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miles,
If u see my saying put up or shut up as man i would say u r right. just expressing why i would even go into these discussions in the 1st place. I really have not seen anything you have said as a problem.The scriptures will stand whether i am dead or alive. I am nothing but a servant to a king.That has the power of the universe.I try to obey him not out of forced labor but because I know he loves me and I love him. family. just standing up for family. You are right about the arguements. or i would hope an exchanging of beliefs or idea's that all may grow. I have found since last night that after reading some Bio's that the pride that is set forth in thier words about themselves has shown the real reason for debate.. not to strive for truth but to show folly and trickery to send out a message of a fool that others may hear. thats not for me. i want sincere discussion and like i said i have not noticed anything you have done as any problem with me. You find me taking up for pagans many times on these threads not because i agree with them. no it is because it is the right thing to do because so often we get personal with the person not the belief. personally if someone challenges what i believe welcome it. 1 or 2 things are going to happen for me and both are positive. i will find out i am wrong or have over looked something and gained knowledge that away. Or the studying and writing of it brings it to mind and i am stronger in my because of it. Either way it is a win win situation. i read from the same book yet have a total different aspect of it's meaning. I still believe it is devine as others. i just hope we all will open our minds and take in what is good fro us.. Blessings Of Shalom...Miles tribo, you have every right to believe as you will my non goyem friend, but as i say - until the first thing is established - there will bo no good thing accomplished- all men are selfish at heart - saved or unsaved - it is the condition of man - in your belief - jesus will cover you with himself/his righteousness and you will appear to god as holy without blemish, but your not there yet - hahaha - and i see in your word's as well as the rest - an abundence of pride contained within "all" of us - let us work to lessen that pride by not fighting and argueing - peace 
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feralcatlady
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Thu 06/12/08 03:23 PM
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Darwin tried to fool everybody in his book Origin of Species by changing the work KIND to Species. Then lastly, we are encouraged to believe in micro-evolution. This is changes with the KINDS. Animals can produce a whole variety of offspring, long hair, short hair, long legged, short legged, that happens. But the first five are purely religious. Cosmic evolution, chemical evolution, stellar and planetary evolution, organic evolution, macro evolution, are all religion not science. We never have observed any of those in action. So to be a good witness for the Creator and stand firm in a debate, define first what you are debating as far as these evolution theories go? You will find that evolutionist give examples of # 6 only, micro evolution. Changes with the dog family. Problem is the debater usually implies micro-evolution is evidence for the other 5. It is not evidence. The teachers are taught to stress the earth is billions of years old, make sure the kids believe this since the intention is that if you have enough time anything can happen. But if these haven’t happened in all the years man has been observing creation why should anyone believe it is going to happen tomorrow. Don’t you think in science class, we should be teaching science. The results, of clear observations. Things we can observe and test and study and demonstrate. Things like the 1st law of thermodynamics. The scientific law, not theory, tells us “Matter cannot be created or destroyed.” If matter cannot be created or destroyed then how did the world get here? “Were here, you know” So that leaves on 2 choices. 1) Somebody made the world or 2) The world made itself. You can believe the Bible, which says God made the world with his hands, or can believe the humanists who say the world created itself. Humanists regard the universe as “self-existing and not created.” This quote is from the Humanist Manifesto Tenet#1. Well, if the world made itself how could this happen? The devil thought for along time and finally he came up with the big bang theory. It is rather obsurd what is published today and being taught to our kids. “Earth has changed.” In addition to (the planets) physical changes, life too, has evolved on earth.” The word evolved is a very tricky word. There are 6 meanings to the word and only one meaning is scientific. When someone speaks to you regarding evolution ask them what they mean? For some speak of cosmic evolution: The origin of time, space and matter. Also referred to as the Big Bang. Some believe it, I don’t. Then there is chemical evolution: The origin of higher elements from hydrogen the big band was to produce hydrogen and some helium, but how did we get the other 105 elements? Did they evolve? Are we to believe uranium evolved from hydrogen? The 3rd theory is stellar and planetary evolution: The origin of stars and planets. How did the star form? No one has even seen a star form. Scientists don’t even have a clue how a star could form. There are not even good theories on how a star could form. What happens all the time is vona and supernova, and that is when a star explodes. Man is constantly looking into the heavens and we see the stars exploding, not forming. Did you know that there are enough stars that every person on earth could claim 1 trillion stars for their own. Those are the ones we know about, thanks to the Hubble Telescope and fast computers. (psalm 147) tells us the “Lord determines the number of the stars and calls each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit.” Wow he named them all, has anyone named 11 trillion? Fourthly there is organic evolution: the origin of life. Life had to get started from non-living material. Even today, nobody has a clue how that could happen. Then are are told Page 3 about macro-evolution. That is where an animal changes to different kinds of animals. Nobody has ever seen a dog poduce anyting but dogs. The Pretae Hall General Science book say “about 18 to 20 billion years ago all the matter in the universe was concentrated into one very dense, very hot region that may have been smaller then a period on this page. For some unknown reason the region exploded. This explosion called the Big Bang goes on to say this is how the galaxies formed in the universe. By the way universe is form from 2 latin words uni-means single verse- means spoken sentence. Did you know we live in a single spoken sentence? “God said let there be.” But that is so different from the public school science book which says 18 to 20 billion years ago all the matter in the universe was concentrated into a dot on this page. What? That is one crowded dot. Do you see this planet squished into the tip of your pen? That isn’t the end of it. EarthScience text book say after many billions of years, all the matter and energy will once again be packed into a small area. This area may be no longer then the period at the end of this sentence. Then another big bang will occur. Can you believe they cut down a tree to print that? Where’s Al Gore when you need him. Honestly if you believe that then what is the use of living anyway if were just going to explode. Those words are not from the God that loves you, but your enemy who hates you, who says if your are told lies over and over you will believe them. This text book author was brilliant, he says, “Nothing really means nothing.” He said not only would mass and energy disappear, but also space and time. However, physicists theorize that from the state of nothingness the universe began. The universe began in a gigantic explosion. What? He is telling us that one day nothing exploded and here we are. Discover Magazine a few years ago wrote, “The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing, zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nothing nowhere. How is that possible? Ask Alan Guth. His theory of inflation helps explain everything! He went on to say in Scientific American, “We all came from a dot and a dot came from nothing, they call that science. hi deb, read a post i made in general forum called "cosmolgy and cosmologist" this will give you more insite as to other theories more advanced than what you speak of, thnx I think you missed the point....no need. And please read all three of my series on creation vs.. evolution pretty good stuff.... |
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tribo
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Thu 06/12/08 03:51 PM
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Darwin tried to fool everybody in his book Origin of Species by changing the work KIND to Species. Then lastly, we are encouraged to believe in micro-evolution. This is changes with the KINDS. Animals can produce a whole variety of offspring, long hair, short hair, long legged, short legged, that happens. But the first five are purely religious. Cosmic evolution, chemical evolution, stellar and planetary evolution, organic evolution, macro evolution, are all religion not science. We never have observed any of those in action. So to be a good witness for the Creator and stand firm in a debate, define first what you are debating as far as these evolution theories go? You will find that evolutionist give examples of # 6 only, micro evolution. Changes with the dog family. Problem is the debater usually implies micro-evolution is evidence for the other 5. It is not evidence. The teachers are taught to stress the earth is billions of years old, make sure the kids believe this since the intention is that if you have enough time anything can happen. But if these haven’t happened in all the years man has been observing creation why should anyone believe it is going to happen tomorrow. Don’t you think in science class, we should be teaching science. The results, of clear observations. Things we can observe and test and study and demonstrate. Things like the 1st law of thermodynamics. The scientific law, not theory, tells us “Matter cannot be created or destroyed.” If matter cannot be created or destroyed then how did the world get here? “Were here, you know” So that leaves on 2 choices. 1) Somebody made the world or 2) The world made itself. You can believe the Bible, which says God made the world with his hands, or can believe the humanists who say the world created itself. Humanists regard the universe as “self-existing and not created.” This quote is from the Humanist Manifesto Tenet#1. Well, if the world made itself how could this happen? The devil thought for along time and finally he came up with the big bang theory. It is rather obsurd what is published today and being taught to our kids. “Earth has changed.” In addition to (the planets) physical changes, life too, has evolved on earth.” The word evolved is a very tricky word. There are 6 meanings to the word and only one meaning is scientific. When someone speaks to you regarding evolution ask them what they mean? For some speak of cosmic evolution: The origin of time, space and matter. Also referred to as the Big Bang. Some believe it, I don’t. Then there is chemical evolution: The origin of higher elements from hydrogen the big band was to produce hydrogen and some helium, but how did we get the other 105 elements? Did they evolve? Are we to believe uranium evolved from hydrogen? The 3rd theory is stellar and planetary evolution: The origin of stars and planets. How did the star form? No one has even seen a star form. Scientists don’t even have a clue how a star could form. There are not even good theories on how a star could form. What happens all the time is vona and supernova, and that is when a star explodes. Man is constantly looking into the heavens and we see the stars exploding, not forming. Did you know that there are enough stars that every person on earth could claim 1 trillion stars for their own. Those are the ones we know about, thanks to the Hubble Telescope and fast computers. (psalm 147) tells us the “Lord determines the number of the stars and calls each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit.” Wow he named them all, has anyone named 11 trillion? Fourthly there is organic evolution: the origin of life. Life had to get started from non-living material. Even today, nobody has a clue how that could happen. Then are are told Page 3 about macro-evolution. That is where an animal changes to different kinds of animals. Nobody has ever seen a dog poduce anyting but dogs. The Pretae Hall General Science book say “about 18 to 20 billion years ago all the matter in the universe was concentrated into one very dense, very hot region that may have been smaller then a period on this page. For some unknown reason the region exploded. This explosion called the Big Bang goes on to say this is how the galaxies formed in the universe. By the way universe is form from 2 latin words uni-means single verse- means spoken sentence. Did you know we live in a single spoken sentence? “God said let there be.” But that is so different from the public school science book which says 18 to 20 billion years ago all the matter in the universe was concentrated into a dot on this page. What? That is one crowded dot. Do you see this planet squished into the tip of your pen? That isn’t the end of it. EarthScience text book say after many billions of years, all the matter and energy will once again be packed into a small area. This area may be no longer then the period at the end of this sentence. Then another big bang will occur. Can you believe they cut down a tree to print that? Where’s Al Gore when you need him. Honestly if you believe that then what is the use of living anyway if were just going to explode. Those words are not from the God that loves you, but your enemy who hates you, who says if your are told lies over and over you will believe them. This text book author was brilliant, he says, “Nothing really means nothing.” He said not only would mass and energy disappear, but also space and time. However, physicists theorize that from the state of nothingness the universe began. The universe began in a gigantic explosion. What? He is telling us that one day nothing exploded and here we are. Discover Magazine a few years ago wrote, “The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing, zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nothing nowhere. How is that possible? Ask Alan Guth. His theory of inflation helps explain everything! He went on to say in Scientific American, “We all came from a dot and a dot came from nothing, they call that science. hi deb, read a post i made in general forum called "cosmolgy and cosmologist" this will give you more insite as to other theories more advanced than what you speak of, thnx I think you missed the point....no need. And please read all three of my series on creation vs.. evolution pretty good stuff.... ahh - sorry deb - i did not know you were an author and scientist for god  where do i find your writing's here or in the book store?
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 ribo. we see thing comepletly different even when i said the case of a generals orders being fullfilled. I do not take lightly any reference to the scriptures as man made. they are my life. i do not write as i have to most people. but when challenged to either accept a false pretence IMo to let it go or stand up and face it. i take into account many factors of eyes watching. many watch and few post. so its a either put up or shut up situation with what is really believable to whom i am accustomed with. i will be back like has been said much needed sleep.. Shalom...miles You are right Miles you see I think that it can be dangerous even bringing up the Military in comparrison to a religion. The reason for this is that this relation historically has lead to things like the Crusades which were a bloody tragedy for everyone. I believe the purpose of religion if properly applied is to help one reach enlightenment regardless of what religion you subscribe to. I also believe that each person has their own personal religion in their heart even if they subscribe to the beliefs of a larger group, because there may be minor belief variations. Each person per what I think builds their own personal religion in their mind and heart. the Military has no room for varience or belief in interpretation. They do what they are told with a chain of command, and those in religious sects throughout history did not have a mandate to follow god, but the mandates of their religion or church on pain of death. Even if they spoke for what they viewed as the voice of god if it opposed the teachings of the church representing man they were executed. My belief in religion lacks space for military thinking. I honor and respect the order of Military organization, but I believe that applying this oranization and lack of varience or understanding to religion is counter productive. our views of scripture varies I believe. I see scripture as something that in most cases is vulnerable to the mistakes of man in conveyence, translation, and interpretation. Althought original concepts are divine in nature, I believe to claim the men involved in translation or interpretation are to be considered divine representatives of any higher power and incapable of mistakes is likening them to god and worshiping their word rather than the word of "God". I know that this can be a sticky and tricky point. I ask that you understand rather than speaking against concepts conveyed, I am speaking against the belief that every last person involved in the chain of translation, interpretation, and copying of the texts and scriptures was godlike in their perfect implimentation of the scripture. Think of it this way...Some may believe that a divine presense stood over these men guiding them and controlling them. I believe that the contents of the scripture per their personal understanding inspired them (or in some cases someone paid them for their work in one way or another and even in one case we know of told them to translate works to make them say certain things under pain of death). The difference is between inspriation and possesion or control. I believe the lessons were given by Jesus or men trying to represent the word of "God", then written and translated, and coppied by human beings that were doing the best they could per their belief and ability, but were still men rather than gods or divinely controlled. |
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