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The professor mocked God and got what he deserved. Sometimes I think many Christians are actually attracted to Christianity because it’s inherently a vengeful religion. It’s all about a vengeful God who gets even with his enemies. At least in the old testament. Not so with Jesus, but it was the ways of the old God of Abraham. Let’s face it, anyone who condones violence isn’t following in the footsteps of Jesus. They aren’t even prepared to turn the other cheek. They are lusting for an-eye-for-an-eye and a-tooth-for-a-tooth like the old God of Abraham. They just use Jesus as a façade to hide behind, but they totally denounce his passive philosophy. You can’t punch someone in the face in the name of Jesus. That’s totally oxymoronic and hypocritical. If you want to follow Jesus you have to learn to restrain your egotistical tendencies to “get even”. Those were the ways of the old God of Abraham. But Jesus denounced those ways and wrote a whole new set of laws. Jesus changed the rules. He changed the religion. It’s not what it used to be. No more vengeance. It’s turn the other cheek now. If you want to follow Christ you have to denounce the violence that the God of Abraham used to lust for. Jesus changed all that. It’s turn the other cheek now. Even Jesus got upset once in awhile. Like when he turned out the moneychangers in the temple. |
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Even Jesus got upset once in awhile. Like when he turned out the moneychangers in the temple. I guess that pretty much blows away all his sermons then. Actions speak louder than words.  I've always said that he should have practiced what he preached. |
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Actually, I liked the story except for the smart remark at the end that had a political twist to it.
The professor had no business preaching atheism in a college class in the first place. He asked to be knocked off of his platform. Ask and it is given. He got it. Of course I doubt of this is a true story. It is something someone just made up as a religious political joke. JB |
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 But very true |
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I'm a Christian and look at it this way. I'm not God but am one of his children. Jesus died for our sins. That marine is also not God, but is one of His children. God is in the smallest leaf, a flower, a tree. The wonders of His creation are everywhere. The professor mocked God and got what he deserved. 1) if the story was true, the violent response from the marine is disgusting. 2) This quote is promoting that if you have free will enough to believe God is a figment of your imagination then you deserve to be violently assaulted for your views. 3) The story is one of those ridiculous urban legends designed to get the god-squad saying "bravo" What a load of crap |
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I'm a Christian and look at it this way. I'm not God but am one of his children. Jesus died for our sins. That marine is also not God, but is one of His children. God is in the smallest leaf, a flower, a tree. The wonders of His creation are everywhere. The professor mocked God and got what he deserved. 1) if the story was true, the violent response from the marine is disgusting. 2) This quote is promoting that if you have free will enough to believe God is a figment of your imagination then you deserve to be violently assaulted for your views. 3) The story is one of those ridiculous urban legends designed to get the god-squad saying "bravo" What a load of crap 1) I am quite sure the story is an urban legend and a bald faced lie designed to get the god-squad saying "bravo." 2) If it were true the professor could have had the marine arrested for assault and probably gotten fired for espousing his atheist views in class in the first place. It is not a true story... it is another myth with an agenda an a moral which serves as a veiled threat voiced by the good Christian above. "The professor mocked God and got what he deserved." Hence, the veiled threat and moral to the myth. JB |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Thu 05/22/08 11:08 AM
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It is not a true story... it is another myth with an agenda an a moral which serves as a veiled threat voiced by the good Christian above. Of course it’s not a true story. It’s actually just Christian propaganda that backfired as usual. As you say, it’s highly unlikely that an professor would do such a thing in the first place. And if he did he would most likely be in violation of his curriculum at the very least. Unless he was building up to making a point, rather than trying to ‘prove’ the non-existence of God. Since he was so rudely interrupted by a marine who has no self-discipline we’ll never know where the professor’s lecture was headed. As for the marine himself, clearly his behave was criminal to say the least. It merely paints a picture of marines as being egotists who have no self-discipline to control themselves. On a philosophical note, the very idea that God doesn’t have enough time to do everything he would like to do implies a less than all-powerful God. A God that created a universe that’s too big to handle. Perhaps such a God should have created a smaller universe that he could maintain better. The whole joke is not only sick, but it’s not even well thought out. It promotes violence in the name of Jesus actually. It condones cold-cocking non-believers. So if we should happen to make it to heaven I supposed we be rest assured that there will be a lot of cocky egotistical marines there who are ready to coldcock anyone who disagrees with their views. Yeah right.  I can hardly wait to get into heaven with all these judgmental cocky egotists who are anxious to punch people in the face.  Somehow, life on Earth almost sounds better. At least I know that there are some non-violent people here. 
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Q: Why do atheists have so much anger towards Christians?
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 05/22/08 01:14 PM
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Q: Why do atheists have so much anger towards Christians? I think its the other way around. (And I am not an atheist.) |
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Q: Why do atheists have so much anger towards Christians? I think its the other way around. And I am not an atheist. Whatever. Non-Christians, then, be they pantheists, atheists or whatever. It seems to me that people should respect the fact that other people are free to believe what they want, and not antagonize them by denigrating their beliefs, especially if they don't understand them. I'm not the type of Christian that runs around trying to convert everyone or tries to shove my beliefs down people's throats. I understand there are some that do, and I won't defend them. I think the operative saying here is 'Live and let live.' |
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Q: Why do atheists have so much anger towards Christians? I think its the other way around. And I am not an atheist. Whatever. Non-Christians, then, be they pantheists, atheists or whatever. It seems to me that people should respect the fact that other people are free to believe what they want, and not antagonize them by denigrating their beliefs, especially if they don't understand them. I'm not the type of Christian that runs around trying to convert everyone or tries to shove my beliefs down people's throats. I understand there are some that do, and I won't defend them. I think the operative saying here is 'Live and let live.' Yes, and I agree with that 100%.  I think it could be that way too, as soon as everyone, and I mean everyone, stops trying to convert people to their way of thinking. Be them atheists, Christians or whatever. It is called the law of allowance. Live and let live. Amen to that. |
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Q: Why do atheists have so much anger towards Christians? I think its the other way around. (And I am not an atheist.) Thats right Jeanniebean. Im not an atheist, Yet I notice the constant insults hurled at atheist by people of faith, some of which are extremely offensive.
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Q: Why do atheists have so much anger towards Christians? But I might be able to answer that question. Christianity has been a strong and sometimes very pushy force in our society. They have strongly pushed their views into politics and into people's personal lives in many different ways. They think they should put the ten commandments in our courthouses, and nativity scenes on our courthouse lawns and they have for years, conducted prayer in public schools and when that was changed they screamed and complained as if they were being forced to worship Satan or something and that they were being denied their right to worship. This is just a small sample of why some atheist are irritated. Christianity rails against the teaching of science that conflicts against their religious views. Some even support criminal Zionist politics because of some religious idea about Jews being the chosen people. There are many reasons my friend. Live and let live goes for both sides. I doubt if you will be able to get that to happen. People should stop generalizing and deal with each other on an individual level I think. Take the corporations out of it and that means take the Church out of it. Take politics out of it and keep religion out of politics. JB |
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It seems to me that people should respect the fact that other people are free to believe what they want, and not antagonize them by denigrating their beliefs, especially if they don't understand them. If that’s true then why are you standing up to defend a hypothetical marine for coldcocking an atheist? |
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It seems to me that people should respect the fact that other people are free to believe what they want, and not antagonize them by denigrating their beliefs, especially if they don't understand them. If that’s true then why are you standing up to defend a hypothetical marine for coldcocking an atheist? Get a grip. It's just a joke. |
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It seems to me that people should respect the fact that other people are free to believe what they want, and not antagonize them by denigrating their beliefs, especially if they don't understand them. If that’s true then why are you standing up to defend a hypothetical marine for coldcocking an atheist? Get a grip. It's just a joke. Oh really? ....... I am not so sure.
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It seems to me that people should respect the fact that other people are free to believe what they want, and not antagonize them by denigrating their beliefs, especially if they don't understand them. If that’s true then why are you standing up to defend a hypothetical marine for coldcocking an atheist? Get a grip. It's just a joke. Oh really? ....... I am not so sure. Try imagining the opposite. What if the professor was an avowed Christian, a member of the Christian Coalition and said something offensive to atheists? I think the professor was a moron for making those comments. JMO |
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What if the professor was an avowed Christian, a member of the Christian Coalition and said something offensive to atheists? Why should it be offense to a Christian for someone to ask God to knock him off a platform? Don’t Christians trust that God can handle his own creations? After all, if they truly believe that the biblical God is the genuine creator of this universe then they must also truly believe that the professor is speaking to God in his own terms. Why should any Christian be offended by this? It’s between the professor and God. The mere fact that Christians get their egos in an uproar only goes to show that they aren’t thinking in terms of God at all. Quite the contrary, they are viewing it as a personal egotistical religion that they somehow feel that they own. This is where Christians actual disbelief in God shows. They don’t believe in God at all. They are defending a religion, not a God. If someone come up to you and says all sorts of bad things about Jesus what should you do? Well, if you’re a true Christian you should do nothing at all. You should just shrug your shoulders and say, “Take it up with him”. Jesus never asked you to ‘defend’ his honor. That’s definitely not part of the religion. You may feel that you need to recognize his divinity when asked. But to defend his honor? No way, Jesus never asked anyone to do that. The very fact that a Christian feels that they need to defend God from one of God’s own creations, is a sign that they have completely lost touch with the very meaning of religion in the first place. Clearly those people are not defending God at all. They are merely defending their own egotistical pride. They are completely on their own. And claiming that God sent them to do his work, is nothing more than a lie. Only going to show that not only don’t they have any respect for God, but they don’t even follow his simplest of commandments. They will actually even lie about God. Yes, this particular scenario may have been written up as a really sick joke. But the really sad thing is that it’s so typical of how far too many Christians actually think. They are more interested in protecting their own egos than they are in protecting God. What they fail to realize is that if they truly believe that the biblical God is real, then they would have faith that the biblical God would deal with the professor in his own way. The bottom line with far too many Christians is that they don’t trust God to serve up the vengeance, do they take it upon themselves to do it for God. But what if God didn’t want that? Maybe God was laughing at the professor because he fully understood that the professor meant no harm and was simply misinformed. Then God would be very upset with the marine who took it upon himself to be the judge, jury and executioner. The marine was actually playing God, not respecting God. In this scenario God may have actually had more respect for the man you think of as an atheist and no respect at all for the marine who calls himself a Christian. If you’re going to believe in a God then do so. And leave any judgments and punishment up to God. This is where Christians fall flat on their faces. They think they can delve out the judgments and punishments for God. Christians start to think that they are God in this very way! If you think you are acting on God’s behalf then you are acting as though you are God. Any decent Christian would denounce violence toward anyone who might mock God. To get angry over it only shows that they are worshiping their own ego, and not God at all. No decent Christian should ever get upset when someone mocks God. They should know that this is entirely between that person and God, and it has nothing to do with them at all. |
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Edited by
mnhiker
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Thu 05/22/08 09:13 PM
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What if the professor was an avowed Christian, a member of the Christian Coalition and said something offensive to atheists? Why should it be offense to a Christian for someone to ask God to knock him off a platform? Don’t Christians trust that God can handle his own creations? After all, if they truly believe that the biblical God is the genuine creator of this universe then they must also truly believe that the professor is speaking to God in his own terms. Why should any Christian be offended by this? It’s between the professor and God. The mere fact that Christians get their egos in an uproar only goes to show that they aren’t thinking in terms of God at all. Quite the contrary, they are viewing it as a personal egotistical religion that they somehow feel that they own. This is where Christians actual disbelief in God shows. They don’t believe in God at all. They are defending a religion, not a God. If someone come up to you and says all sorts of bad things about Jesus what should you do? Well, if you’re a true Christian you should do nothing at all. You should just shrug your shoulders and say, “Take it up with him”. Jesus never asked you to ‘defend’ his honor. That’s definitely not part of the religion. You may feel that you need to recognize his divinity when asked. But to defend his honor? No way, Jesus never asked anyone to do that. The very fact that a Christian feels that they need to defend God from one of God’s own creations, is a sign that they have completely lost touch with the very meaning of religion in the first place. Clearly those people are not defending God at all. They are merely defending their own egotistical pride. They are completely on their own. And claiming that God sent them to do his work, is nothing more than a lie. Only going to show that not only don’t they have any respect for God, but they don’t even follow his simplest of commandments. They will actually even lie about God. Yes, this particular scenario may have been written up as a really sick joke. But the really sad thing is that it’s so typical of how far too many Christians actually think. They are more interested in protecting their own egos than they are in protecting God. What they fail to realize is that if they truly believe that the biblical God is real, then they would have faith that the biblical God would deal with the professor in his own way. The bottom line with far too many Christians is that they don’t trust God to serve up the vengeance, do they take it upon themselves to do it for God. But what if God didn’t want that? Maybe God was laughing at the professor because he fully understood that the professor meant no harm and was simply misinformed. Then God would be very upset with the marine who took it upon himself to be the judge, jury and executioner. The marine was actually playing God, not respecting God. In this scenario God may have actually had more respect for the man you think of as an atheist and no respect at all for the marine who calls himself a Christian. If you’re going to believe in a God then do so. And leave any judgments and punishment up to God. This is where Christians fall flat on their faces. They think they can delve out the judgments and punishments for God. Christians start to think that they are God in this very way! If you think you are acting on God’s behalf then you are acting as though you are God. Any decent Christian would denounce violence toward anyone who might mock God. To get angry over it only shows that they are worshiping their own ego, and not God at all. No decent Christian should ever get upset when someone mocks God. They should know that this is entirely between that person and God, and it has nothing to do with them at all. blah blah blah I don't care anymore. You're overreacting and I'm not going to respond to it. Your hatred is showing. |
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What if the professor was an avowed Christian, a member of the Christian Coalition and said something offensive to atheists? Why should it be offense to a Christian for someone to ask God to knock him off a platform? Don’t Christians trust that God can handle his own creations? After all, if they truly believe that the biblical God is the genuine creator of this universe then they must also truly believe that the professor is speaking to God in his own terms. Why should any Christian be offended by this? It’s between the professor and God. The mere fact that Christians get their egos in an uproar only goes to show that they aren’t thinking in terms of God at all. Quite the contrary, they are viewing it as a personal egotistical religion that they somehow feel that they own. This is where Christians actual disbelief in God shows. They don’t believe in God at all. They are defending a religion, not a God. If someone come up to you and says all sorts of bad things about Jesus what should you do? Well, if you’re a true Christian you should do nothing at all. You should just shrug your shoulders and say, “Take it up with him”. Jesus never asked you to ‘defend’ his honor. That’s definitely not part of the religion. You may feel that you need to recognize his divinity when asked. But to defend his honor? No way, Jesus never asked anyone to do that. The very fact that a Christian feels that they need to defend God from one of God’s own creations, is a sign that they have completely lost touch with the very meaning of religion in the first place. Clearly those people are not defending God at all. They are merely defending their own egotistical pride. They are completely on their own. And claiming that God sent them to do his work, is nothing more than a lie. Only going to show that not only don’t they have any respect for God, but they don’t even follow his simplest of commandments. They will actually even lie about God. Yes, this particular scenario may have been written up as a really sick joke. But the really sad thing is that it’s so typical of how far too many Christians actually think. They are more interested in protecting their own egos than they are in protecting God. What they fail to realize is that if they truly believe that the biblical God is real, then they would have faith that the biblical God would deal with the professor in his own way. The bottom line with far too many Christians is that they don’t trust God to serve up the vengeance, do they take it upon themselves to do it for God. But what if God didn’t want that? Maybe God was laughing at the professor because he fully understood that the professor meant no harm and was simply misinformed. Then God would be very upset with the marine who took it upon himself to be the judge, jury and executioner. The marine was actually playing God, not respecting God. In this scenario God may have actually had more respect for the man you think of as an atheist and no respect at all for the marine who calls himself a Christian. If you’re going to believe in a God then do so. And leave any judgments and punishment up to God. This is where Christians fall flat on their faces. They think they can delve out the judgments and punishments for God. Christians start to think that they are God in this very way! If you think you are acting on God’s behalf then you are acting as though you are God. Any decent Christian would denounce violence toward anyone who might mock God. To get angry over it only shows that they are worshiping their own ego, and not God at all. No decent Christian should ever get upset when someone mocks God. They should know that this is entirely between that person and God, and it has nothing to do with them at all. blah blah blah I don't care anymore. You're overreacting and I'm not going to respond to it. Your hatred is showing. I guess you were one of those kids who stuck his fingers in his ears and pronounced "I cant hear you, so shut up" when something unpalatable came along. I cant see why Abra's comments make you think his hatred is showing? He doesnt hate Christians, he abhors violence they do in the name of their imaginary friend. Thats all I can see |
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