Topic: Barack Holds Economic Discussion With Democratic Governors
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Fri 06/20/08 02:22 PM
So there are wealthy people, who are probably normally republican voters that can see that McCain is a moron .... And that makes Obama a bad person? What about Bush and Cheney? backed by some of the biggest corporations in the world and handing out government contracts to companies they will have a stake in once again after they are out of office... Spin that one..

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Fri 06/20/08 02:23 PM

So there are wealthy people, who are probably normally republican voters that can see that McCain is a moron .... And that makes Obama a bad person? What about Bush and Cheney? backed by some of the biggest corporations in the world and handing out government contracts to companies they will have a stake in once again after they are out of office... Spin that one..


I suggest actually reading the articles, especially the last one, before you speak.

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Fri 06/20/08 02:26 PM
First of all I'm not a child, so check your tone... Secondly, I'm not saying Obama is the perfect choice... I am however saying that if you vote for McCain you are a moron hitting the self destruct button on our country...

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Fri 06/20/08 02:26 PM

So there are wealthy people, who are probably normally republican voters that can see that McCain is a moron .... And that makes Obama a bad person? What about Bush and Cheney? backed by some of the biggest corporations in the world and handing out government contracts to companies they will have a stake in once again after they are out of office... Spin that one..



It says it right in the bottom half of the article:

"In a word, access. Unlike Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama is relatively new to national politics and is therefore open to bringing new people — and new money — into the tent. For money types who want a table, or at least to look involved and get an invitation to the right parties, Mr. Obama is the candidate.

As one of the hedge fund managers on the Alpha list said, “To be in Hillary’s inner circle, you had to be giving a decade ago, when Bill was president.” The same goes for Mr. McCain." - http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/obama-and-the-hedge-fund-factor/#more-22644

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Fri 06/20/08 02:27 PM


So there are wealthy people, who are probably normally republican voters that can see that McCain is a moron .... And that makes Obama a bad person? What about Bush and Cheney? backed by some of the biggest corporations in the world and handing out government contracts to companies they will have a stake in once again after they are out of office... Spin that one..



It says it right in the bottom half of the article:

"In a word, access. Unlike Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama is relatively new to national politics and is therefore open to bringing new people — and new money — into the tent. For money types who want a table, or at least to look involved and get an invitation to the right parties, Mr. Obama is the candidate.

As one of the hedge fund managers on the Alpha list said, “To be in Hillary’s inner circle, you had to be giving a decade ago, when Bill was president.” The same goes for Mr. McCain." - http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/obama-and-the-hedge-fund-factor/#more-22644


So, in other words, they are doing this solely to get into the inner circles, power trip, and want to get into all the cool new parties.

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Fri 06/20/08 02:28 PM
that has been going on since the beginning of politics.. Have you ever heard of Lobbying? you need some common sense lessons on government..

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Fri 06/20/08 02:30 PM
Edited by Troyd879 on Fri 06/20/08 02:30 PM
Yeah, thanks for the translation, but I got it the first time... I don't need you to decipher the vomit/propaganda you are throwing at me..

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Fri 06/20/08 02:33 PM

Yeah, thanks for the translation, but I got it the first time... I don't need you to decipher the vomit/propaganda you are throwing at me..


Vomit and propaganda? What the heck are you talking about? So the truth, when it comes to link to Obama, is vomit and propaganda no matter what it is? I used only four, of the MANY sources I could have that told the exact same tale. And yet, huh? I can understand you are getting defensive cause you took the wrong side of the truth, but sheesh.

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Fri 06/20/08 02:34 PM
We shall agree to disagree..

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Fri 06/20/08 03:21 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 06/20/08 03:23 PM

Let's see how you can spin this one.


What is there to spin?

Are Hedge funds corporate lobbyists? No!
Are hedge funds illegal? No!

Are Hedge fund profits taxed? Yes!
Are Hedge funds owned or operated by Corporations? No!

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Fri 06/20/08 03:23 PM


Let's see how you can spin this one.


What is there to spin?

Are Hedge funds corporate lobbyists? No!
Are hedge funds illegal? No!

Are Hedge fund profits taxed? Yes!


That's it? That is all you have after all that time?

Should I post the list of lobbyists linked to Obama for ya next? Or, do you want to do a bit of research on your own about this man for once?

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Fri 06/20/08 03:26 PM
Ive been busy!

Hedge funds are unregulated!
They are a group of private investers!
They arent owned by corporations.
They aare very risky!
Do you know what a Hedge fund is?
Really?

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Fri 06/20/08 03:26 PM
Eventually, all you'll have left is, well, at least he's not old!

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Fri 06/20/08 03:29 PM
Hedge fund managers are not Washington Lobbyists.

I suggest you read up on them your self!

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Fri 06/20/08 03:29 PM

Ive been busy!

Hedge funds are unregulated!
They are a group of private investers!
They arent owned by corporations.
They aare very risky!
Do you know what a Hedge fund is?
Really?


Oh well if you are too busy then, although you did do background checks into all the authors of the articles (which I doubt you did), then maybe I should just post all the lobbyists he is linked to and the corporations funding his campaign as well.


Gravel singled out Obama fundraiser, Robert Wolf, America's chairman for Swiss-based UBS Investment Bank, which Gravel criticized as "a foreign-owned bank" with "lobbyists in Washington." Employees of UBS have given at least $142,000 to the Obama campaign." - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070725obama,1,5894874.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout

One bank whose employees have donated $142,000. Who knows how many of them donated the top limit of $2,300.

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Fri 06/20/08 03:29 PM

Hedge fund managers are not Washington Lobbyists.

I suggest you read up on them your self!


Never said they were.

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Fri 06/20/08 03:36 PM

Eventually, all you'll have left is, well, at least he's not old!


All you have is smoke and mirrors!
Nobody is buying it but the 28% Bushies that are left in this country sailor!

Everybody is sick of the Bushies and the Republicans have nothing to offer but another Bush!
A flip flopping old man. A has been who offers nothing different than the same old crap we've had for 8 yrs.
The same old crap that has destroyed Americas reputation around the world and the economy at home!

They have already lost the election. They might as well go ahead concede and save them self the embarrassment that's coming in Nov.

bigsmile

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Fri 06/20/08 03:40 PM
Barack and Lobbyists and PACS:

"In Obama's eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns -- $296,000 of $461,000 -- came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records" - http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/


"Nufarm wasn't the only beneficiary of Obama's efforts to reduce customs fees and duties. In early May of 2006, two Washington lobbyists registered to work on behalf of Astellas Pharma, a Japanese-owned drug company which also has offices in Illinois.

The lobbyists' task? "Introduce legislation to temporarily suspend customs duties for the importation of a pharmaceutical ingredient," they wrote on their lobbying forms. Less than three weeks later, the men had earned their $20,000 fee, thanks to Obama. On May 26, he introduced S. 3155, a bill specifically exempting Astellas' key ingredient from tariff payments. The bill cost the federal government more than $1 million in lost revenue, according to government estimates.

Together, Obama's obscure measures -- known as tariff suspensions -- steered more than $12 million away from federal coffers, according to government estimates." - http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/despite-rhetori.html


I could just keep on going.

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Fri 06/20/08 03:42 PM


Eventually, all you'll have left is, well, at least he's not old!


All you have is smoke and mirrors!
Nobody is buying it but the 28% Bushies that are left in this country sailor!

Everybody is sick of the Bushies and the Republicans have nothing to offer but another Bush!
A flip flopping old man. A has been who offers nothing different than the same old crap we've had for 8 yrs.
The same old crap that has destroyed Americas reputation around the world and the economy at home!

They have already lost the election. They might as well go ahead concede and save them self the embarrassment that's coming in Nov.

bigsmile


Talk about smoke and mirrors.

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Fri 06/20/08 03:48 PM
All you are doing is bringing up the standard method of campaigning in the past. All Politicians have been doing that for years!
The difference is that McCain still does it. While Obama is about real change!

It's been less than two days since he crossed the delegate threshold to become the Democratic presidential nominee and Sen. Barack Obama's mark on the party is already being felt.

On Good Morning America Thursday, ABC News' Chief Washington Correspondent George Stephanopoulos reported "the Democratic National Committee will no longer accept contributions from federal lobbyists, will no longer take contributions from PACs" in keeping with Obama's well-publicized policy.


"The DNC and the Obama Campaign are unified and working together to elect Barack Obama as the next president of the United States. Our presumptive nominee has pledged not to take donations from Washington lobbyists and from today going forward the DNC makes that pledge as well," said Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. "Senator Obama has promised to change the way things are done in Washington and this step is a sure sign of his commitment. The American people's priorities will set the agenda in an Obama Administration, not the special interests."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/obamas-in-control-no-more_n_105407.html