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Edited by
tribo
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Tue 07/15/08 12:56 PM
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The book states that "in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth"? It does not state that god created it from ""nothing"".
It does state clearly though that "Adam" was made from the "earth", the element's, if this is so - where do people get the idea that their god created everything from nothing? Is there scripture to support this? can you point me to it please? And please dont copy and paste 300 vs., i am just looking for ones directly and indisputably stating such as i ask, thnx. |
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The book states that "in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth"? It does not state that god created it from ""nothing"". - where do people get the idea that their god created everything from nothing? To the best of my knowledge this isn't a religious idea. |
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Edited by
tribo
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Tue 07/15/08 01:29 PM
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The book states that "in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth"? It does not state that god created it from ""nothing"". - where do people get the idea that their god created everything from nothing? To the best of my knowledge this isn't a religious idea. That's just my point magik man, if substance was already here for their god to use, then where did the substance come from? - if it's not a religious point then where was it developed? And By whom? My question comes from christians stating in other post that creation means, to them, that god created everything from nothing, so i'm asking where they get this from - show me please?? |
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The abyss, I do believe, came before creation.
Else how could god have moved upon the abyss. As far as if he created from nothing or created from something... what difference does it make... much ado about nothing. Created or not you are breathing in this moment. as am I... Therefore we are. |
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The abyss, I do believe, came before creation. Else how could god have moved upon the abyss. As far as if he created from nothing or created from something... what difference does it make... much ado about nothing. Created or not you are breathing in this moment. as am I... Therefore we are. AB: As far as if he created from nothing or created from something... what difference does it make Tribo: Maybe, maybe not - all depends on who you talk to, or what you've read, it is more a curiosity for me than anything else. I would still like answers to sooth that question, sorry AB, but thnx. |
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That's just my point magik man, if substance was already here for thier god to use, then where did the substance come from? - if it's not a religious point then where was it developed? And By whom? If you have a god then you have a magician. God is a magician. Magicians can pull rabbits out of a hat, or if their really good magicians they can pull rabbits out of nothing.  Once you have a God who is "the creator" then it's moot to ask where God gets his raw materials. The question of how anything could have come from nothing is actually a philosophical or logical question more so than a religious one. And it even applies to gods. If you have a god, then a philosopher will ask how that god came to be. For a pure philosopher the idea that god always existed is a meaningless answer. Of course all of this is based mostly on classical idea where time is thought of as absolute. Today, in light of what we have learned about time, we can see where it's meaningless to talk about anything arising from nothing, because time itself is part of what arises from nothing.  |
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I would still like answers to sooth that question, sorry AB, but thnx. AB did just give you the answer to sooth that question. Just don't worry about it. How more soothing can you get than that? 
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Edited by
tribo
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Tue 07/15/08 02:27 PM
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That's just my point magik man, if substance was already here for thier god to use, then where did the substance come from? - if it's not a religious point then where was it developed? And By whom? If you have a god then you have a magician. God is a magician. Magicians can pull rabbits out of a hat, or if their really good magicians they can pull rabbits out of nothing. Once you have a God who is "the creator" then it's moot to ask where God gets his raw materials. The question of how anything could have come from nothing is actually a philosophical or logical question more so than a religious one. And it even applies to gods. If you have a god, then a philosopher will ask how that god came to be. For a pure philosopher the idea that god always existed is a meaningless answer. Of course all of this is based mostly on classical idea where time is thought of as absolute. Today, in light of what we have learned about time, we can see where it's meaningless to talk about anything arising from nothing, because time itself is part of what arises from nothing. Understood james, im not argueing these point's, i'm just asking them where the concept they seem to hold came from if it is their holding, if not, then your correct - it is a moot point. thnx. CHAZTER: No I do not mean to create matter from energy. ""I mean create something from nothing."" Matter can not be created or destroyed, neither can energy, yet we have both. Where did they come from? ""I say God created them from nothingness for he is outside the laws of physics."" TRIBO: ok chazter - where did you find this? in the book? if so then where? if not - then never mind, ok? ok. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 07/16/08 03:00 AM
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Wed 07/16/08 06:20 AM
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Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1 talks about the creation of the universe. According to Genesis 1, the "beginning" was when God created the heavens and the earth. Since time is a dimension of space and the two are inseperable, "beginning" and "created the heavens" shows that God created the heavens, earth and time at the same time. The heavens and the earth (and time) were created through God's power and not through pre-existing materials, as shown in the following verse... Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. This verse clearly states that matter was made directly by God's power and not from anything that is visible. The Bible doesn't directly state "God created the universe from nothing", but it is strongly implied by both of the quoted scriptures. |
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On a side note, I believe I should point out that...
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin' You gotta have somethin' If you wanna be with me Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin' You gotta have somethin' If you wanna be with me |
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I have no problem accepting that some 'mysteries' in life just can not be solved. I figure it will be a good topic of discussion when I meet God face to face.
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spider:
By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. This verse clearly states that matter was made directly by God's power and not from anything that is visible. The Bible doesn't directly state "God created the universe from nothing", but it is strongly implied by both of the quoted scriptures. Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 07/16/08 06:20 AM tribo: spider we all know now at this time that the universe itself is made up of what appears to all of us as "invisable matter". To state that this is proof of something from nothing, is false. its only saying he "prepared" form unseen things. not made them from nothing. its your take but no proof or even a good example- your strongly - is weakly at best. |
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spider we all know now at this time that the universe itself is made up of what appears to all of us as "invisable matter". To state that this is proof of something from nothing, is false. its only saying he "prepared" form unseen things. not made them from nothing. its your take but no proof or even a good example- your strongly - is weakly at best. The Bible is written in the language of appearance, so talk of visible vs invisible is literally talking about everything we see and what composes what we see. The tiny parts that can't be seen with the naked eye still exist in our universe as a physical presense. The context makes it clear that the difference being made is the phyical vs spiritual worlds. |
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On a side note, I believe I should point out that... Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin' You gotta have somethin' If you wanna be with me Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin' You gotta have somethin' If you wanna be with me I remember when that song first came out. I was in Baltimore. Memories.....
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The obvious answer to this question is that creation came from substance already available.
Nothing cannot have existence. Nothing does not exist. Substance may be "invisible" but it is not nothing. JB |
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The obvious answer to this question is that creation came from substance already available. Nothing cannot have existence. Nothing does not exist. Substance may be "invisible" but it is not nothing. JB just remeber goddess - suoivbo is not something everyone understands - 
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spider we all know now at this time that the universe itself is made up of what appears to all of us as "invisable matter". To state that this is proof of something from nothing, is false. its only saying he "prepared" form unseen things. not made them from nothing. its your take but no proof or even a good example- your strongly - is weakly at best. The Bible is written in the language of appearance, so talk of visible vs invisible is literally talking about everything we see and what composes what we see. The tiny parts that can't be seen with the naked eye still exist in our universe as a physical presense. The context makes it clear that the difference being made is the phyical vs spiritual worlds. OK, but still as you say also- this is no proof that god made something from nothing, but thnx for trying. |
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spider we all know now at this time that the universe itself is made up of what appears to all of us as "invisable matter". To state that this is proof of something from nothing, is false. its only saying he "prepared" form unseen things. not made them from nothing. its your take but no proof or even a good example- your strongly - is weakly at best. The Bible is written in the language of appearance, so talk of visible vs invisible is literally talking about everything we see and what composes what we see. The tiny parts that can't be seen with the naked eye still exist in our universe as a physical presense. The context makes it clear that the difference being made is the phyical vs spiritual worlds. OK, but still as you say also- this is no proof that god made something from nothing, but thnx for trying. But the Bible states God did create the universe from nothing. That's the point I was making. |
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The book states that "in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth"? It does not state that god created it from ""nothing"". - where do people get the idea that their god created everything from nothing? To the best of my knowledge this isn't a religious idea. By if we expend our thoughts to the beginning of everything ; something must have come from nothing : we go back..........to zero time . Of course that will include the one or ones who created humans and more . The complex issue with no answer is the fact that in science nothing can not create something let alone something as huge as the universe . |
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