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 You may not need to be saved, but I do.
I want to be redeemed.
What if we all get saved, regardless of getting our parking validation? lol   
I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where unrepentant child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were accepted and lived, would you? GOOD POINT! Thank you for being so wise spider... Love it! |
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You may not need to be saved, but I do.
I want to be redeemed.
Just learn to forgive yourself and you will be redeemed. Thats not good enough. I need more. I cannot forgive sins. I am not a god.
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You may not need to be saved, but I do.
I want to be redeemed.
What if we all get saved, regardless of getting our parking validation? lol
then I'd say you need to join the universal "save being's" and loan co. there you can deposit yourself for an indefinite period of time and withdraw your self any time you choose and there's no taxes on interest accumulated in the mean time. you can also "redeem" yourself by filling out appropriate and simple paperwork with no more than an X on the dotted line.  
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Spidercmb
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You may not need to be saved, but I do.
I want to be redeemed.
What if we all get saved, regardless of getting our parking validation? lol
I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where unrepentant child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were accepted and lived, would you? I doubt if you would even see them Spider. Heaven is a big place and like attracts like in the spirit world, and even in this world. Unless you think about them or are like them, you will never bump into them. That is the law of attraction. It works in Heaven to.
You can't believe that. Children are molested every day, they aren't attracting the molesters, they are being sought out by them. How do you know that? I was once a child and I never ran into a child molester. (I remember coming close once, but I got this strange feeling from this man's look that he had bad intentions and desires.) I believe in reincarnation and Karma. I don't know how it works, and I know many things look very unfair. But life, death and suffering are part of the purpose of this earth game. Don't obsess over the bad you see. JB Your suggestion is very disturbing. You seem to be suggesting that children who are molested wanted to be or that they deserve it. |
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You may not need to be saved, but I do.
I want to be redeemed.
What if we all get saved, regardless of getting our parking validation? lol
I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where unrepentant child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were accepted and lived, would you? I doubt if you would even see them Spider. Heaven is a big place and like attracts like in the spirit world, and even in this world. Unless you think about them or are like them, you will never bump into them. That is the law of attraction. It works in Heaven to.
You can't believe that. Children are molested every day, they aren't attracting the molesters, they are being sought out by them. How do you know that? I was once a child and I never ran into a child molester. (I remember coming close once, but I got this strange feeling from this man's look that he had bad intentions and desires.) I believe in reincarnation and Karma. I don't know how it works, and I know many things look very unfair. But life, death and suffering are part of the purpose of this earth game. Don't obsess over the bad you see. JB You suggestion is very disturbing. so is yours |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 07/30/08 08:49 AM
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I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where unrepentant child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were accepted and lived, would you?
But seriously Spider, I don't think that is going to be a problem. The "unrepentant" will probably not be there. They will have to go back into the system and be reincarnated until they do repent. Perhaps in their next life, for punishment they will be molested as an innocent child. When we are born, we do not remember the crimes of our past lives, but we do retain, in our higher selves, our lessons and a record of all our lives. That is why reincarnation makes sense. JB I'm sorry if it is disturbing. |
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so is yours What is that supposed to mean? You just post random statements like they mean something.
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I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where unrepentant child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were accepted and lived, would you?
But seriously Spider, I don't think that is going to be a problem. The "unrepentant" will probably not be there. They will have to go back into the system and be reincarnated until they do repent. Perhaps in their next life, for punishment they will be molested as an innocent child. When we are born, we do not remember the crimes of our past lives, but we do retain, in our higher selves, our lessons and a record of all our lives. That is why reincarnation makes sense. JB I'm sorry if it is disturbing.
Okay, all of the people at Jericho were murderers who were just getting what they dealed out in a previous life.
Oh, I love the irony. You reject Christianity, but your own convoluted beliefs negate your arguments against Christianity.
Oh, no hard feelings.
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JB
But seriously Spider, I don't think that is going to be a problem. The "unrepentant" will probably not be there. They will have to go back into the system and be reincarnated until they do repent. Perhaps in their next life, for punishment they will be molested as an innocent child. When we are born, we do not remember the crimes of our past lives, but we do retain, in our higher selves, our lessons and a record of all our lives. That is why reincarnation makes sense. JB tribo: ?? - "probably" not be there? what would they learn from bieng molested themselves? especially if they had no memory of what they had been previously? to continue to be reborn over and over ad infiniteum ad nauseum is why i don't agree with those teachings, though i will defend your right to believe them if thats what you believe. but for me i see it as a non truth, in my opinion. |
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so is yours What is that supposed to mean? You just post random statements like they mean something.
spider I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where unrepentant child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were accepted and lived, would you? tribo in response to this comment spider, you in your beliefs would not be having to do this, pointless remark. Jb, has her beliefs though i don't always agree, it is HER belief and as she states she feels she wont have to either. So - as to your remark of her take on things - so is yours. |
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JB But seriously Spider, I don't think that is going to be a problem. The "unrepentant" will probably not be there. They will have to go back into the system and be reincarnated until they do repent. Perhaps in their next life, for punishment they will be molested as an innocent child. When we are born, we do not remember the crimes of our past lives, but we do retain, in our higher selves, our lessons and a record of all our lives. That is why reincarnation makes sense. JB tribo: ?? - "probably" not be there? what would they learn from bieng molested themselves? especially if they had no memory of what they had been previously? to continue to be reborn over and over ad infiniteum ad nauseum is why i don't agree with those teachings, though i will defend your right to believe them if thats what you believe. but for me i see it as a non truth, in my opinion. So is yours.
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I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where unrepentant child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were accepted and lived, would you?
But seriously Spider, I don't think that is going to be a problem. The "unrepentant" will probably not be there. They will have to go back into the system and be reincarnated until they do repent. Perhaps in their next life, for punishment they will be molested as an innocent child. When we are born, we do not remember the crimes of our past lives, but we do retain, in our higher selves, our lessons and a record of all our lives. That is why reincarnation makes sense. JB I'm sorry if it is disturbing.
Okay, all of the people at Jericho were murderers who were just getting what they dealed out in a previous life.
Oh, I love the irony. You reject Christianity, but your own convoluted beliefs negate your arguments against Christianity.
Oh, no hard feelings.
No they don't. BUT Yes I agree that all of the people supposedly who were killed in Jericho, (and in all killing fields) are living out their karma and will be reincarnated. But within the context of Christianity, which does not hold to the idea of reincarnation, these people were just slaughtered and robbed of their only life because they were supposedly "evil" and God was in charge of that slaughter. That is the story I totally reject as bull crap. So my arguments against Christianity are not negated, because Christianity does not teach about reincarnation and in looking at Christianity I do not inject my belief of reincarnation. So I don't understand why or how you could come up with that conclusion unless you now believe in reincarnation too. JB |
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JB But seriously Spider, I don't think that is going to be a problem. The "unrepentant" will probably not be there. They will have to go back into the system and be reincarnated until they do repent. Perhaps in their next life, for punishment they will be molested as an innocent child. When we are born, we do not remember the crimes of our past lives, but we do retain, in our higher selves, our lessons and a record of all our lives. That is why reincarnation makes sense. JB tribo: ?? - "probably" not be there? what would they learn from bieng molested themselves? especially if they had no memory of what they had been previously? to continue to be reborn over and over ad infiniteum ad nauseum is why i don't agree with those teachings, though i will defend your right to believe them if thats what you believe. but for me i see it as a non truth, in my opinion. Because, although we do not remember the crimes of our past lives, we do learn from them on a spiritual level and that wisdom is transmitted to our next life. That is why some people are born with more wisdom and talent than others. They are retaining what they have learned from previous lives. JB |
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I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where unrepentant child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were accepted and lived, would you?
But seriously Spider, I don't think that is going to be a problem. The "unrepentant" will probably not be there. They will have to go back into the system and be reincarnated until they do repent. Perhaps in their next life, for punishment they will be molested as an innocent child. When we are born, we do not remember the crimes of our past lives, but we do retain, in our higher selves, our lessons and a record of all our lives. That is why reincarnation makes sense. JB I'm sorry if it is disturbing.
Okay, all of the people at Jericho were murderers who were just getting what they dealed out in a previous life.
Oh, I love the irony. You reject Christianity, but your own convoluted beliefs negate your arguments against Christianity.
Oh, no hard feelings.
No they don't. BUT Yes I agree that all of the people supposedly who were killed in Jericho, (and in all killing fields) are living out their karma and will be reincarnated. But within the context of Christianity, which does not hold to the idea of reincarnation, these people were just slaughtered and robbed of their only life because they were supposedly "evil" and God was in charge of that slaughter. That is the story I totally reject as bull crap. So my arguments against Christianity are not negated, because Christianity does not teach about reincarnation and in looking at Christianity I do not inject my belief of reincarnation. So I don't understand why or how you could come up with that conclusion unless you now believe in reincarnation too. JB It doesn't matter what I believe, it's what you believe that is important. You believe that children who are molested were molesters in previous lives and deserve to be molested. Therefore, if your beliefs are consistent, then people who are murdered were murderers in previous lives. Since you claim the people in Jericho were murdered... You MUST believe that the people of Jericho deserved to be murdered, because they were murderers in previous lives or your beliefs are inconsistent. Since your beliefs are obviously arbitrary, you will refute this. But if we were having an honest discussion about consistent beliefs, you would have to admit that I have nailed you on this. Strategy of War #28: Give Your Rivals Enough Rope To Hang Themselves |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 07/30/08 09:30 AM
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I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where unrepentant child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were accepted and lived, would you?
But seriously Spider, I don't think that is going to be a problem. The "unrepentant" will probably not be there. They will have to go back into the system and be reincarnated until they do repent. Perhaps in their next life, for punishment they will be molested as an innocent child. When we are born, we do not remember the crimes of our past lives, but we do retain, in our higher selves, our lessons and a record of all our lives. That is why reincarnation makes sense. JB I'm sorry if it is disturbing.
Okay, all of the people at Jericho were murderers who were just getting what they dealed out in a previous life.
Oh, I love the irony. You reject Christianity, but your own convoluted beliefs negate your arguments against Christianity.
Oh, no hard feelings.
No they don't. BUT Yes I agree that all of the people supposedly who were killed in Jericho, (and in all killing fields) are living out their karma and will be reincarnated. But within the context of Christianity, which does not hold to the idea of reincarnation, these people were just slaughtered and robbed of their only life because they were supposedly "evil" and God was in charge of that slaughter. That is the story I totally reject as bull crap. So my arguments against Christianity are not negated, because Christianity does not teach about reincarnation and in looking at Christianity I do not inject my belief of reincarnation. So I don't understand why or how you could come up with that conclusion unless you now believe in reincarnation too. JB It doesn't matter what I believe, it's what you believe that is important. You believe that children who are molested were molesters in previous lives and deserve to be molested. Therefore, if your beliefs are consistent, then people who are murdered were murderers in previous lives. Since you claim the people in Jericho were murdered... You MUST believe that the people of Jericho deserved to be murdered, because they were murderers in previous lives or your beliefs are inconsistent. Since your beliefs are obviously arbitrary, you will refute this. But if we were having an honest discussion about consistent beliefs, you would have to admit that I have nailed you on this. Strategy of War #28: Give Your Rivals Enough Rope To Hang Themselves No you did not nail me on this Spider, because the story of Jericho is cruel slaughter from the stand point of what Christians believe. They were robbed of their only life against their wills. What is wrong about that story is that Christianity does not teach about reincarnation. So when I look at the story, I look at it through the Christian perspective and I see a God who commands his people to slaughter each other. That is what I reject. Even in the eyes of reincarnation, to take a life is a crime that will be paid for ten fold. You cannot take lives without paying for it. It is only when you truly repent for your actions that you are absolved, and then you have learned your spiritual lesson and you will not repeat the crime again because you are a new person from that day forward. That is what "being born again" is all about. It is about learning a lesson for the soul. It is about true repentance. Just saying you are sorry will not work unless you truly are and unless you truly have changed. Then you are absolved. If you are not changed, you will return to learn your lesson. If you are not sorry about killing, you will return to be killed many times over until you learn. Christianity does not tell the true story because they leave out reincarnation. JB |
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Regarding "Karma" and reincarnation, as it relates to the Battle of Jericho which has always been a sore spot for me, and was one of the things that turned me away from Christian thought:
At the time I was taught about the battle of Jericho and other slaughter sanctioned by God, I did not have a belief in reincarnation. Therefore the story did not make sense at all. The Christian belief that we only live one short life then we either go to Hell or Heaven for eternity did not seem fair at all to me either. Now that I loosely understand how karma and reincarnation might work I understand things in this context where there are innocent victims killed or experience other horrific things. I also understand redemption and repentance as I have experienced this myself. It is a total surrender and sincere repentance that changes the soul. It does not require a priest for confession, or a guru to bare your karma, or a savior of your sins to forgive you. It is your own sincere realization and repentance of your crimes, mistakes, errors, (sins as you understand them) which amount to your inability for love and compassion for others. That is being "born again" because it changes the soul energy and direction. JB |
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I believe in reincarnation and Karma. I don't know how it works, and I know many things look very unfair. But life, death and suffering are part of the purpose of this earth game. Don't obsess over the bad you see. JB So let me get this straight. You don't know how it works - but you believe in it? Why? If you don't know how it works - what would lead you to believe it does? You don't know how Christianity works - yet you reject it outright. |
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Eljay:
I don't claim to know the intricate details of how it works. I only have my own opinions on how it works. It makes more sense to me than anything else, that is why I believe in it. I won't go into detail on how I think it might operate in detail, unless people are really interested in my opinions. I don't offer them as gospel or fact. JB |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 07/30/08 10:35 AM
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You don't know how Christianity works - yet you reject it outright.
Christianity doesn't work. That is why I rejected it. It works only in the sense that some people do actually repent. But even in Christianity, if the repentance is not truly sincere, they will be reincarnated until they learn love and compassion for their fellow creatures. Saying that you repent, or saying that you are "born again" or going to Church, or confessing your sins, or getting baptized, will not change your life unless you are sincerely repentant and when you are you will place your life and your soul at the mercy of all that you perceive as God, and you will be a new person. JB |
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You don't know how Christianity works - yet you reject it outright.
Christianity doesn't work. That is why I rejected it. It works only in the sense that some people do actually repent. But even in Christianity, if the repentance is not truly sincere, they will be reincarnated until they learn love and compassion for their fellow creatures. Saying that you repent, or saying that you are "born again" or going to Church, or confessing your sins, or getting baptized, will not change your life unless you are sincerely repentant and when you are you will place your life and your soul at the mercy of all that you perceive as God, and you will be a new person. JB Unless one is sincerely repentant - they are not born again. But what of those who refuse to accept Reincarnation? They are in an endless loop - doomed to spend an eternity never realizing it. Hmmm... sounds like hell to me. Looks like reincarnation doesn't work. |
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