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franshade Joined Tue 07/24/07 Posts: 24704	Thu 06/19/08 01:17 PM
her antelopes sorry I am just in rare form today don t be sorry ok

lcjw Joined Thu 10/11/07 Posts: 8594	Thu 06/19/08 01:23 PM
less jobs for us Are you wiling to do the much, much, much less than glamorous jobs they do? For instance mow yards in 100 degree heath? Clean toilets in hotel rooms? Bus tables in a restaurant, and get paid whatever the employer wants to pay you? …… Didn't think so.... pay taxes? they pay taxes, but never get to claim them, like we do..

BigGlenn Joined Thu 11/30/06 Posts: 4877	Thu 06/19/08 01:25 PM
of immigrants? no racism pls. Hey, They keep my shoes from turning green.

wiley Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 19738	Thu 06/19/08 01:38 PM
less jobs for us I wouldn't go that far... IMO alot of the immigrants take jobs many other people aren't willing to do. They also don't complain about it either. i know alot of companys that hire them just because they can pay them cheaper truth is I pay them more cuz they work their azz off a whole lot more than the rest of them ditto Jill...as far as people crying that they are losing their jobs to foreigners...where that may be true of companies manufacturing out of country...but as far as on US soil, my reply is, "The better crew gets the job...period. My last job went to China. The "immigrants" didn't keep it from going there. They helped it along quite nicely.

izzie Joined Wed 02/21/07 Posts: 31834	Thu 06/19/08 01:42 PM
ok i would like to point out that there is a distinct difference in immigrant and illeagal alien... immigrants migrated here legaly.. illeagals did not!!! now which of these are we discussing here.. as my opinions on these 2 groups are vastly differ...

wiley Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 19738	Thu 06/19/08 01:43 PM
All the ones I worked with were legal. Of course the bar for citizenship doesn't seem to be very high. Most of them didn't speak very good English either.

No1sLove Joined Wed 04/16/08 Posts: 10342	Thu 06/19/08 01:46 PM Edited by No1sLove on Thu 06/19/08 01:47 PM
less jobs for us I wouldn't go that far... IMO alot of the immigrants take jobs many other people aren't willing to do. They also don't complain about it either. i know alot of companys that hire them just because they can pay them cheaper truth is I pay them more cuz they work their azz off a whole lot more than the rest of them ditto Jill...as far as people crying that they are losing their jobs to foreigners...where that may be true of companies manufacturing out of country...but as far as on US soil, my reply is, "The better crew gets the job...period. My last job went to China. The "immigrants" didn't keep it from going there. They helped it along quite nicely. See, I'm more likely to blame unfair taxes, the budget and the trade deficit for that...not so much the 6 guys roofing my neighbors house. I am curious why you see it that way? Not trying to debate you...honestly curious of the thoughts behind your conclusion.

elwoodsully Joined Tue 05/01/07 Posts: 7477	Thu 06/19/08 01:47 PM
All the ones I worked with were legal. Of course the bar for citizenship doesn't seem to be very high. Most of them didn't speak very good English either. Well, neither do most of us here, so what's the difference???

wiley Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 19738	Thu 06/19/08 01:50 PM
less jobs for us I wouldn't go that far... IMO alot of the immigrants take jobs many other people aren't willing to do. They also don't complain about it either. i know alot of companys that hire them just because they can pay them cheaper truth is I pay them more cuz they work their azz off a whole lot more than the rest of them ditto Jill...as far as people crying that they are losing their jobs to foreigners...where that may be true of companies manufacturing out of country...but as far as on US soil, my reply is, "The better crew gets the job...period. See, I'm more likely to blame unfair taxes, the budget and the trade deficit for that...not so much the 6 guys roofing my neighbors house. I am curious why you see it that way? Not trying to debate you...honestly curious of the thoughts behind your conclusion. My last job went to China. The "immigrants" didn't keep it from going there. They helped it along quite nicely. Simple enough. A lot of these guys worked alongside me and were at the same meetings I went to regarding production quotas and cost cutting in lieu of moving the business elsewhere. Apparently most of them were either unable to grasp the concept or simply chose to ignore it. Most of them were failing to make their production or scrapping more product or both before they shut the doors. This went on for at least six months prior. Not all, but most of them. Still, can't really expect a whole lot else. You get what you pay for. Cheap labor results in cheap and shoddy work.

wiley Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 19738	Thu 06/19/08 01:51 PM
All the ones I worked with were legal. Of course the bar for citizenship doesn't seem to be very high. Most of them didn't speak very good English either. Well, neither do most of us here, so what's the difference??? It makes a pretty big difference when it's a job requirement and it's overlooked or simply ignored.

Gypsy41 Joined Tue 05/15/07 Posts: 123359	Thu 06/19/08 01:52 PM
USUALLY hard workers is what comes to mind. Rarely do I see an immigrant in the welfare office here.......usually young, able bodied white men in the welfare office line here anyways...

Jill298 Joined Fri 11/09/07 Posts: 16316	Thu 06/19/08 01:58 PM
USUALLY hard workers is what comes to mind. Rarely do I see an immigrant in the welfare office here.......usually young, able bodied white men in the welfare office line here anyways... I don't know what welfare office you're talking about but my mother was a welfare caseworker for many years... and it was damn hard for her to get any men in there they were all hiding from child support

Gypsy41 Joined Tue 05/15/07 Posts: 123359	Thu 06/19/08 02:00 PM
USUALLY hard workers is what comes to mind. Rarely do I see an immigrant in the welfare office here.......usually young, able bodied white men in the welfare office line here anyways... I don't know what welfare office you're talking about but my mother was a welfare caseworker for many years... and it was damn hard for her to get any men in there they were all hiding from child support oHHHHHH here if they are on welfare they dont have to pay child support!!! Thats what my son's dad did and is prolly still on welfare otherwise he owes my son about $50000!!!

DTHRomeo Joined Wed 06/20/07 Posts: 43387	Thu 06/19/08 02:01 PM
of immigrants? no racism pls. Hey, They keep my shoes from turning green. How's that?

Jill298 Joined Fri 11/09/07 Posts: 16316	Thu 06/19/08 02:02 PM
USUALLY hard workers is what comes to mind. Rarely do I see an immigrant in the welfare office here.......usually young, able bodied white men in the welfare office line here anyways... I don't know what welfare office you're talking about but my mother was a welfare caseworker for many years... and it was damn hard for her to get any men in there they were all hiding from child support oHHHHHH here if they are on welfare they dont have to pay child support!!! Thats what my son's dad did and is prolly still on welfare otherwise he owes my son about $50000!!! lol well here they do have to pay unless they are on welfare also... but most of them aren't on it bc they ain't with their baby mama no mo

No1sLove Joined Wed 04/16/08 Posts: 10342	Thu 06/19/08 02:03 PM
less jobs for us I wouldn't go that far... IMO alot of the immigrants take jobs many other people aren't willing to do. They also don't complain about it either. i know alot of companys that hire them just because they can pay them cheaper truth is I pay them more cuz they work their azz off a whole lot more than the rest of them ditto Jill...as far as people crying that they are losing their jobs to foreigners...where that may be true of companies manufacturing out of country...but as far as on US soil, my reply is, "The better crew gets the job...period. See, I'm more likely to blame unfair taxes, the budget and the trade deficit for that...not so much the 6 guys roofing my neighbors house. I am curious why you see it that way? Not trying to debate you...honestly curious of the thoughts behind your conclusion. My last job went to China. The "immigrants" didn't keep it from going there. They helped it along quite nicely. Simple enough. A lot of these guys worked alongside me and were at the same meetings I went to regarding production quotas and cost cutting in lieu of moving the business elsewhere. Apparently most of them were either unable to grasp the concept or simply chose to ignore it. Most of them were failing to make their production or scrapping more product or both before they shut the doors. This went on for at least six months prior. Not all, but most of them. Still, can't really expect a whole lot else. You get what you pay for. Cheap labor results in cheap and shoddy work. I see... so basically a case of hiring under qualified minorities to meet a quota? That does really stink...sorry for you situation. Sorry for bad politics! I am a big believer in American made and made in America...both!

Gypsy41 Joined Tue 05/15/07 Posts: 123359	Thu 06/19/08 02:06 PM
But isnt America supposed to be the land of liberty? the land of the free??? Isnt it a mixture of everyone? whether they are black/white/asian?

wiley Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 19738	Thu 06/19/08 02:07 PM
less jobs for us I wouldn't go that far... IMO alot of the immigrants take jobs many other people aren't willing to do. They also don't complain about it either. i know alot of companys that hire them just because they can pay them cheaper truth is I pay them more cuz they work their azz off a whole lot more than the rest of them ditto Jill...as far as people crying that they are losing their jobs to foreigners...where that may be true of companies manufacturing out of country...but as far as on US soil, my reply is, "The better crew gets the job...period. See, I'm more likely to blame unfair taxes, the budget and the trade deficit for that...not so much the 6 guys roofing my neighbors house. I am curious why you see it that way? Not trying to debate you...honestly curious of the thoughts behind your conclusion. My last job went to China. The "immigrants" didn't keep it from going there. They helped it along quite nicely. Simple enough. A lot of these guys worked alongside me and were at the same meetings I went to regarding production quotas and cost cutting in lieu of moving the business elsewhere. Apparently most of them were either unable to grasp the concept or simply chose to ignore it. Most of them were failing to make their production or scrapping more product or both before they shut the doors. This went on for at least six months prior. Not all, but most of them. Still, can't really expect a whole lot else. You get what you pay for. Cheap labor results in cheap and shoddy work. I see... so basically a case of hiring under qualified minorities to meet a quota? That does really stink...sorry for you situation. Sorry for bad politics! I am a big believer in American made and made in America...both! I don't blame them entirely and don't get me wrong. We had some good people working there as well. One of my ex-coworkers was from Bosnia and literally worked their ass off the entire time they were there in addition to holding down a second job on their off time. But for the most part (and this is why I have a problem with so called EOE) a lot of people there weren't qualified to hold their jobs and shouldn't have been hired in the first place. But in the interest of saving a couple of bucks in the short term, companies seem to let things like that slide.

lifestooshort6 Joined Mon 12/31/07 Posts: 6667	Thu 06/19/08 02:15 PM
less jobs for us I wouldn't go that far... IMO alot of the immigrants take jobs many other people aren't willing to do. They also don't complain about it either. i know alot of companys that hire them just because they can pay them cheaper truth is I pay them more cuz they work their azz off a whole lot more than the rest of them ditto Jill...as far as people crying that they are losing their jobs to foreigners...where that may be true of companies manufacturing out of country...but as far as on US soil, my reply is, "The better crew gets the job...period. My last job went to China. The "immigrants" didn't keep it from going there. They helped it along quite nicely. it's called Globalization, "the immigrants" don't let this happen, your GOVERNMENT does, they want to wipe out the middle class, and so far doing a great job companies want to make products and cut costs to retain profits, they cut costs and the North American people/companies lose out. from a business point of view, makes sense

wiley Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 19738	Thu 06/19/08 02:19 PM
Yeah, except the company already had a plant in China prior to the move and we had actually been outproducing that plant. When that stopped, they simply shifted equipment to the other facility to offset the costs from the waste at our plant. The government had nothing to do with this one. Sorry.