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Topic: this holy spirit, you say i need?
tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 07/16/08 09:16 AM
to understand the word, so that i can rightly divide what god is saying. Is this the same holy spirit that the catholics, protestants, evangelical, and other of your countless sects and fragmented body also have? How is it then, if this spirit is leading you in all knowledge of gods words and perfect understanding, that you are not a unified body of one? Explain to me why there are so many separate parts of that which your called to as to be "ONE" body of Christ, and yet you are not? Why the division's? Or Am i being misinformed again and there are many different truths your spirit gives out to groups of believers and wants to keep the body dismembered?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 07/16/08 09:19 AM
to understand the word, so that i can rightly divide what god is saying. Is this the same holy spirit that the catholics, protestants, evangelical, and other of your countless sects and fragmented body also have? How is it then, if this spirit is leading you in all knowledge of gods words and perfect understanding, that you are not a unified body of one? Explain to me why there are so many separate parts of that which your called to as to be "ONE" body of Christ, and yet you are not? Why the division's? Or Am i being misinformed again and there are many different truths your spirit gives out to groups of believers and wants to keep the body dismembered? Two reasons: Romans 14 and human nature.

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 07/16/08 09:28 AM Edited by Peccy on Wed 07/16/08 09:28 AM
to understand the word, so that i can rightly divide what god is saying. Is this the same holy spirit that the catholics, protestants, evangelical, and other of your countless sects and fragmented body also have? How is it then, if this spirit is leading you in all knowledge of gods words and perfect understanding, that you are not a unified body of one? Explain to me why there are so many separate parts of that which your called to as to be "ONE" body of Christ, and yet you are not? Why the division's? Or Am i being misinformed again and there are many different truths your spirit gives out to groups of believers and wants to keep the body dismembered? Two reasons: Romans 14 and human nature. I'll buy human nature, but not an outdated, unproven text written by men.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 07/16/08 09:30 AM Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 07/16/08 09:36 AM
I'll buy human nature, but not an outdated, unproven text written by men. Classics don't go out of date...Historians have yet to disprove a historical event described in the Bible, I'm not sure what more evidence you are waiting for before you decide it's "proven".

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 07/16/08 09:35 AM
lol........I'd rather have an independent thought, than simply follow the herds of sheep that actually believe that there is an invisible man in the sky who watches billions.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 07/16/08 09:38 AM
to understand the word, so that i can rightly divide what god is saying. Is this the same holy spirit that the catholics, protestants, evangelical, and other of your countless sects and fragmented body also have? How is it then, if this spirit is leading you in all knowledge of gods words and perfect understanding, that you are not a unified body of one? Explain to me why there are so many separate parts of that which your called to as to be "ONE" body of Christ, and yet you are not? Why the division's? Or Am i being misinformed again and there are many different truths your spirit gives out to groups of believers and wants to keep the body dismembered? Two reasons: Romans 14 and human nature. As born again spirit filled believer's, should not the same spirit be consistently giving the same info to all? This should not be about human nature but the nature of gods spirit speaking the same thing to all of it body, not dofferently to hundreds of smaller sects of differing beliefs, should it not? what is said in R 14 to make you see differently?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 07/16/08 09:38 AM
lol........I'd rather have an independent thought, than simply follow the herds of sheep that actually believe that there is an invisible man in the sky who watches billions. I don't believe in an invisible man, God isn't a man. We could design a computer system to watch everybody in the world, how do you explain that a machine could do something but an all-powerful God couldn't?

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 07/16/08 09:38 AM
I mean seriously Spider, tell me one prayer that has without a doubt been answered by this "God?"

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 07/16/08 09:41 AM
As born again spirit filled believer's, should not the same spirit be consistently giving the same info to all? This should not be about human nature but the nature of gods spirit speaking the same thing to all of it body, not dofferently to hundreds of smaller sects of differing beliefs, should it not? what is said in R 14 to make you see differently? It doesn't work like that. God knows your strengths and weaknesses. I drink alcohol because I'm not addicted and I don't have an addictive personality (I might have one drink every 3 days). Someone with an addictive personality would feel convicted when drinking alcohol. This applies to most human behavior. What happens is that each church is specifically tailored to a certain type of person. You rarely find one Christian who has always stayed with the same denomination / church. They move around until they find a church that fits perfectly. You will have to read Romans 14 for yourself, this is as much detail as I'm getting into.

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 07/16/08 09:42 AM
lol........I'd rather have an independent thought, than simply follow the herds of sheep that actually believe that there is an invisible man in the sky who watches billions. I don't believe in an invisible man, God isn't a man. We could design a computer system to watch everybody in the world, how do you explain that a machine could do something but an all-powerful God couldn't? Common sense tells me so. That's my explanation. You are incredibly smart Spider, you should be able to see the fallacies here.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 07/16/08 09:42 AM
I mean seriously Spider, tell me one prayer that has without a doubt been answered by this "God?" Now you have changed the topic again. Acknowledge my point about God being able to watch billions of people and we can move on to this new topic.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 07/16/08 09:43 AM
lol........I'd rather have an independent thought, than simply follow the herds of sheep that actually believe that there is an invisible man in the sky who watches billions. I don't believe in an invisible man, God isn't a man. We could design a computer system to watch everybody in the world, how do you explain that a machine could do something but an all-powerful God couldn't? Common sense tells me so. That's my explanation. You are incredibly smart Spider, you should be able to see the fallacies here. There are no fallacys. The fallacy would be saying "An all-powerful God couldn't observe all of humanity."

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 07/16/08 09:45 AM Edited by Peccy on Wed 07/16/08 09:48 AM
I mean seriously Spider, tell me one prayer that has without a doubt been answered by this "God?" Now you have changed the topic again. Acknowledge my point about God being able to watch billions of people and we can move on to this new topic. I will not acknowledge something I do not believe, just as you won't deny it.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 07/16/08 09:47 AM
I mean seriously Spider, tell me one prayer that has without a doubt been answered by this "God?" Now you have changed the topic again. Acknowledge my point about God being able to watch billions of people and we can move on to this new topic. I will not acknowledge something I do not believe, just as you won't dent it. Explain the logical failing of what I posted. We aren't talking about "Does Peccy believe in the God of Abraham as an all-powerful God", I am stating that an all-powerful God would be capable of observing all humanity. Your position is that an all-powerful God could not observe all of humanity. Please offer some arguments to support your position.

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 07/16/08 09:47 AM
lol........I'd rather have an independent thought, than simply follow the herds of sheep that actually believe that there is an invisible man in the sky who watches billions. I don't believe in an invisible man, God isn't a man. We could design a computer system to watch everybody in the world, how do you explain that a machine could do something but an all-powerful God couldn't? Common sense tells me so. That's my explanation. You are incredibly smart Spider, you should be able to see the fallacies here. There are no fallacys. The fallacy would be saying "An all-powerful God couldn't observe all of humanity." The fallacy is actually believing such a being exist with nothing to back up your opinions but faith.............lol

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 07/16/08 09:49 AM Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 07/16/08 09:50 AM
The fallacy is actually believing such a being exist with nothing to back up your opinions but faith.............lol Where did the universe come from? No matter what you believe in (God, naturalism, Pantheism, etc) it all comes down to faith, because we don't have proof. So if you have a belief on the subject of how the universe was created, how life came about, why we are here, it is entirely a faith based belief. It seems a little hypocritical to criticize someone for having faith in one belief, when you yourself have faith in another belief.

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 07/16/08 09:50 AM
I mean seriously Spider, tell me one prayer that has without a doubt been answered by this "God?" Now you have changed the topic again. Acknowledge my point about God being able to watch billions of people and we can move on to this new topic. I will not acknowledge something I do not believe, just as you won't dent it. Explain the logical failing of what I posted. We aren't talking about "Does Peccy believe in the God of Abraham as an all-powerful God", I am stating that an all-powerful God would be capable of observing all humanity. Your position is that an all-powerful God could not observe all of humanity. Please offer some arguments to support your position. My argument is, and always has been common sense.

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 07/16/08 09:52 AM
The fallacy is actually believing such a being exist with nothing to back up your opinions but faith.............lol Where did the universe come from? No matter what you believe in (God, naturalism, Pantheism, etc) it all comes down to faith, because we don't have proof. So if you have a belief on the subject of how the universe was created, how life came about, why we are here, it is entirely a faith based belief. It seems a little hypocritical to criticize someone for having faith in one belief, when you yourself have faith in another belief. I am not so bold as to claim to know. I really do not care. What I do care about is people touting that they do know, when in fact no one knows the real truth.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 07/16/08 09:56 AM
I mean seriously Spider, tell me one prayer that has without a doubt been answered by this "God?" Now you have changed the topic again. Acknowledge my point about God being able to watch billions of people and we can move on to this new topic. I will not acknowledge something I do not believe, just as you won't dent it. Explain the logical failing of what I posted. We aren't talking about "Does Peccy believe in the God of Abraham as an all-powerful God", I am stating that an all-powerful God would be capable of observing all humanity. Your position is that an all-powerful God could not observe all of humanity. Please offer some arguments to support your position. My argument is, and always has been common sense. Thus I win the argument, since you refuse to offer logical arguments. This is the way of these forums, so many depend upon the stupidity of their debating oppoent for them to win. I'm not stupid, so you will need to do better than offer platitudes, specious arugments and witty comebacks to beat me.

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 07/16/08 09:58 AM
The fallacy is actually believing such a being exist with nothing to back up your opinions but faith.............lol Where did the universe come from? No matter what you believe in (God, naturalism, Pantheism, etc) it all comes down to faith, because we don't have proof. So if you have a belief on the subject of how the universe was created, how life came about, why we are here, it is entirely a faith based belief. It seems a little hypocritical to criticize someone for having faith in one belief, when you yourself have faith in another belief. The only faith I have is that the sun will rise tomorrow. Just as it has since recorded time. And why? Because I can see it, it's not simply a theory.