The latter is a true statement. People who don't want to recover, and not only that, use the lifeline, the phonelist as potential candidates to help onto their next relapse.

Last night, I vented onto a fellow member who also has 5 years, and then expressed myself on this issue, hands shaking afterwards. Immediately afterwards, I advised one person I sponsor to stay the f*** away from the person who did it, if he wanted any measure of sobriety. It thouroughly pi$$es me off when someone pulls that $hite on the fellowship, but then again, the person who did it, relapsed a lonely relapse, and got 14 stitches in her nose from falling flat on her face, so who says karma doesn't bite back!

Maybe it's just me but I don't have a clue what your venting about. Someone in AA drank or is about to drink?

We keep our own side of the street clean. Wow a drunk took a drink that never happens. Aks someone with 25 years what they think. We can't and are not exspected to save the world just our asses. Show compassion and carrie the message.

I'm not talking about someone who is relapsing. I'm talking about someone with $hit going right through the phone list explicitly trying to find someone to use with. The message for this kind is to go off alone and use and come back when they're done and to stop fraking with people who really want it. Hell, someone I sponsor relapsed this week after getting 2 months, and the best part of it was that he got humble and took another newcomer chip. He didn't have to relive that promise on page 70.

I am definately a friend of Bill W. This coming November 11 will be 25 years. Yeah, one can use the program for recovery or for the opposite. All any of us really have is today. When we give the chips we always ask the person to come get the chips because we say that you come to recovery and not that recovery comes to you. I am the treasurer of my group. I tried to give the money to a person with more time with me but she gave the money and position back to me. I hope you help with the situation and it gets resolved. I am thankful for the daily reprieve. I just helped a friend from work move. She is a happy drunk that has to breathe through a tube to make her car go. Her boyfriend wasn't a happy drunk and the move was for her and her own place. Helping them to separate didn't help either one of their sobriety but it did help my sobriety.

Ok, I think I get it now. Individual who wants to drink, calling other members, looking for someone to go drink with.
My sponser told me its the sickest, saddest drunks that make it to AA. And just because they get here doesn't mean they will get sober, or stay that way. And further they may get dried out and still continue with some messed up actions.

It's kinda f"d up and funny at the same time. Why call other AA's?? Why not just go out with the old crowd? Maybe it was a cry for help.

No argument on the daily reprieve. It was just a vent session for me on that issue anyway. The good news was just who brought it to the group, even telling on themselves for how it made them think. That's the kind of honesty that I can't help but respect.

I THINK PAGE 479, IN THE 4TH EDITION SUMS IT UP PRETTY GOOD......TAKE A MOMENT AND READ THAT PAGE. IT'S CALLED ACCEPTANCE!!!!!!!


IF I AM TOO BUSY LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING, WHICH IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS ANYWAY........ THEN I AM NOT WORKING ON ME, AND MY ISSUES.


THINK, THINK, THINK

OR IT'S PAGE 442. I DON'T REMEMBER PAGE NUMBERS, I JUST KNOW ITS THERE, AND CAN FIND IT IN THE BOOK.


BUT THEN AGAIN I'M OLD, AND ONLY HAVE TWO BRAIN CELLS, ONE OF WHICH DIED FROM ALCOHOL, AND THE OTHER IS BADLY DAMAGED.

Alcoholics are sick people. It's a desease. If your in recovery, yet hang around big time users, what do you expect.

OK, I HAD TO DO SOME LOOKING LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GIVE WRONG INFORNATION.

THE PAGE ON ACCEPTANCE IN THE BIG BOOK IN EDITIONS 1,2, & 3 IS FOUND ON PAGE 449. IN THE 4TH EDITION IT IS FOUND ON PAGE 417.

I have to agree with the cry for help. I celebrated 6 years on August 1st.

I've known a few that have done the phone list thing, and it was a cry for help. Apparently those people on that phone list forgot the resposibility pledge, and forgot what it's like to want to drink. Fortunately I have been able to be there for a few people that did call me because they were looking to get drunk. The only reason I was able to be there is because I was sober, and had the ability to listen, ask questions and relay my story to them. I don't say this to put a feather in my cap nor to pat myself on the back. Last I checked it's a "We" program and there's no I in we.

Just because we get sober doesn't mean we get well. It only means that for today we have a daily reprieve and that relies solely on my spiritual condition. As long as I have contact with my HP, read my big book, work the steps to the best of my ability, use the tools that I was freely given and have contact with at least one other drunk I might just make it through the day.

There are a lot of people that come into the rooms of AA simply because they have to and not because they want to. There are a few that end up wanting to be there when they've come in because they had to, but it is never guaranteed that they stay unless someone reaches out to them and they hear the message they need to hear. The ones that go back out haven't hit their bottom yet and everyone has a different bottom. It's like an elevator...You can get off on any floor you choose to but some have to go all the way down to the basement in order to come back up.

I almost forgot to add....

Does Love, Patience and Tolerance ring any bells here?

I used to sponsor a guy who did things like that, he'd go use and then hit his phone list after the bar had closed or whatever. Eventually noone would take his calls and he killed some people in a drunk driving accident. His disease won, but it was his choice to continue to use. He never called anyone BEFORE he got all ****ed up. He didn't allow the miracle to happen. This type of thing keeps me going to meetings- 1/07/1988