for disobedience of his rules? How wise is it to tell your children that as long as they are willing to slaughter a lamb it's ok to disobey. Imagine if your own parents told you that. As long as you slaughter an animal after having done something bad they'll forgive you for your misconduct. That's not even close to being a wise parent, and what lesson does it teach the children? Clearly that whole thing was a sick perverted superstition of men.

Then later we have God sending his only begotten Son to have men slaughter him to appease God so he can forgive men for being disobedient. Again what sense does that make? What message does that send? God is saying, "Look I may be all-powerful, but I can't forgive disobedience unless I see someone butchered because I'm a sadist who loves to see blood flow. Now I know that I told you people not to kill, but if you'll just take my son here and brutally nail him to a pole then I can forgive you for all your disobedience."

I thought God was supposed to be able to do anything. Yet the book says that he can't even forgive sins until someone butchers a living being. Sounds like a pretty inept deity to me. This was also a God who had supposedly planned all of this from the very beginning. He planned to drown out all of mankind at one point and then to later send his only begotten son to be slaughtered as a sacrificial lamb so that he could forgive mankind later.

IMHO the story is as absurd as a story can possibly be. The biblical God is portray in the Bible to be as unintelligent and undependable as a deity can possibly be. It flies in the very face of what it claims God is supposed to be like.

There's no defending it as having been written by any supreme deity because there is nothing supreme about it. It's totally male-chauvinistic, ignorant, and unwise. It's necessarily a totally manmade myth.

That's my firm conviction based on my own life's experience living in a society that has been plagued by this myth. I have never seen anything positive come from the religion itself. There are some religious people who do good things, but then there are a lot of atheists who do good things too. This religion as a whole simply doesn't instill positive attitude in a society as a whole. On the contrary it just seems to make everyone feel hopelessly guilty and pathetic. It's a religion that claims that it's impossible not to fail our creator. It dooms mankind to be a failure no matter what. The religion proclaims that it's impossible to satisfy God. Impossible. Period. It's a totally hopeless religion. It has completely removed any hope of pleasing God. Even if everyone were to convert to Christianity all the world would be is a bunch of pathetically miserable failures begging for God's forgiveness for having failed him. It's a religion that demands that mankind is a pathetic failure. That's so utterly negative it's nothing short of thoroughly disgusting.

Besides, we already know that Christians love to hate each other more than anything. Just look at how the Catholics and Protestants throw stones at each other, and all the other denominations of Protestantism are constantly arguing with each other. If the entire world were indeed converted to Christianity that would only be the beginning of the real Holy Wars. If anyone has any doubt about that at all, they simply aren't paying much attention.

From my own point of view (and historically) the religion has been the cause of more harm than good. And viewed in it's totality (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) which all arose from the very same mythology the Mediterranean myth not only continues to cause world violence and unrest, but it even threatens to incite people into creating a horrific war that will culminate as a fight over the city of Jerusalem. It's negativity has far outweighed any positive contributions that it can even remotely be associated with it. The sooner mankind moves beyond that medieval superstition and myth the better off all of humanity will be.

So I'm in total agreement with you Shortiemix, the religion is a total failure and a total contradiction in terms of what it claims God is supposed to be like. The very biblical stories themselves fly in the face of the biblical premises of what the God is supposed to be like. There's no indication that the biblical God has any wisdom or parenting skills whatsoever.

And if you think this is an accurate account of Christianity and the God of the bible Shortiemix, I've got some swampland in Florida I'll sell to you real cheap.

I believe that everyone is entitled to my opinion.

spider says:

Everyone knows that sin cannot be in God's presence, but people don't seem to realized that part of God's nature is that his presence destroys sin. Even the angels must use their wings to protect themselves from God's Glory. After the end of the earth, a new earth will be made, which will be where heaven is located. God will dwell on earth with humanity. Sinners would be completely destroyed by God's holy nature, but those who are clothed in righteousness (faith in Jesus) will be safe from the devouring fire.

Will somebody catch that little mirror monkey, I am hungry for some monkey brains.

SpiderCMB:

After the end of the earth, a new earth will be made, which will be where heaven is located

tribo:

thats not correct spider - it says "and i saw a "NEW HEAVEN & a new earth!! seperate not one in the same!

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Sinners would be completely destroyed by God's holy nature? And you ask what about your post is tyrannical? DUH!

Since basically Christianity teaches that everyone is a sinner that means that everyone will be destroyed.

But then you say: UNLESS they believe in Jesus.

Now that can't be true Spider, because the truth about the Jesus story is that Jesus is a fictional Character and that the entire New Testament was written by the Piso family who hated Jews so much they wanted to replace their religion with another one. Also, the story of a crucified savior is a plagiarize tale that so closely resembles the myth of Mithra that some people have said that Jesus and Mithra must be the same character.

So that makes your entire religion moot and the only reason people believe in Jesus is because they believe that threat that if they don't they will be completely destroyed.

Spider wrote:

You are getting a little bit confused here, let me help you out. Everyone is a sinner, but those who are believers will be saved from judgement.

Where do you come up with that?

Jesus said that we will be judged as we judge others. Where does he say that we won't be judged if we believe in him?

You're the great Bible twister. Show me how you twisted Jesus' mouth to make him say this? Point to some verses please where Jesus says that those who believe in him will be saved from judgment.

Because if he does say that, it flies in the face of what he said when he said that we will be judged as we judge others.

It seems to me that it's a pick-and-choose religion. You can make Jesus say whatever the hell you feel like making him say. He's become like a marionette puppet because there are so many contradicting verses you can pick and choose what you want him to be saying.

would anyone here believe and accept jesus as there lord and savior if it were not for these things:


you'll escape eternal punishment in hell roasting alive forever in a lake of fire

you'll go to heaven,

your sins will be or are forgiven no matter what

you'll live in peace for eternity

there will be no pain or suffering

no wars fights or even disagreements

nothing negative what so ever

perfect peace and harmony

or what ever else is promised for ETERNITY!!

If the book just stated that jesus is god and died for your sins and if you accept him you will live with him forever - thats all you get - you and jesus - how many here would do so?

no rewards, no escape from infinite pusnishment, no promises of everlasting peace and harmony, no nothing but just being with jesus - how many?

We love him, because he first loved us.

I don't see what is tyrannical about that, could you explain it to me?



You are getting a little bit confused here, let me help you out. Everyone is a sinner, but those who are believers will be saved from judgement. Christians are sinners, it seems almost like you thought I was saying everyone is a sinner, except Christians, which isn't what I was saying and it's definitely not true.



You are begging the question. You are saying "Christian theology can't be true, because it's not true". It's circular reasoning.

You are getting a little bit confused here, let me help you out. Everyone is a sinner, but those who are believers will be saved from judgement. Christians are sinners, it seems almost like you thought I was saying everyone is a sinner, except Christians, which isn't what I was saying and it's definitely not true.