Anybody watching it? I love government and this is making me so excited for this fall!

i love government too.............get screwed from all directions.............

That's right Levin! Let them know that Michigan wont be ignored. Loving him right now. Am i talking to myself?

I love how my party, the Democratic Party, has decided to disenfanchise millions of fellow Democrats from Florida and Michigan. I guess this is the change we were told about, an increase of pork spending and lack of getting anything done in Congress, and the removal of voters rights in two whole states. Great stuff.

Are you watching the hearing? Levin is arguing for MI, he made an excellent case. If you want a truly united party you have to keep forging ahead not being pissed about the past. Michigan and Florida did break the rules but this is a chance to maybe change the rules for better.

Ya just look at it, a place where the opposing party gets to pick your candidate for you. Republicans and Independants voting in Democratic primarys and caucuses. You can't argue with that. Or disenfranchise The Democratic voters in Florida for the states Republican Administration changing the date.

Ya just look at it, a place where the opposing party gets to pick your candidate for you. Republicans and Independants voting in Democratic primarys and caucuses. You can't argue with that. Or disenfranchise The Democratic voters in Florida for the states Republican Administration changing the date.

Democrats can vote in the Republican primarys and caucuses too. The Michigan and Florida Democratic parties decided to move them up and were penalized for it.

I'm waiting for the knives to be withdrawn from the waistbands for the knifefight. Talk about a very intense, tension filled discussion among party officials and members of the party.

Hillary, sheesh

Mich and Fla knew ahead of time and Hillary was the only candidate that campaigned in either state!

She went against her own party then and now she wants to use the voters. I wonder what she would do as President?

She's as delusional as Bush!

And a bad loser!!

Are you for the disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands, millions of Democratic voters in both Michigan and Florida? There should be another primary, that is the ONLY way to truly settle this and make it right. Punishing all Democrats of two states because of party leaders. Is this the CHANGE we've been waiting for?

i agree starsailor.why tell peeps to vote if your not going to count them ?

The Florida Republican congress tacked changing the date for the primary on the bill to get new papertrail voting machines.

Damn I dont agree with this MI hearing. I need a man because this hearing is exciting me.

half votes for the half-assed

G.O.P. Warns on Early Contests
By Sarah Wheaton

As state Republican parties scurry to meet tonight’s deadline for scheduling nominating contests, the national G.O.P. this afternoon warned that it intends to enforce its rules barring additional primaries before Feb. 5 — no exceptions.
Based on rules adopted at the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City, states may hold primaries, caucuses, or otherwise choose delegates between February 5 and July 28, 2008. No states — not even Iowa and New Hampshire — are exempt.
“If a state chooses to go outside the window, they are automatically penalized,” said a R.N.C. official during a conference call with reporters today. “It’s not a may; it’s a shall.”
Unlike in the Democratic Party, the G.O.P. does not have an appeals process for states that break the rules.
If, based on the nominating plans, R.N.C. officials determine a state to be out of bounds, the state will be docked half of its delegates to the national convention. And the party is hitting the state decision-makers where it hurts: the first three delegates that won’t be seated are the state chair and the national committeeman and committeewoman. So far, at least eight states are expected to hold their primaries or caucuses before Feb. 5, exposing them to such penalties, including Wyoming, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Florida and Maine.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/gop-clears-up-primary-window/

Is Hillary serious?
Posted by Lillian Mongeau, Community Writer March 13, 2008 15:54PM
Categories: Lillian Mongeau
I can't even begin to credit Hillary's argument that the delegates in the Michigan and Florida primaries should be seated. I am disappointed in her for even suggesting it. How can you call an election that voters were told wouldn't count, and that candidates did not campaign for, fair? Not to mention, Hillary may have won (since hers was the only name on the ballot) but 55% to 40% is hardly a huge margin when one's opponent is "uncommitted".

Barack Obama, John Edwards, and the other Democratic candidates withdrew their names from the Michigan ballot at the behest of the DNC. Hillary did not. And now she wants to count the votes she got by going against the party's wishes in the first place? She's got to be kidding!

A re-vote is hardly better since it won't come anywhere close to mimicking the first round, back when Edwards was still a serious contender and Obama was still new to the game. And of course there is the irony that holding elections in these large states at the end of the primary would end up giving them more weight than they would have had had their elections at the beginning of the primary been counted. So they would end up getting exactly what they were punished for going after.

The rules of the DNC were clear. Michigan and Florida knowingly violated them. If this was a planned act of civil disobedience as I've heard some state official contend, then they shouldn't be surprised at the results. And crawling back into the game once one has realized one would like to play after all is hardly heroic. It's childish and deserves to be treated as such.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/community_writers/2008/03/is_hillary_serious.html

The State government has nothing to do with the date a primary is scheduled for either party.

Look at the date on this article-Published June 13, 2007


The rules, unanimously passed in 2006 by nearly 450 Democratic party activists across the country - including Florida - are clear and leave little or no leeway for Dean to waive them: Any state that violates the schedule set by the DNC loses half its delegates to the national nominating convention and any candidate who campaigns in that state will forfeit all delegates from that state.

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/13/State/Florida_primary_will_.shtml

If the Florida and Mich Democratic voters feel disenfranchised they have nobody to blame but themselves and their States Party leaders.

Plus,
As the only candidate campaigning in both states she still barely won.

The fact that Hillary was the only Candidate who did not remove her name from the ballots in both States, and her willingness to fork out the funds required to campaign, despite the parties decision to enforce the rules, has to strike someone other than me as a little odd if not an intent by her supporters to take over the party!

I take this statement back!