If God creates hell and if Jesus is God, then Jesus creates eternal torture and the grand design that routes people to it.

But Christians often say they love Jesus. The reason seems to be that he sacrifices himself to himself to appease himself as a work-around so his believers will be spared the eternal torture he created.

How can you love Jesus, the creator of this system?

Do Christians secretly think it was Satan that created hell?

Or do you believe that hell is really emotional and spiritual torture consisting of eternal separation from Jesus/God?

Then how do you love the creator of eternal emotional/spiritual torture?

Does not such love imply an extremely strange psychological state?

it aint easy being cheesy


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You are only torturing yourself with such an analogy.

I was married to a guy like that once....
((Does not such love imply an extremely strange psychological state?"" And yes...it did.

Kat

Im not torturing myself at all ... I live in paradise.

I abuse myself every now and again, but that's different!

And he is lucky too. He gets to visit friends that I only wish I could see. I hear she is in London?

Kat

Hell was created for the Devil & his angels not us

I am in Egypt now. Living amongst some very pleasant, beautiful people, who smile very easily, take and give a joke very well, and desire nothing more than to keep themselves and their god to themselves.

I teach scuba diving on the beach, and my office environment is wet and full of fish!

Unfortunately technology serves to defeat my physical link to the love of my life, but the connection is always very strong.

Why create the devil then?
If he was all powerful and created the devil, why not destroy him for you?

Thats a bit poo. Create something good, it turns bad, scares the crap outta the kids but you keep it anyway as a reminder of how scary hell can be if the unenlightened kids get out of line.

Thats a bit bully-boy tactics isnt it.

Not actually taking responsibility for your own children's welfare and leaving thm with a murderous child minder!

with all due respect for you Sir. all those questions you have come up are a set of fallacies to justify your non-christian view of the world.
all of them are based upon wrong premises, therefore, it follows that any logic from such premises will just satisfy those who don't believe

Being an atheist, why would you even ask such questions? I mean, why would you care?

JB

Jesus saves! he passes to moses ,moses shoots, he scoooorrresssssss (crowd goes wild)

The Bible does not teach what you have always probally heard. One thing in old English with the start of the KJV version Hell is where u put your potatoes.

Satan was an Arch Angel Beautiful with alot of power over other angels. The scriptures even speak of the earth being the angels playground. Before man was created.

When Satan or who's real name is Helel as all the angels are of a family. This being of El. Just as Clarck kent the Jewish guys used this family of El for his superiority over humans but needed to be good comming from the house of El to not get big headed.

The same is true with Helel he got big headed and wanted to be like the most high. He did not get kicked out of heaven as taught yet as he is the accusser of the brethern and job speaks of Helel and Yahweh speaking about Jobs rightousness.

With this fall of helel and as any group actually does the leader takes his own with him to try and take over.

This is when Yahweh said we will make man of our own image out of the red dirt of the ground.. adam means Red Dirt.

Then him being lonely was given eve as a helpmate. Adam and eve being as children were decieved by Helel. This did not make them terrible as they did not know the secrets of Yahweh but as disobeying children.

yahweh then put them out of the garden and that garden is hidden and gaurded by 2 angels with flaming swords. We even see this being called the Word of Yahweh for us today.

So what do we have. 2 child like people who now know good from evil. We are told to enter the kingdom we must go back to the beginning as when Adam and Eve were and become as children. Not knowing evil basically. forgiving easily not knowing to do someone wrong.

We are here as inheritors of the kingdom. Helel with his knowledge of yahweh still rebelled. So we are here as children in a training ground learning what evil is and rejecting it becomming again as children. Children of Yahweh. Yahshua was not ever an Angel. He has always been a son. We can be adopted sons just by learning to throw evil away and taking the good.

hell is destruction. Some pain yes but quickly over. What about our loved ones. It says at that time all memory of them will be erased from our minds as if they never was.

This is the Elohim of the Scriptures. Pure and Holy. Just and reasonable. He does not wish anyone to perish. be completely destroyed but this must be. Because strife breed contention. Even at the ens of the 1000 year regign of Yahshua men seeing who he is still pick up arms with Helel as he is let loose before his destruction and all those who would rather side with evil than with good.

This training is for us to become obedient sons that evil is wiped out for all eternity. We are a chosen generation. A people who the prophets yearned to see. We just have to believe the scriptures of life and realize they have all truth of reason of good and evil. This is the only way to understand the trials and obsenities and terror in the world we live in. To give us hope of a new beginning. To warn the world with zeal they are going down the wrong path that our forfathers fought and died for are being eliminated each and everyday by men in High Places. trickery to get u to go along with perversion. With real hate that u may not even realize u r doing but your great grand parents would realize it because they could not even fathom the world we live in that so many take as natural. Growing up in a brood of Vipers.

This is what we face and Yahweh's Mercy has given us the answers to truth. The Holy Scriptures to warn us and tell us what to look for.

He and his son are the Most Loving for they know what we need and do not deny anyone who wants to do right..Blessings...Miles

I can't agree with you more. so much truth in your words.