"narrow view" isn't the same as "some view". What you typed meant that Christians are narrow minded. Maybe you didn't type what you meant, but I correctly interpreted your words. I'm not upset, I was just pointing out a bit of hypocracy.

Christians don't worship a false God.
That is totally absurb.

NOW.. you may have people in the church who are not saved yet, and therefore, they are not christians ..yet.
But a Christian will never worship a false God......
simply becasue , a christian knows the Shepherd's Voice.

God says "my sheep hear my voice and the voice of a stranger they will not follow".
Meaning a christian recognizes the Shepherd's voice,and surely won't EVER follow a stranger's voice.
Not if he is truly saved.

But then again ,a christian IS someone who HAS been saved ( born again)....meaning ...that born again christian now also has the Holy Spitrit living in him, to lead and guide him into all truth.

Good nite.

How would one understand what purity (positive) is, if they had not experienced the negative?

How does one know all that is whole if they have not known the unwhole?

Spirit is perpetual and not bio degradable...

I perceive, believe, instinctually know spirit is purity, and man is impurity, all perceived evils, badness, wrongdoings, are man made..

Spirit is whole.

If someone sets aside the teachings of Christ, or even of the creator, and instead follows the teachings of man, or worships the bible or church as an institution that tells them how to behave disregarding the teachings of Christ are they Christians following Christ and worhsiping the creator, or are they worshiping a false god?

If you worship money, are you worshiping a false God?
If you put your work before anything esle..or you worshiping a false God?

Blackbird...ONCE MORE....a christian is someone who is BORN AGAIN....meaning ...a christian will NOT set aside the teachings of Christ, and follw man.....NOT if he is a BORN AGAIN christian...which btw, is the ONLY kind of christian there is!!!

NOW..Blackbird..there ARE some christians, who are in BONDAGE to the letter of the law, but as long as they are born again, they still are christians, and are worshipping the same true God, but are just under LEGALISM.....
and just need to get out of legalistic bondage..but again, they still are christians...IF they have made Jesus their Lord.

Ok well this falls into an area I've been in discussions about on this forum this week.

I personally believe that what is in your mind and what you proffess can be two completely different things. This means that a proffessed Christian, and a true follower of the lessons of Christ can be two different things, or the same thing depending on the person and their application.

Along with that, each person also seems to have different interpretaions about what Christ means to them. It is up to the individual to be a Christian by trying to reflect the teachings of Christ in their heart. I believe simple profession of being Christian is meaningless. The reason I believe this comes from both the story of Cain and Able, and from Matthew 23 where Jesus discusses Pharisees.

True intent, and the content of one's heart, and one's purpose in action means more in the eyes of your God and Christ than false proclaimations. I believe this to mean that what is in one's heart is more important than proffession so although all Christians proffess the same, only those that have true acceptance and truly seek to follow the lessons of Christ are saved. I personally disbelieve the saved by proffesion loophole as the tool of the preachings of man rather than Christ or the Christian God in order to steal people away from the path of truly following Christ.

This is of course, my personal opinion and belief. The bible has quite a bit to say about pride and to be honest we all have the same reason to avoid false pride because it is in essense false. Each person must find their own answers I believe true religion and spirituality both lack a free ticket for anyone.

Romans 10:9

Blackbird, of course one has to mean it in his heart when he confesses Jesus, or ELSE it is just churchiolity...

But were are talking true born again christinas here.not about people who think all they have to do is warm a church pew...and that is all they have to do to become a "chrsitian". No...That does not make one a christian atall...only accepting Jesus and meaning it, makes a man a christian.

Blackbird...,.have you asked Jesus into your heart and meant it?
See..Christianity is not about joining a religion.... it is about joining Jesus.

But the spirits of the darkness and other spirits with no bodies must suck their power from the living souls who are still connected to source. Having a grounded physical body, means you generate or draw your energy from source.

Spirits with no physical body get their energy from those with bodies. People who channel spirits or even speak to the dead will often feel drained afterwards.

I have heard or read many "Christians" saying that worship of anything other than the hebrew god known as "I am" or father or Jesus Christ (not his name either but hey what's in a name that is what Christians call him) is worship of the Devil.

The Devil as defined as Christians would be the angel Lucifer cast out from heaven. If I am wrong here correct me. So far as I know he is independent (is he even known to be a he since angels are without gender?) within himself as a former agent of god running his own show in opposition to god.

Now my question and you can be sure this is non christian spiritual theology so if you are Christian and this next part confuses you that is ok, it's understandable.

Spirits feed off energy. If for any reason the Christians were mislead and rather than following the creator are following a named or identified spirit it draws stregth from their belief which gives it it's power. I understand this is other than what the bible teaches this is spiritual philosophy having to do with independent spirits.

So If this part about spirits feeding off energy is true and the need for followers is based on the need for active recognition and energy to give it power, then wouldn't delcaration of everything of everything other than this narrow view of one spirit as devil worship self defeating by making their own devil stronger than their own god? Christianity is a dominant religion but compared to the rest of the world has fewer numbers so Devil worshipers by the Christian's own definitions would be more numerous and this would by the (theoretical) source of power of spirits be self defeating giving more strength to the devil.

Tap tap...is this thing on? Is anyone hearing this? ok All religion aside regardless of what you follow or believe this question is meant as a question of theological philosphy having nothing to do with the following of Christ, but having to do with concepts that some theorize govern the world of spirits.

Okay, here is my read on what you are saying here. One, because all of those not christian are products of the devil, this makes the world full of devil worshippers, right? Second, the realm of spirits that you speak of is not the realm of the christian version of their god or the angesls for that matter, so for the energy feeding part, it is not connectable.

Most religions MUST teach that theirs is the only true right way, if they did not, then the followers could not feel more enlightened and better than every one else. It is needed in the religion for the mind manipulation.

As for all people outside of christianity being devil worshippers and giving him "power", they would have to acknowledge him as a power first and if you are not christian, you do not believe in the devil, so you cannot give him power.

That is my read on what you wrote. If incorrect in my understanding, sorry.

ok well you have me there...but I always thought the movement towards enlightment was the movement towards right action

Christians don't worship a false God.
That is totally absurb.

NOW.. you may have people in the church who are not saved yet, and therefore, they are not christians ..yet.
But a Christian will never worship a false God......
simply becasue , a christian knows the Shepherd's Voice.

God says "my sheep hear my voice and the voice of a stranger they will not follow".

Meaning a christian recognizes the Shepherd's voice,and surely won't EVER follow a stranger's voice. Not if he is truly saved.

But then again ,a christian IS someone who HAS been saved ( born again)....meaning ...that born again christian now also has the Holy Spitrit living in him, to lead and guide him into all truth.

Of course Christians believe that they worship the one true god.
If they thought their god was a false god they would not worship him.

They could be wrong. The Biblical picture is a picture of a god that passes a law of obedience and says that to disobey him is a "sin" and is punishable by death.

Does that sound like a lovable god to you? It doesn't to me.



There is that "Shepard" reference again. And yet some Christians seem to get annoyed when they are called sheep. (More specifically "blind sheep") Maybe they like to be sheep but don't like to be called "blind sheep."



My cat does that too. He doesn't listen to anyone else.



Saved from what?



What's a holy spitrit?

JB

For this to be about all christians it would assume that all christians think the same. We know this to be wrong by mere fact concerning all of the differences in individual belief. There are the Catholics and the protestants, there is a COE, and many many demoninations and different divisions within denominations. It's obvious that everyone sees things differently.

I am only the enemy if you make me the enemy it's your choice. Just keep in mind that I have the same inherent right to violently defend myself as you do.