Infinity: The state of being infinite.

Being: To exist.

God: An infinite being.


What do you suppose Infinity has to do with existence?

absolutely nothing only if 1/0=8sideways

To be infinite is to remain eternally undefined

while being seems to require finite boundaries

Perhaps,in order to be

one must have definition.

forgive me saying but a definition requires the terms used to have all an absolute defined meaning. The definition posed has a flaw and that is word eternal for which the term is undefined. I am sorry to have made a point

If infinity is the state of being infinite (Webster)

then the "being" part of the definition implies that Infinity exists.

If infinity "exists" then it is "something" as apposed to "nothing."

Nothing cannot exist.

Infinity MUST exist.

Infinity is infinite in its existence because it cannot NOT EXIST.

Something MUST exist because NOTHING cannot exist.

That "something" is infinite beingness.

Perhaps Infinity is God.

"Infinity" like "Time are points of references used to measure reality and once the reality is measured infinity and time either freezes dissapates or ends

infinity is use to describe the vastness of a given reality but that doesn't mean the reality doesn't have an end ..

for example

a mayfly has a life span of two weeks
so to a mayfly one year would be infinity
but to a human it would not represent infinity it would only respesent one year

which means that Infinity Time and Numbers doesn't exist beyond it's definition

Humans live inside of a space/time. I believe that infinite space/time is a part of God. God is called "I AM THAT I AM", which means that God is completely self-suffient. So I believe that infinite space/time is a part of God or more accurately infinite space/time exists because God exists. While God isn't space or time, both exist because God does.

Seems reasonable.

Totally irrational and confusing.

Funches will redefine words in an attempt to prove his arguments. There is no point in debating someone like that. Notice that here he confuses hyperbole and reality. "I had to wait in that line forever!" does not mean the speaker really believed that the line was infinitely long. If a tree can live to be 10,000 years old, a human saying "That tree will live forever" does not mean that the human believes the tree is immortal. It's hyperbole, it's a figure of speech.

Infinity has a clear definition, any use of the word "infinity" which does not fit the accepted definition is, at best, a figure of speech.

So assuming a mayfly could think and speak, any reference the mayfly made to a year being infinity would be hyperbole.

when someone saids it stretches to infinity ..they only means it goes on and on in it's vastness...not that it is infinite ...so why is that confusing?

well spidercmb then explain how anyone would know that something was infinite ...how would they know this

did little elves tell them or did they read it in a book ..and then explain how would the author or the book or the little elves know this

From a pragmatic point of view I have to agree with Funches. We have absolutely no proof or reason to believe that anything infinite can exist in the real world. The only thing we have is intuitive guesses. And like Funches points out, if we have no way of discerning that something has an end, we can’t really know that it’s actually infinite. All we can know is that it is beyond our capacity to discover it’s end.

No one knows whether the universe is infinite in size or not. It may or may not be. No one knows.

There was a time when we thought it would have to be infinite, but that’s because we were thinking solely 3-dimenisonally (speaking in terms of space). Now that we realize that the universe may actually be a manifestation set in higher dimensions we can now see that mathematically it may very well be finite in it’s size.

As far as Time is concerned, Albert Einstein has already shown us the true nature of time. What we thought of as infinity is actually and ever-changing ‘now’. Now and eternity are the same thing. Time doesn’t need to be ‘infinite’ to be eternal because it has no real dimension at all as an absolute entity. It only has apparent dimension with respect to its relationship to space. But even space itself isn’t what we first thought.

Our notion of eternity is God’s notion of now.

There is no past to go back to. There is no prewritten future. All that exists is the ever-changing now.

Time machines will never be invented because there is no past to go back to. It simply isn’t ‘back there’ waiting around to be visited. What was the past has become the now. The now is all that exists.

Some may argue that even Einstein’s Relativity shows that it’s possible to travel through time at least into the future, but this is actually incorrect. They effects of time dilation in relativity are not all that much different from the effect of cryogenics. For example, in the Twin Brother’s Paradox, both bothers actually always exist it’s just that the passing of time slows for one and not the other (just like would occur using cryogenics). This can be clearly shown by using a black hole, and placing one brother closer to the black hole and the other brother further from it. Both bothers will always exist in a one-to-one correspondence to each other. There is no ‘time’ when one bother pops out of existence and pops back into existence at a future time. The time is dilated, not traveled through. Just like it is with cryogenics.

Placing the one brother in a strong gravitational field (or high velocity situation) isn’t really all that different from placing him in a deep freeze. It’s not time-travel. He doesn’t move into a future time. He simply passing through the ‘now’ more slowly. Just like it is with cryogenics. This is why it can only be used to slow aging (apparently move into the future) and not be used to move into the past. It’s not true time travel. It’s time dilation.

So the very idea of eternity being infinite is a bit misleading. Eternity is always ‘now’, it actually has no extent at all.

If you exist ‘now’ then you will always exist, because there is no other time in which to cease to exist.

Now is all there is. All the rest is an illusion of spacetime.

It’s actually not the notion of infinity that we have wrong. What we have wrong is the notion of being finite. We think we know what that means.

Just like we think we are separate from everything. We’re not separate from anything.

Actual this isn't true. In higher math the notion of infinity is actually quite malleable. In fact, the very notion of number isn't even well-defined. Mathematicians are quite open about this and they refer to the definition of number as a moving target. They are always refining what they mean by that notion.

In fact, in the most generic math terms infinity simply means to become large without bound. So if you can prove that some mathematical formula is becoming large without bound you can say call that infinity. The only problem with that is that even within mathematics they have large and small infinities. For example, according to modern mathematics the set of all irrational numbers is a larger infinity than the set of all integers (which is also an infinite set).

So according to the formal definitions given by mathematics infinity comes in different sizes!!! It's not just the intuitive notion of endlessness that we, as laymen, would like to think of it.

Actually formal mathematics is wrong. And I have a proof of why they are wrong. But that's a whole other story.

Going in the other direction mathematicians have also run into a problem with infinity. This is because they found that they need to be able to describe quantities that are infinitely small yet no zero.

Well, from an intuitive point of view, is something is infinitely small, then it has no existence because if it had any existence at all, then it wouldn't be endlessly small. So only zero can be infinitely small.

But in mathematics they needed to be able to talk about things that are arbitrarily small but not zero. And it was very important that they never become zero. For this reason they invented a whole new word and now speak about these things as being infinitesimally small. That's not the same as infinitely small.

Although today they don't use the term infinitesimal much anymore. Instead they talk about the notion of differentials. These are concepts linked to a calculus process known as the limit. The formal definition of the limit prevents things from becoming zero.

So your claim that infinity has a clear and precise definition is simply not true. Most laymen will simply take it to mean "endlessness", but that's not the mathematical definition.

Also taken to intuitively mean 'endlessness' would actually makes sense in what Funches is saying. You can never know if something is truly 'endless', all you can know is that you can't measure it.

Funches is actually perfectly correct in what he is saying here. Like it or not.

He's not making any conclusions, all he's saying is that you can't make any conclusion either.

That's really all he's saying. And he's right.

That one's probably a bit too philosophical for me.

I agree with you Abra.

Infinity is in this moment.

Now is infinity.

Existence is infinite.

Everything exists Now.

NOTHING cannot EXIST.

Everything is here now.

JB

Nothing cannot exist Yay unicorns exist I now can resume my quest with this knowledge!

I knew we would agree on the overall conclusion, even if we arrived at it from different technical points of view.

Love your knew pic by the way. You're really cute!

You misunderstand what she is saying.

When she speaks of nothing in this context she's speaking about the actual concept of nothing, not the generic meaning of no-thing.