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The attraction of religion: Its all about forgiveness.
Humans are not perfect enough to forgive each other in all cases. It is difficult if not impossible, to forgive a child molester, serial killer, rapist, torturer or otherwise despicable inhuman behavior some humans have resorted to due to their dysfunctional life, genes or upbringing. Humans are not perfect. Now I understand what the attraction to religion is. As illogical as the doctrine of religions are, the attraction is the need to be forgiven, accepted and loved ~~right now in this life time. The other attraction is the need to become a better person and religions give people the structure and a guideline they need, similar to parents, that they may have lacked in their life. It is not about everlasting life, or eternal hell. It is not about your soul being saved. It is the instant gratification of forgiveness, love and acceptance, no matter what.. that draws and keeps people going back for more religion. They don't care about the questions or problems with the doctrine upon which their faith is based. They ignore the questions, they avoid people who would dare to question these things. They only care about how good it feels to be forgiven and accepted and loved. That is what is really the most important thing to them. This has been my final question, now solved. One that has puzzled me for a long time. I am finished with questions directed at religion. All of my questions have been answered now. I have no more questions on this subject. Now, I ask for forgiveness from those whom I may have offended by my questions. Whether you can forgive me or not is not really a concern to me ~~ because I think the ability to forgive others is one that we all really need to learn and practice. I have asked "God" (whatever that is) to forgive me and I have also forgiven myself for misunderstanding others. I have no more questions about religions. And of course I forgive you all, even though that is a given. sincerely, Jeanniebean |
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Forgiveness is an act of grace. TYVM. At least one of you numbnuts has a clue
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I appreciated reading this. I had not accepted God in my life until later in life, even though He'd been there waiting for years for me to just ask Him to be in it, ask Him for forgiveness. I just told my child the other day that we must forgive ourselves, and ask for God's forgiveness, that we may never forget our sins, but they are forgiven. I told her that even if we can't forgive someone for wrongful deeds, it's that person's business to get with God and God will forgive what we deem unforgivable, as we as humans sometimes cannot.
I'm glad you found out and hope you forever keep your relationship. |
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The attraction of religion: Its all about forgiveness. Humans are not perfect enough to forgive each other in all cases. It is difficult if not impossible, to forgive a child molester, serial killer, rapist, torturer or otherwise despicable inhuman behavior some humans have resorted to due to their dysfunctional life, genes or upbringing. Humans are not perfect. Now I understand what the attraction to religion is. As illogical as the doctrine of religions are, the attraction is the need to be forgiven, accepted and loved ~~right now in this life time. The other attraction is the need to become a better person and religions give people the structure and a guideline they need, similar to parents, that they may have lacked in their life. It is not about everlasting life, or eternal hell. It is not about your soul being saved. It is the instant gratification of forgiveness, love and acceptance, no matter what.. that draws and keeps people going back for more religion. They don't care about the questions or problems with the doctrine upon which their faith is based. They ignore the questions, they avoid people who would dare to question these things. They only care about how good it feels to be forgiven and accepted and loved. That is what is really the most important thing to them. This has been my final question, now solved. One that has puzzled me for a long time. I am finished with questions directed at religion. All of my questions have been answered now. I have no more questions on this subject. Now, I ask for forgiveness from those whom I may have offended by my questions. Whether you can forgive me or not is not really a concern to me ~~ because I think the ability to forgive others is one that we all really need to learn and practice. I have asked "God" (whatever that is) to forgive me and I have also forgiven myself for misunderstanding others. I have no more questions about religions. And of course I forgive you all, even though that is a given. sincerely, Jeanniebean JB  
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I always like the way my uncle (the good Rev Dr. Wayne) explained forgiveness to me. It is that the act is never again brought to mind, never happened, don't know what your talking about. That's something only a god can do, humans are just incapable of that kind of forgiveness.
That's the reason we've always needed gods of some sort, to explain things we don't understand, and to do the things that humans are not capable of. It gives us peace of mind to know the answer to something, and some of us are happy with the idea that "god's got that under control." Others, have a need to find out why something is for themselves, and that's admirable, and also very necessary. Christians have the ultimate set up for god worship. They've got a "we're good" god. All you have to do is say "oops my bad," and his response is always "we're cool." I don't know why so many of them feel the need to go to a building on Sundays to hear just how bad of a life they are leading. Never understood that. I went to church for years (Dad's was a minister) and there is one thing all have in common. You are always doing evil, and there is never any happiness. |
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That's something only a god can do, humans are just incapable of that kind of forgiveness I'll truly never understand these kinds of blanket statements about humans. Who's to say what everyone is capable of. Everyone is not the same. I believe that some humans are indeed quite capable of complete forgiveness like it never happened. In fact, I even claim to be such a human myself. This is why I felt a need to disagree with this sentiment in the first place. |
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That's something only a god can do, humans are just incapable of that kind of forgiveness I'll truly never understand these kinds of blanket statements about humans. Who's to say what everyone is capable of. Everyone is not the same. I believe that some humans are indeed quite capable of complete forgiveness like it never happened. In fact, I even claim to be such a human myself. This is why I felt a need to disagree with this sentiment in the first place. Not all blanket statements are untrue. All humans have skin. Blanket statement, mostly true. The sun shines on ever dog's a** someday. Blanket statement also true. Taking just the one sentence into account, means like a press man, you are misquoting me. The act of blanket forgiveness (to go with the blanket statement) is something a human being is incapable of. (Forgiveness) is that the act is never again brought to mind, never happened, don't know what your talking about. That's something only a god can do, humans are just incapable of that kind of forgiveness. People have memories, we don't forget, can't block out a memory without heavy trauma. People bring up things they say they've forgiven you for. People hold grudges. But to truly blank something from existance, people, can't do it. We may try, might not even let the offense ever be spoken of again, but there is some tongue holding going on, someone remembered. |
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 I saw a movie once where a man lost his memories. He was married to a beautiful woman and noticed she held a grudge against him and treated him real nasty and hateful. He couldn't figure it out because he had forgotten how they had drifted apart and how she had been unfaithful to him and how he too had found someone else to love. Her plan was to murder him and inherit all the marriage assets, so she pretended to be his friend. He had forgotten the past so he was clueless. I think we should practice forgiveness of others for our own sake because to hold a grudge against someone else is only holding dis-ease inside of yourself. But I don't think we should forget things as if they never happened and I don't think that is necessary with true forgiveness because it comes about through understanding. One of the reasons we forget our past lives completely though is so that we can live each life separately without all the baggage. The belief that you can be forgiven (by God) no matter what is necessary for some people to forgive themselves and go on with their new life and their desire to become a better person. If you cannot believe that you can ever be forgiven, then you cannot be forgiven, because the lack of belief is something that you hold inside of you and you cannot forgive yourself either. So this is why non-belief is the one thing that cannot be forgiven. It is the non-belief that you can be forgiven that keeps you from being and feeling and knowing that you are forgiven. You must believe that you are forgiven. JB |
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I saw a movie once where a man lost his memories. He was married to a beautiful woman and noticed she held a grudge against him and treated him real nasty and hateful. He couldn't figure it out because he had forgotten how they had drifted apart and how she had been unfaithful to him and how he too had found someone else to love. Her plan was to murder him and inherit all the marriage assets, so she pretended to be his friend. He had forgotten the past so he was clueless. I think we should practice forgiveness of others for our own sake because to hold a grudge against someone else is only holding dis-ease inside of yourself. But I don't think we should forget things as if they never happened and I don't think that is necessary with true forgiveness because it comes about through understanding. One of the reasons we forget our past lives completely though is so that we can live each life separately without all the baggage. The belief that you can be forgiven (by God) no matter what is necessary for some people to forgive themselves and go on with their new life and their desire to become a better person. If you cannot believe that you can ever be forgiven, then you cannot be forgiven, because the lack of belief is something that you hold inside of you and you cannot forgive yourself either. So this is why non-belief is the one thing that cannot be forgiven. It is the non-belief that you can be forgiven that keeps you from being and feeling and knowing that you are forgiven. You must believe that you are forgiven. JB |
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(Forgiveness) is that the act is never again brought to mind, never happened, don't know what your talking about. That's something only a god can do, humans are just incapable of that kind of forgiveness. People have memories, we don't forget, can't block out a memory without heavy trauma. People bring up things they say they've forgiven you for. People hold grudges. But to truly blank something from existance, people, can't do it. We may try, might not even let the offense ever be spoken of again, but there is some tongue holding going on, someone remembered. Well, again I just disagree with your whole line of thinking. Forgiveness is not the same as forgetfulness. You don't need to forget something to forgive someone. I just don't agree that line of thinking. When they say "Forgive and forget". They don't mean to literally erase it from you mind. "Forget" in this instance simply means not to hold a grudge. You suggest that humans are incapable of that kind of forgiveness. I disagree. I believe they are. You don't need to erase it from your memory to 'forget about it' in the sense of not dwelling on it or holding a grudge. Besides, on another note, wouldn't god "forgetting" something kind of fly in the face of him being all-knowing? If God forgets it then so must everyone else. You can't have humans running around remembering things that God has forgotten about. God supposedly knows every humans' thoughts. So he could hardly forget things that humans still know. He'd have to wipe out all memory of it in their minds too, including the person he is forgiving. So utimately if you were forgiven by God of something then even you wouldn't be able to remember that you had ever done it. That's where that ultimately leads. Personally I think those kinds of purists' ideas of God just aren't reasonsble on any level. Maybe after you die and go to heaven they could be. But then if you forgot everything you ever did that was against God's will you probably wouldn't even be able to remember having ever lived at all. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 06/03/08 09:37 PM
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I think we learn by our mistakes. If you forget them, then you are destined to repeat them. I believe every single thought ever thought is stored (remembered) in the universal mind. Experience is the reason we are here living this life. Every moment is a spiritual awakening. I would not want to have one single moment removed from my memory.
As I forgive myself, I forgive others. We are one. JB
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I think we learn by our mistakes. If you forget them, then you are destined to repeat them. I believe every single thought ever thought is stored (remembered) in the universal mind. Experience is the reason we are here living this life. Every moment is a spiritual awakening. I would not want to have one single moment removed from my memory. As I forgive myself, I forgive others. We are one. JB I like to apologize for not responding to your comment in one of those topics concerning being a Christian. I refuse to identify with what you were explaining to me. The basic premises of that topic: "There is diversity in those who proclaim to be Christians." My thing is if you don't identify, why bother? You did offend some of those folks. If you are firm in what you believe in, no matter how right or wrong you are, it doesn't matter what any one else says about you. Thank you for this topic. Food for thought.
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Forgiveness is like a teaspoon of sugar because it helps to make the medicine go down. I really like that song by Julie Andrews.
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i forgive you JB..
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"Some cling to A cross because they're tired and lost
They leave it up to the weather to measure the cost And everytime I look within I recognize the darkness Familiar to the image of the artist" |
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its about kindness, compassion, forgivness and all those other nice thigns we dont and wont show while we hide behind the were not capable of it at the bibles, christ's or gods level, as if its a competition to surpass them.
its also something people treat as a safety net, the people who fear death, they use it as a safety net telling themselves either everyday or in their final moments: dont be scared heaven awaits, when in real actuality and as depressing as it may be we have no ****ing clue whats waitin for us, whether it be heaven/hell, reincarnation, nothingness each opinion is as valid as the next but like my gpa used to tell me and he worked around a lot of dying people that the ones who truly were religious and "knew" where they were going were the ones who were okay with dying while the others were scared ****less its many good things, unfortunately those many good things get ignored because of our nature of being competitive no one wants to except another religions right to exist so stories that are meant to make THIS WORLD good & peaceful friendly and loving get ignored and we have reality wars over this **** and if your one of those closed minded ****s who cant accept the reality of my words please dont spam my inbox with your "your to young to even know what your talking about blah blah blah bullcrap" [/my two cents lol] |
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The attraction of religion: Its all about forgiveness. Humans are not perfect enough to forgive each other in all cases. It is difficult if not impossible, to forgive a child molester, serial killer, rapist, torturer or otherwise despicable inhuman behavior some humans have resorted to due to their dysfunctional life, genes or upbringing. Humans are not perfect. Now I understand what the attraction to religion is. As illogical as the doctrine of religions are, the attraction is the need to be forgiven, accepted and loved ~~right now in this life time. The other attraction is the need to become a better person and religions give people the structure and a guideline they need, similar to parents, that they may have lacked in their life. It is not about everlasting life, or eternal hell. It is not about your soul being saved. It is the instant gratification of forgiveness, love and acceptance, no matter what.. that draws and keeps people going back for more religion. They don't care about the questions or problems with the doctrine upon which their faith is based. They ignore the questions, they avoid people who would dare to question these things. They only care about how good it feels to be forgiven and accepted and loved. That is what is really the most important thing to them. This has been my final question, now solved. One that has puzzled me for a long time. I am finished with questions directed at religion. All of my questions have been answered now. I have no more questions on this subject. Now, I ask for forgiveness from those whom I may have offended by my questions. Whether you can forgive me or not is not really a concern to me ~~ because I think the ability to forgive others is one that we all really need to learn and practice. I have asked "God" (whatever that is) to forgive me and I have also forgiven myself for misunderstanding others. I have no more questions about religions. And of course I forgive you all, even though that is a given. sincerely, Jeanniebean Well actually JB you got it half right. Once you get the forgiveness from God... it is about forgiveness of sins & in right standing with God Himself. Then there is also power & authority for successful living that you begin to learn of & experience through Christ Jesus. That's a whole other subject for you to think about. |
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(Forgiveness) is that the act is never again brought to mind, never happened, don't know what your talking about. That's something only a god can do, humans are just incapable of that kind of forgiveness. People have memories, we don't forget, can't block out a memory without heavy trauma. People bring up things they say they've forgiven you for. People hold grudges. But to truly blank something from existance, people, can't do it. We may try, might not even let the offense ever be spoken of again, but there is some tongue holding going on, someone remembered. Well, again I just disagree with your whole line of thinking. Forgiveness is not the same as forgetfulness. You don't need to forget something to forgive someone. I just don't agree that line of thinking. When they say "Forgive and forget". They don't mean to literally erase it from you mind. "Forget" in this instance simply means not to hold a grudge. You suggest that humans are incapable of that kind of forgiveness. I disagree. I believe they are. You don't need to erase it from your memory to 'forget about it' in the sense of not dwelling on it or holding a grudge. Besides, on another note, wouldn't god "forgetting" something kind of fly in the face of him being all-knowing? If God forgets it then so must everyone else. You can't have humans running around remembering things that God has forgotten about. God supposedly knows every humans' thoughts. So he could hardly forget things that humans still know. He'd have to wipe out all memory of it in their minds too, including the person he is forgiving. So utimately if you were forgiven by God of something then even you wouldn't be able to remember that you had ever done it. That's where that ultimately leads. Personally I think those kinds of purists' ideas of God just aren't reasonsble on any level. Maybe after you die and go to heaven they could be. But then if you forgot everything you ever did that was against God's will you probably wouldn't even be able to remember having ever lived at all. This concept of (the Christian) god being all knowing and perfect is false. In Exodus Moses chastises god after he leads the jews out of Israel. It literally says in the bible "and God repented." That in and of itself shows error, and disproves his perfection. If he is not perfect, then he cannot be all knowing. Therefor, he can forget, which brings my original premise right back to the front. Also, he is not omnipresent. For the definition of hell it to be taken from the sight of god, which means he cannot see you or recognize your existance. Therefor he isn't "everywhere" either. |
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 I'm tired of being Human,,,,,,I would like to go animal,,,,,,,,So much more fun!!!!
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I'm tired of being Human,,,,,,I would like to go animal,,,,,,,,So much more fun!!!! They will make dinner of you !. .
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