Yes and I must state (I’m probably dooming myself in this forum) that I am not a believer in Christianity. I tend to lend more credibility to science, evolution and not so much the bible itself. For one thing, I don’t really know anything about it. I’m reading it now just to offer up some kind of debate. So to me, it kind of looks brand new and I’m trying to understand what they are saying. The language is hard. Things are always "good" or they "cometh" or “creepeth". But I have found a few more inconsistencies. If anyone is interested? So bear in mind a contradiction or inconsistent statement to me might be because I do not fully understand what they are trying to convey or they just plain say one thing, then in another vs. say another. I’m sticking with the more obvious problems or illogical statements. Genesis is somewhat problematic to the untrained eye lets just put it that way.

krimsa,

Here's an English translated Bible you might find helpful. It gives the verses in plain English. It also gives nice summaries in boxes describing the major points of each chapter in a given book.

http://www.easyenglish.info/booklist/frontend.htm

Then if you want to see the King James version of the same book you can crosscheck it here:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/

Christians love these debates because it gets eveyone reading the bibles.

That's their secret mission behind debates.

That’s fair. I don’t know I guess the 4 day, first day, thing just confused me. But, it’s not solely that. If it was only that, eh, I probably would have chosen something else but genesis seems like it has no continuity to it? Its doesn’t flow in any sort of pattern. It seems like that game you would play in creative writing class where one person might write a paragraph and then you have to pass the paper on and continue the story? Like someone said, no, that doesn’t make sense, so I will just start anew. Timing on a couple aspects I’m really having trouble with. It’s not consistent at all. Did these people live in like a different reference point as far as when things happened? How long were their days? How many hours? How much faith do I need to have or is there a biblical "key" I can borrow?

Oh no, I was just skim reading and people lived a very long time so that was strange. Here is another sort of weird genesis thing.

Okay first we have trees being created before man was created.

Genesis 1:11-12 (King James Version)

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

Alrighty, now we have man beeing created before trees and shrubs.

Genesis 2:4-9 (King James Version)

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."

Hmmm. These people are a little inconsistent in all this creationism.

I dont know. Its still seems a little out of order to me. I guess part of it might be how we are interpreting what they are saying. Maybe Im expecting it to be linear.

if each human born was cast from heaven to hell by the act of birth, then this would change the perception of many things in biblical text........

if god is each ones own "greater" self from another dimension, this would allow many things to be seen differently as well.........

if god was only the truth of what ones pre-determined path was, and this is known by each ones own "self" from another realm, then this would change many perceptions as well.........

if mans walk upon the earth was also as gathering data for comsumptiom, learning, and not just as physical food, then many things make more completed sense.........

if each human born is as a tree, having two sides as a coin, then also many things have more meaning.........

if all satan is was the potential of the mind of men to create "bad", while learing and advancing thru time, then this would change many percpetions once had........

if all "god" was said to be was only the truth each one contain a piece of within oneself, as each one live a life unique and with a immortal purpose as well as mortal purpose, then greater purpose is contained within all as well, then this would change many percieved meanings within text........

if adam and eve are a description of all men and women for the sake of speaking of one to describe all, then this also change much perception once had...........

if the tree of knowledge of good and evil only be the conscious mind one NEEDS to use to secure many things for self survival, then this also would change the perception of many other meanings, and..............

if the tree of life was only the "heart" of all beings or sometimes also called as the subconscious mind, or the garden within, that whisper from another realm ones own destiny or truth, then this would change MANY THINGS once percieved in ways that cut may others out of having good purpose..........

i am in no way a proponent reading or not reading of scripture, and do not state such things for the intent of proving any text correct or not correct, but rather to prove that all possiblities are possible, and many possibilities have never been contemplated as possible, if they go against some personal interpretation once heard, and rather to voice that all questions and words are beneficial no matter what and who they come from, and can be the only thing that lead to more understanding or wisdom..........

Oh no, I was just skim reading and people lived a very long time so that was strange.

Just for whatever it's worth (not meant to start an argument), many scholars believe that in those early days those lifetimes there were supposed to be in 'years' were probably actually recored as months(or "moonths")

In other words, it was much more likely that they kept track of their age by cycles of the moon, than by actually counting years. There are many reasons for this theory. Men were simply more likely to record time using the moon's phases in ancient times.

So, many scholars believe that somewhere along the way there was simply a mis-translation or mis-understanding of precisely what cycles were being counted.

The important thing is that if you divide those ages by a factor of about 10 or 12 you get pretty 'normal' human life spans. Those are precisely the factors you'd get if you accidently thought that 'months' (or moonths) were years.

Some numbers might have been bad counts too, People are known to make mistakes. They didn't have the modern numerals we have today either. So how literal you take those ages is up to you.

I don’t really care, its fine either way. I think abra put on a better debate (more classically trained) than you did simply because he didn’t lose his temper. You have a tendency to do that and at least now you admit it which is good to hear. It’s also okay to be wrong and learn from someone else. You can never lose focus nor insult others personally or drag their character into it. You will lose credibility that way EVEN when you are making the superior points.

Oh no, I was just skim reading and people lived a very long time so that was strange. Here is another sort of weird genesis thing.

Okay first we have trees being created before man was created.

Genesis 1:11-12 (King James Version)

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

Alrighty, now we have man beeing created before trees and shrubs.

Genesis 2:4-9 (King James Version)

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."

Hmmm. These people are a little inconsistent in all this creationism.

abra.......

or life spans were indeed as they were pronounced, as other text specify that life spans were shortened due to wickedness, and even pronounced them to be decreased to about 120 years........

also seems ironic that there was also later described in text to be a time in future that man would live a thousand years in peace on the earth, as something of a millennium, which specify a 1000 year period as well.........

seems a forever churning wheel of data contained within data, that could have sooooooooo many meanings, lol........