Topic: ARG. Politic articles.
Moondark's photo
Fri 07/04/08 12:04 PM
I read a couple of sources that give me many articles on both sides. So I try to get at much balanced info. But some days, i come here and see political threads that make me think some people read nothing but republican sponsored and approved articles or democratic sponsored and approved articles.

Re Opama's apparent flip-floping.

This is a republican accusation and some some liberals are rather annoyed at some of the language being used that indicates he is moving to a slightly more centric rhetoric.

But moving a bit more to the center is not the same as a flip-flop. And most of the political analysts that are also looking at the articles and speeches pretty much agree that thought the rhetoric is moving more centric, none of them believe that Obama is becoming more centric. He is altering language usage to appeal to a more broader base.

He is also recongnizing the fact that although he may really want to do things in a certain way, the fact is that it might be much harder to accomplish it in the way he wants to or as fast as he would like to if he does win the white house. He is trying to put a little bit of realism into what he is saying, without totally giving up on his idealism.

Now if you call having to wear a silly little pin flip-floping, go to MSN.com and to their election 2008 link and read the article about the history of using "patriotism" as a political beating stick during elections and you will realize how silly it is.

The usage of that pin became sometime to represent that you supported the president's views, actions, and ideals in sending more and more people over to Vietnam. I find it terribly ironic that at this particular time, he was so critisiced for not wearing one. Given the other parallels between Iraq and Vietnam wars.

But when you take into account that it is a truly minor thing to do in order to shut people up who want to side track other people from real issues, I can understand him starting to wear the pin. So people can be pulled back to the real issues at hand. Rather than spending so much time discussing why he wears a pin or doesn't wear a pin.


Moondark's photo
Fri 07/04/08 12:10 PM
Dang, got sidetracked. Back to my point. I figure it I really want a true image of the political arena, I need to read as many articles for and against both sides and trying to find sources that have the least bias one way or another.

But so often, it looks like people are reading only one side and then getting up in arms for things based on very skewed information.

Yes, I'm an Obama supporter. That that doesn't mean I'm going to demonize the other candidate. On the other hand. While Obama is making some more centric comments. McCain, who very early on didn't sound half bad, seems to be moving more and more away from his centric leanings and farther and farther right. So ultimately, both are sliding a bit right down the scale and still leaving the distance between them on the bar about the same.

no photo
Fri 07/04/08 12:10 PM
Someone once said:

“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”


JTstrang's photo
Fri 07/04/08 12:19 PM
What I try to do is watch and read all types of political coverage. MSNBC, FOX, CNN, NPR, anything I can read or watch about it to make my own decisions on who I will vote for as the figurehead of our state.

no photo
Fri 07/04/08 12:20 PM
I think McCain has been sliding all over the place all along! I belive he states what people want to hear, regardless of his party's stance. An example would be his comments on global warming. I feel that he is losing credibility and is not genuine.

Obama needs to stay true to his positions and not be moving so close to center either.

I really think that their handlers and campaign managers have a lot to do with this.

JTstrang's photo
Fri 07/04/08 12:23 PM

I think McCain has been sliding all over the place all along! I belive he states what people want to hear, regardless of his party's stance. An example would be his comments on global warming. I feel that he is losing credibility and is not genuine.

Obama needs to stay true to his positions and not be moving so close to center either.

I really think that their handlers and campaign managers have a lot to do with this.



What they talk about and promise in the campaign means nothing after the campaign.
Remember when Bush said he was a compasionate conservative? Compassionate enough to lie us into a war and kill thousands of people unconnected to the tradgedy wave they were riding on.

Quikstepper's photo
Fri 07/04/08 04:41 PM
Edited by Quikstepper on Fri 07/04/08 04:41 PM

Someone once said:

“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”




yeah...probly someone like stalin...or mussolini

JTstrang's photo
Fri 07/04/08 04:59 PM


Someone once said:

“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”




yeah...probly someone like stalin...or mussolini


Wow. just wow.
McCarthy era sound familiar?
Prohibition?
Slavery?
All done under the flag and the cross.
People who do this stuff and call everyone who doesn't go along with it unpatriotic are as bad as Stalin, Mussolini and kind of sounds like HITLER!!!!!

I don't like whiney liberals, but I hate stupid theocratic nationalists.

no photo
Sat 07/05/08 11:11 AM
Edited by leahmarie on Sat 07/05/08 11:17 AM
Moondark ......

Obama is moving to the center, not because he believes in it, but because he knows it is the way to get more votes. When you move to the center for that reason, it is called flip flopping.

Or one can say that Obama is moving to the center to trick the voters into voting for him. As you say this is not flip flopping but being deceitful and dishonest and proving Obama is nothing but a corrupt politician and a liar who will do anything to get votes.

krupa's photo
Sat 07/05/08 12:24 PM
Cool! quite a few people here who sound reasonably intelligent and don't cling to a singular informational source.....I could like it here!