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You are Jewish if you are born to a Jewish mother and you are Jewish if you convert. Jewish isn't a race, a white, black, hispanic, or Asian Jew woman will give birth to Jews. This is simply not a true statement IMHO. Zionist Israel has a program to give free trips to Jewish youths of child baring age. The requirement for the free ten day trip is that they have a Jewish mother. It has no requirement for religion. The thing that is key is that gene carried by the female. The program itself is an effort to convince them to move to Israel. JB The answer I gave is the answer most Jews accept as true. Some Jews believe that you are Jewish if either your mother or father is Jewish. http://judaism.about.com/od/abcsofjudaism/a/beingjewish.htm They don't know about the gene.... |
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judaism is a religion. according to "traditional jewish law" if the mother is jewish then the children are automatically considered jewish (not if the father is jewish and the mother is not jewish). judaism is not a race. there are black, asian, caucasian, south american, indian....jews...etc. etc. of all races.
see a discussion here: i have found this site to be an excellent introduction to the religion. http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm also, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/index.html |
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You are Jewish if you are born to a Jewish mother and you are Jewish if you convert. Jewish isn't a race, a white, black, hispanic, or Asian Jew woman will give birth to Jews. This is simply not a true statement IMHO. Zionist Israel has a program to give free trips to Jewish youths of child baring age. The requirement for the free ten day trip is that they have a Jewish mother. It has no requirement for religion. The thing that is key is that gene carried by the female. The program itself is an effort to convince them to move to Israel. JB JB, this is apparently a requirement of this specific program perhaps because it is sponsored by a very traditional or orthodox group. See the jewfaq I cited above. |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Thu 05/22/08 02:33 PM
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The Jews have a commentary of the bible that was written before Messiah about what the laws meant. That is where we get a sabbath days journey from. Certain washings ect. Yahshua blasted all of this for being mans law and Not Yahweh's law. The people you refer to as the Jews still adhere to this book. It is above the scriptures. When the law is spoken of nailed to the tree and was against us it is not speaking of Yahweh's laws. It is speaking of the extra interpretations that Rabbi's years ago wrote down to explain verse by verse the meaning and examples of the law. This Yahshua came to abolish. This bloodline is not spoken of in the bible of 1 tribe Judah. If this was true then what about Rahab the Harlet who helped the spies at Jericho who is a great grandmother of Yahshua our Messiah. The commandment was to marry within Israel and as Spider says anyone could be as one of the land or adopted into the children of Israel..
Ex 12:47-49 7 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 48 And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it. 49 One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you." NKJV To eat the Passover you had to be of Israel as then was and as is now you were adopted,grafted in to the fold and became as 1. The rituals that are still around about the mother being who makes you of Israel because the Jews are not Israel thier are 12 tribes. Is simply not scriptual and they still follow all these man made laws you will not find in scripture..Blessings...Miles |
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The Jews have a commentary of the bible that was written before Messiah about what the laws meant. That is where we get a sabbath days journey from. Certain washings ect. Yahshua blasted all of this for being mans law and Not Yahweh's law. The people you refer to as the Jews still adhere to this book. It is above the scriptures. When the law is spoken of nailed to the tree and was against us it is not speaking of Yahweh's laws. It is speaking of the extra interpretations that Rabbi's years ago wrote down to explain verse by verse the meaning and examples of the law. This Yahshua came to abolish. This bloodline is not spoken of in the bible of 1 tribe Judah. If this was true then what about Rahab the Halet who helped the spies at Jericho who is a great grandmother of Yahshua our Messiah. The commandment was to marry within Israel and as Spider says anyone could be as one of the land or adopted into the children of Israel.. Ex 12:47-49 7 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 48 And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it. 49 One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you." NKJV To eat the Passover you had to be of Israel as then was and as is now you were adopted,grafted in to the fold and became as 1. The rituals that are still around about the mother being who makes you of Israel because the Jews are not Israel thier are 12 tribes. Is simply not scriptual and they still follow all these man made laws you will not find in scripture..Blessings...Miles if you want to know what it means to be jewish i suggest you read what jews have to say about it... see my references above. they are the real deal. |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Thu 05/22/08 02:42 PM
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I know what Jews believe. I have worshipped with them to see what it was all about. The fact is the Kobalah (?) is a mystical book of the Jews. Yahshua blasted it.
Matt 15:1-7 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread." 3 He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of Yahweh because of your tradition? 4 For Yahweh commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' 5 But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother,"Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to Yahweh" — 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.' Thus you have made the commandment of Yahweh of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: NKJV This is what i am talking about and Yahshua blasted them constantly about the leaders making the law out to be what they wanted it to be as is quoted above. Ask a Jew about the name Yahweh and see what happens.... Blessings...Miles |
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Sammy Davis Jnr was a black, one-eyed jew.
Being Jewish is a state of mind not a lineage. |
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You are Jewish if you are born to a Jewish mother and you are Jewish if you convert. Jewish isn't a race, a white, black, hispanic, or Asian Jew woman will give birth to Jews. This is simply not a true statement IMHO. Zionist Israel has a program to give free trips to Jewish youths of child baring age. The requirement for the free ten day trip is that they have a Jewish mother. It has no requirement for religion. The thing that is key is that gene carried by the female. The program itself is an effort to convince them to move to Israel. JB JB, this is apparently a requirement of this specific program perhaps because it is sponsored by a very traditional or orthodox group. See the jewfaq I cited above. The group that sponsors this program is a political group. They want only the Jewish people who carry the gene passed on by the female. There is a reason for this, and it does not have anything to do with the religion. Most of these politicians are not religious and are basically more atheist. Not very many people would believe the real reasons. |
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Spider Where in scripture does it say a bloodline or linage comes from the mother? Thanks...Miles no where, it is held as tradition and when you think of it common sense, when you are a displaced people who tend to get pillaged and your women raped a lot...born of a jewish mother you are considered jewish. |
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This is simply not a true statement IMHO. Zionist Israel has a program to give free trips to Jewish youths of child baring age. The requirement for the free ten day trip is that they have a Jewish mother. It has no requirement for religion. The thing that is key is that gene carried by the female. The program itself is an effort to convince them to move to Israel. JB JB, this is apparently a requirement of this specific program perhaps because it is sponsored by a very traditional or orthodox group. See the jewfaq I cited above. The group that sponsors this program is a political group. They want only the Jewish people who carry the gene passed on by the female. There is a reason for this, and it does not have anything to do with the religion. Most of these politicians are not religious and are basically more atheist. Not very many people would believe the real reasons. this has got to be one of the most ignorant and racist statements I have ever read on this forum.... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 05/22/08 04:38 PM
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This is simply not a true statement IMHO. Zionist Israel has a program to give free trips to Jewish youths of child baring age. The requirement for the free ten day trip is that they have a Jewish mother. It has no requirement for religion. The thing that is key is that gene carried by the female. The program itself is an effort to convince them to move to Israel. JB JB, this is apparently a requirement of this specific program perhaps because it is sponsored by a very traditional or orthodox group. See the jewfaq I cited above. The group that sponsors this program is a political group. They want only the Jewish people who carry the gene passed on by the female. There is a reason for this, and it does not have anything to do with the religion. Most of these politicians are not religious and are basically more atheist. Not very many people would believe the real reasons. this has got to be one of the most ignorant and racist statements I have ever read on this forum.... Please explain to me why you think this is an ignorant or racist statement? First, I am telling you the truth about a program that recruits young Jews to Israel for the purpose of trying to get them to live there. This is a fact. To be eligible for this program the applicants must have a Jewish mother and be young (not old). They do not require these people to be religious. They do take them through a political indoctrination program. If being Jewish is just a matter of religion, it can't be a "racist" statement. If it is not about blood lines, what is the reason for the "Jewish Mother" requirement? JB |
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Thu 05/22/08 04:44 PM
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Please explain to me why you think this is an ignorant or racist statement? First, I am telling you the truth about a program that recruits young Jews to Israel for the purpose of trying to get them to live there. This is a fact. To be eligible for this program the applicants must have a Jewish mother and be young (not old). They do not require these people to be religious. They do take them through a political indoctrination program. If being Jewish is just a matter of religion, it can't be a "racist" statement. If it is not about blood lines, what is the reason for the "Jewish Mother" requirement? JB Because during the Biblical days, the mother raised the children. The thinking is that a child raised by a Jew would be a Jew. It has nothing to do with genes. Today, just because your mother is a Jew, that doesn't mean you are a Jew, but this tradition is thousands of years old. When the tradition was formed, religion was much more important. Also, Israel needs people. They are a small country, surrounded by hostile countries and under constant attack from their enemies. So bringing in Jews (the children of Jewish mothers) is a good idea. Just a guess...It's racist because you are suggesting that Jews have alien DNA? |
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Please explain to me why you think this is an ignorant or racist statement? First, I am telling you the truth about a program that recruits young Jews to Israel for the purpose of trying to get them to live there. This is a fact. To be eligible for this program the applicants must have a Jewish mother and be young (not old). They do not require these people to be religious. They do take them through a political indoctrination program. If being Jewish is just a matter of religion, it can't be a "racist" statement. If it is not about blood lines, what is the reason for the "Jewish Mother" requirement? JB Because during the Biblical days, the mother raised the children. The thinking is that a child raised by a Jew would be a Jew. It has nothing to do with genes. Today, just because your mother is a Jew, that doesn't mean you are a Jew, but this tradition is thousands of years old. When the tradition was formed, religion was much more important. Also, Israel needs people. They are a small country, surrounded by hostile countries and under constant attack from their enemies. So bringing in Jews (the children of Jewish mothers) is a good idea. Just a guess...It's racist because you are suggesting that Jews have alien DNA? I did not suggest that. (But I think everyone has some alien DNA.) I don't know why the program used to require only Jewish youths with a Jewish mother, (That used to be a requirement) but I checked the website just now and they have changed that requirement. Yes I think they disparately need Jews to live there to become a State. There has been many programs to get Jews to move there for many years. But there still is an obsession with bloodlines going on. I would like to know what it is. JB |
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Because during the Biblical days, the mother raised the children.
Spider, Pray tell, when did that change? Doesn't "the mother" still raise the children? |
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Because during the Biblical days, the mother raised the children.
Spider, Pray tell, when did that change? Doesn't "the mother" still raise the children? The father worked long hard hours away from the home, while the mother cared for the home and gave the children the majority of their education. It depends on the family. I think it is best for the other to by the primary nurturer in the family, but it's not necessarily true. |
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Because during the Biblical days, the mother raised the children.
Spider, Pray tell, when did that change? Doesn't "the mother" still raise the children? The father worked long hard hours away from the home, while the mother cared for the home and gave the children the majority of their education. It depends on the family. I think it is best for the other to by the primary nurturer in the family, but it's not necessarily true. I think the mother still is the primary nurturer and the father still works hard long hours.. at least from my experience. JB |
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