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For me...I look at the athiest belief in this manner: It's like a child who has never known their father (not in the sense of a Christian reborn who now knows their father...but in the sense that they have no memory of ever seeing, speaking, touching, playing with that father.) So...to that child, did they have a father? Who was their father? What did he look like? Why wasn't he there when they needed him? Why should they listen to someone who isn't there? Now logic tells that person that yes...they were created somehow (obviously) but it is impossible to put a face and a name on that creator. very good input. I really appreciate that you showed me a different point of view i didn't think of. Look who is talking here . Mary was a single mother who brought a son out of a wed lock and he was called " God " , the 'king" The " lord ", The " son of god "...etc .  .
Ignorance is arrogant. The truth hurts . A man by any name is a man . Jesus was a man with a penis and an anus . .
I think I missed something...? |
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For me...I look at the athiest belief in this manner: It's like a child who has never known their father (not in the sense of a Christian reborn who now knows their father...but in the sense that they have no memory of ever seeing, speaking, touching, playing with that father.) So...to that child, did they have a father? Who was their father? What did he look like? Why wasn't he there when they needed him? Why should they listen to someone who isn't there? Now logic tells that person that yes...they were created somehow (obviously) but it is impossible to put a face and a name on that creator. very good input. I really appreciate that you showed me a different point of view i didn't think of. Look who is talking here . Mary was a single mother who brought a son out of a wed lock and he was called " God " , the 'king" The " lord ", The " son of god "...etc . .
Ignorance is arrogant. The truth hurts . A man by any name is a man . Jesus was a man with a penis and an anus . .
I think I missed something...? Jesus had a donkey , a horse , a tent and a primitive life . So lucky, some call him their god and saviour . He was killed in blood and could not save his own life and they think he would save them .....!. :
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I really want to respond, however my words would fall on death ears. So for now I am refraining.
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An ignorant can be understood because this individual does not know. It's not his/her fault.
Yet an arrogant chooses to reduce him/herself to the substance of the primates. Therefore, a human should not waste time in the impossible. |
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An ignorant can be understood because this individual does not know. It's not his/her fault. Yet an arrogant chooses to reduce him/herself to the substance of the primates. Therefore, a human should not waste time in the impossible. Who is believing a man is god , a son of god ....etc ?. .
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To me, atheists aren't like rebellious children at all. I choose to look beyond the Bible or religion and use logic, reason, and a simple moral code to dictate my life. I am not rebelling against any god; I simply do not believe one exists. I do not require the boogie man to convince me to go to sleep, Santa to make sure I behave, a book of stories to tell me what is ethical, or a god to act as a father figure to keep me "in line" for the course of my life.
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To me, atheists aren't like rebellious children at all. I choose to look beyond the Bible or religion and use logic, reason, and a simple moral code to dictate my life. I am not rebelling against any god; I simply do not believe one exists. I do not require the boogie man to convince me to go to sleep, Santa to make sure I behave, a book of stories to tell me what is ethical, or a god to act as a father figure to keep me "in line" for the course of my life. Thank you . Logic is supreme . |
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...rules. I'm not talking about anybody in specific. Here is what I think about atheism. (Again I'm talking about atheism not atheists in particular.) Let's say a rebelious kid who hates the rules of the house. As soon as this kid reaches 18 years old (or even before) flees the house because he/she just can't live within his/her parents rule. Ergo, leaving the house is kind of a denial towards his/her parents. As far as I understand God is my Father, so it's absolutely natural for Him to impose certain rules within which I have to live by. After all while a child lives in his/her parents house he/she has to be bound by their rules. The thing with God is that I never leave His house, so I have to follow His commands all my life. Now if I'm a rebelious child and I hate the rules imposed by my Father what is the easy way out denying my Father and leaving Him. After I do that the natural step is finding all the flaws in my Father's rules, which are not His flaws because He is perfect, but these flaws are my own flaws which I try to project towards Him so I have the illusion of being righteous. All these show my arrogance, and my lack of understanding that in the same way I was created by Him, all what is my life and its surroundings is dominated by Him. Just my very own personal view applied to myself, if I were to have to adopt an atheistic position. TLW A person soon grows up and leaves their father in a normal family relationship. They learn responsibility and they begin to make their own rules for their life. The same happens to people on the spiritual level. People don't need the idea of a god father image to tell them what is right or wrong when they have grown up spiritually. I suppose in some cultures families stay together and live under the rule of a elder. But not in our society. People are expected to live their own separate lives in general. What ever works for you is what you should do. 
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Edited by
TheLonelyWalker
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Tue 07/01/08 12:52 PM
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...rules. I'm not talking about anybody in specific. Here is what I think about atheism. (Again I'm talking about atheism not atheists in particular.) Let's say a rebelious kid who hates the rules of the house. As soon as this kid reaches 18 years old (or even before) flees the house because he/she just can't live within his/her parents rule. Ergo, leaving the house is kind of a denial towards his/her parents. As far as I understand God is my Father, so it's absolutely natural for Him to impose certain rules within which I have to live by. After all while a child lives in his/her parents house he/she has to be bound by their rules. The thing with God is that I never leave His house, so I have to follow His commands all my life. Now if I'm a rebelious child and I hate the rules imposed by my Father what is the easy way out denying my Father and leaving Him. After I do that the natural step is finding all the flaws in my Father's rules, which are not His flaws because He is perfect, but these flaws are my own flaws which I try to project towards Him so I have the illusion of being righteous. All these show my arrogance, and my lack of understanding that in the same way I was created by Him, all what is my life and its surroundings is dominated by Him. Just my very own personal view applied to myself, if I were to have to adopt an atheistic position. TLW A person soon grows up and leaves their father in a normal family relationship. They learn responsibility and they begin to make their own rules for their life. The same happens to people on the spiritual level. People don't need the idea of a god father image to tell them what is right or wrong when they have grown up spiritually. I suppose in some cultures families stay together and live under the rule of a elder. But not in our society. People are expected to live their own separate lives in general. What ever works for you is what you should do.
I gotta love North American society, so detached. This response makes me think that for some people having children is a duty, and not a gift. If it were for them they wouldn't even have them. very sad, indeed. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 07/01/08 01:41 PM
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I gotta love North American society, so detached.
This response makes me think that for some people having children is a duty, and not a gift. If it were for them they wouldn't even have them. very sad, indeed. I don't understand your response. North American society? Where are you from? Having children is neither a duty or a gift. It depends upon how you view it. You can view it as a duty (some do) or you can view it as a gift (some do that too.) But my point had nothing to do with the duty or the gift of "having children." My point has to do with growing up, becoming independent, becoming adults, being free to make your own life and your own decisions in life without living under the laws of your ancestors or parents. I think it is "sad" that people cling to authority figures their entire lives and never stand up and accept responsibility for making their own rules and their own choices and taking responsibility for their own actions. JB |
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Edited by
TheLonelyWalker
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I gotta love North American society, so detached.
This response makes me think that for some people having children is a duty, and not a gift. If it were for them they wouldn't even have them. very sad, indeed. I don't understand your response. North American society? Where are you from? Having children is neither a duty or a gift. It depends upon how you view it. You can view it as a duty (some do) or you can view it as a gift (some do that too.) But my point had nothing to do with the duty or the gift of "having children." My point has to do with growing up, becoming independent, becoming adults, being free to make your own life and your own decisions in life without living under the laws of your ancestors or parents. I think it is "sad" that people cling to authority figures their entire lives and never stand up and accept responsibility for making their own rules and their own choices and taking responsibility for their own actions. JB i'm from south america. I live in USA, but my home is in Ecuador. what you call "cling to authority figures" i call it respect. This North American society lacks of respect for parents. It seems is the coolest thing for teenagers to yell at their parents. |
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you and me are so different.
thanks God |
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...rules. I'm not talking about anybody in specific. Here is what I think about atheism. (Again I'm talking about atheism not atheists in particular.) Let's say a rebelious kid who hates the rules of the house. As soon as this kid reaches 18 years old (or even before) flees the house because he/she just can't live within his/her parents rule. Ergo, leaving the house is kind of a denial towards his/her parents. As far as I understand God is my Father, so it's absolutely natural for Him to impose certain rules within which I have to live by. After all while a child lives in his/her parents house he/she has to be bound by their rules. The thing with God is that I never leave His house, so I have to follow His commands all my life. Now if I'm a rebelious child and I hate the rules imposed by my Father what is the easy way out denying my Father and leaving Him. TLW well to make this senerio fair ...the kid may have left the house because his father was threatening him that if he didn't follow the rules that he will set him on fire with napalm |
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I gotta love North American society, so detached.
This response makes me think that for some people having children is a duty, and not a gift. If it were for them they wouldn't even have them. very sad, indeed. I don't understand your response. North American society? Where are you from? Having children is neither a duty or a gift. It depends upon how you view it. You can view it as a duty (some do) or you can view it as a gift (some do that too.) But my point had nothing to do with the duty or the gift of "having children." My point has to do with growing up, becoming independent, becoming adults, being free to make your own life and your own decisions in life without living under the laws of your ancestors or parents. I think it is "sad" that people cling to authority figures their entire lives and never stand up and accept responsibility for making their own rules and their own choices and taking responsibility for their own actions. JB i'm from south america. I live in USA, but my home is in Ecuador. what you call "cling to authority figures" i call it respect. This North American society lacks of respect for parents. It seems is the coolest thing for teenagers to yell at their parents. Yes I think some children do lack respect for their parents. Especially when they are teens. But clinging to an authority figure or a parent (following their rules, not being independent) is not "respect for parents." You can live your own life and still have respect for your parents. You should not expect your children to live the way you want them to and believe only the way you do as a sign of respect, and if they want to do otherwise think that they don't respect you. That's not allowing them to grow and be who they want to be. There is no freedom in that. You don't own your children so you should not expect them to be what you desire them to be. They are their own person and they should be free to follow their own dream. Also, you don't live your life to please your parents. They may want you to be a doctor or lawyer and you may want to be something else. They my expect you to take over the family business, and you may want to do something different. Everyone is a free soul. JB |
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Here is what I think about atheism. (Again I'm talking about atheism not atheists in particular.) But atheism as philosophy has nothing to do with being rebellious against rules. Atheism is the belief that there is no supreme creator. It's not a belief about being rebellious agains a supreme creator that they believe to exist. So all I can see is that you view atheism incorrectly. Perhaps you see atheistic people who also are rebellious against rules. But that truly has nothing to do with atheism. Those people just happent to also be rebellious people. Like someone else pointe out, most of the religious rules are also common law. Therefore if a person is breaking the law they aren't merely atheists, but rather they are criminals. 
There are actually a lot of criminal Christians too. In fact that jails are full of criminals who claim to be Christians. |
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Yes I think some children do lack respect for their parents. Especially when they are teens. But clinging to an authority figure or a parent (following their rules, not being independent) is not "respect for parents." You can live your own life and still have respect for your parents. You should not expect your children to live the way you want them to and believe only the way you do as a sign of respect, and if they want to do otherwise think that they don't respect you. That's not allowing them to grow and be who they want to be. There is no freedom in that. You don't own your children so you should not expect them to be what you desire them to be. They are their own person and they should be free to follow their own dream. Also, you don't live your life to please your parents. They may want you to be a doctor or lawyer and you may want to be something else. They my expect you to take over the family business, and you may want to do something different. Everyone is a free soul. JB Heaven needs you JB. God would benefit from your counseling on parenthood. Too bad he didn't have a wife. Mrs. God could have helped him to be a better father too.
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Yes I think some children do lack respect for their parents. Especially when they are teens. But clinging to an authority figure or a parent (following their rules, not being independent) is not "respect for parents." You can live your own life and still have respect for your parents. You should not expect your children to live the way you want them to and believe only the way you do as a sign of respect, and if they want to do otherwise think that they don't respect you. That's not allowing them to grow and be who they want to be. There is no freedom in that. You don't own your children so you should not expect them to be what you desire them to be. They are their own person and they should be free to follow their own dream. Also, you don't live your life to please your parents. They may want you to be a doctor or lawyer and you may want to be something else. They my expect you to take over the family business, and you may want to do something different. Everyone is a free soul. JB Heaven needs you JB. God would benefit from your counseling on parenthood. Too bad he didn't have a wife. Mrs. God could have helped him to be a better father too.
Thanks, but I'm not going to heaven. I'm going to level 27. I have some research to do there at the library. No way would I be a good counselor on parenthood.  Freedom perhaps. But not parenthood.
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Edited by
mass
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Wed 07/02/08 02:58 PM
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There is one fluke in your stated opinion;
You CANNOT DENY a being that is NONEXISTANT! A true Athiest knows there's not a soul out there (like Mr. God) to ignore!!! I mean, ****, I've seen, heard, touched, hated, and loved my parents. And definitely pretended they do not exist. I have never had a chance to parttake in a similar relationship as w/ them to the Lord for the pure and simple fact that "God" only exists in several hundreds of millions of individuals' (if you can call 'em that, after religion's got 'tm by the balls) minds. No where else . Athiesm is not faith or believing, it is KNOWING there is nothing more to it. |
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There is one fluke in your stated opinion; You CANNOT DENY a being that is NONEXISTANT! A true Athiest knows there's not a soul out there (like Mr. God) to ignore!!! I mean, ****, I've seen, heard, touched, hated, and loved my parents. And definitely pretended they do not exist. I have never had a chance to parttake in a similar relationship as w/ them to the Lord for the pure and simple fact that "God" only exists in several hundreds of millions of individuals' (if you can call 'em that, after religion's got 'tm by the balls) minds. No where else . Athiesm is not faith or believing, it is KNOWING there is nothing more to it. Amen. |
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To me, atheists aren't like rebellious children at all. I choose to look beyond the Bible or religion and use logic, reason, and a simple moral code to dictate my life. I am not rebelling against any god; I simply do not believe one exists. I do not require the boogie man to convince me to go to sleep, Santa to make sure I behave, a book of stories to tell me what is ethical, or a god to act as a father figure to keep me "in line" for the course of my life. YES! |
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