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We all have every right to be in every thread. If your God is so weak that he cannot take one bad word against him then surely he is not real. The funny thing is you all talk about free will being a great gift but if any of his creations chooses to use their free will you get scared and try to shut them up. Do you think your God gave free will in a way that could destroy him? |
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And Dear James...
   thank you for keeping me as a friend,  even though we may not always see eye to eye...
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John 3:16...For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotton, that for who ever believeth in him, shall not perish but have everlasting last. Do you belive? that doesnt mean he died for your sins...as I read that passage, god sent a teacher to the world so we could learn the ways of the divine...and what does mankind do? Nail the poor guy to a piece of wood and create a hysteria surrounding him that is the root cause of most of the human suffering in the world today....no, I dont believe at all.... |
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It's not just belief, I know. Thank you, Jesus
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It's not just belief, I know. Thank you, Jesus Faith is believing in something with out proof that it exist. Since you say you "KNOW" that means you have lost your faith. |
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WE CAN NOT SEE THE WIND BUT WE CAN FEEL IT WE CAN NOT SEE PAIN BUT WE FEEL IT I KNOW THAT JESUS DIED FOR ME AND I THANK GOD FOR HIS ONLY BEGOTTON SON WHO DID THIS JUST FOR ME I CAN TRULY SAY HE IS AN AWESOME GLORIOUS,EVERLASTING,UNSELFISH,CARING,UNDESTANDING GOD I REALLY WANT TO KNOW
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WE CAN NOT SEE THE WIND BUT WE CAN FEEL IT WE CAN NOT SEE PAIN BUT WE FEEL IT I KNOW THAT JESUS DIED FOR ME AND I THANK GOD FOR HIS ONLY BEGOTTON SON WHO DID THIS JUST FOR ME I CAN TRULY SAY HE IS AN AWESOME GLORIOUS,EVERLASTING,UNSELFISH,CARING,UNDESTANDING GOD I REALLY WANT TO KNOW Amen
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Wed 05/21/08 01:54 PM
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It's not just belief, I know. Thank you, Jesus Faith is believing in something with out proof that it exist. Since you say you "KNOW" that means you have lost your faith.  <<< Not >>> |
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Well hi everyone, Abra good to see your words, like the pic too. Rabbit, TLW, oh yes and Rupenzel, do be patient with Abra. It's not like any of us need to hear any more stories from the Bible either, but when they're given anyway, we have the oppotunity to answer. And then that "condescending and a royal pain in the butt" Symbelmyne whose post was quite the treasure. Hi there I'm Red and da mn it's so nice to have you here.
By the way I'd like to invite everyone to the Christian Coffee house. I've asked some very important questions there, and I think we could really use all the help we can get there. Good Evening All Red |
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Wed 05/21/08 02:30 PM
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Well hi everyone, Abra good to see your words, like the pic too. Rabbit, TLW, oh yes and Rupenzel, do be patient with Abra. It's not like any of us need to hear any more stories from the Bible either, but when they're given anyway, we have the oppotunity to answer. And then that "condescending and a royal pain in the butt" Symbelmyne whose post was quite the treasure. Hi there I'm Red and da mn it's so nice to have you here. By the way I'd like to invite everyone to the Christian Coffee house. I've asked some very important questions there, and I think we could really use all the help we can get there. Good Evening All Red Hello Redy...nice to see you back ... I have been so sweet & kind to Abra.. i do care for him alot and i thank you for your kindness now, if anyone asks me anything, sorry, but I have to go right now, i have an appt. i need to keep but, i will get back to you all later ... love and hugs xoxoxox Lady Nessa Vanessa |
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It's not just belief, I know. Thank you, Jesus Faith is believing in something with out proof that it exist. Since you say you "KNOW" that means you have lost your faith. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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I feel bad for you that <in my opinion> you don't seem to know what to believe in... and you keep searching... I’ve posted my beliefs many times. You know that I’m not searching for anything. The whole Christian story is about saving personal butts (individual souls). I’m not the slightest bit interested in saving my own personal soul in the manner you speak of. I would gladly die if the picture you speak of were true. It’s not a problem, honest. You know that I don’t believe in that picture. In fact, you’ve actually posted about spiritualities that you know I am in tune with. You posted the spirituality of the North American Indians. Yet, you clearly don’t believe as they did. You still speak in terms of Jesus having died for your personal salvation. The North American Indians did not believe in an egotistical God like this. And neither do I. I know precisely what I believe and where I stand. And on the biblical myth my stance is that if it were true, I’d chose death. I know precisely what I believe and where I stand on the issues. I couldn’t be any closer to God than I already am. Evidently you don’t believe in the pantheistic view that you seemed to be supporting with your postings of North American Indian beliefs. Why you posted them is beyond me if you don’t believe in them. Clearly you saw something in them that you recognized as being “godly”. Yet, then you do an about face, and turn to the egotistical picture of the biblical God as being the one and only God. You seem to be the one who is confused and unsure of what you believe. One moment you’re supporting the pantheistic view of God, and the next you are praising Jesus as the only God. Let me know when you make up your mind as to which picture you actually believe. |
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He did not die for me for sure . If he could not save himself how could he save anyone ??!!.
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Yes I believe and I also beleive its the greatest love we will ever experience in this life and the next...
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He did not die for me for sure . If he could not save himself how could he save anyone ??!!. it wasn't part of the Master Plan...
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I feel bad for you that <in my opinion> you don't seem to know what to believe in... and you keep searching... I’ve posted my beliefs many times. You know that I’m not searching for anything. The whole Christian story is about saving personal butts (individual souls). I’m not the slightest bit interested in saving my own personal soul in the manner you speak of. I would gladly die if the picture you speak of were true. It’s not a problem, honest. You know that I don’t believe in that picture. In fact, you’ve actually posted about spiritualities that you know I am in tune with. You posted the spirituality of the North American Indians. Yet, you clearly don’t believe as they did. You still speak in terms of Jesus having died for your personal salvation. The North American Indians did not believe in an egotistical God like this. And neither do I. I know precisely what I believe and where I stand. And on the biblical myth my stance is that if it were true, I’d chose death. I know precisely what I believe and where I stand on the issues. I couldn’t be any closer to God than I already am. Evidently you don’t believe in the pantheistic view that you seemed to be supporting with your postings of North American Indian beliefs. Why you posted them is beyond me if you don’t believe in them. Clearly you saw something in them that you recognized as being “godly”. Yet, then you do an about face, and turn to the egotistical picture of the biblical God as being the one and only God. You seem to be the one who is confused and unsure of what you believe. One moment you’re supporting the pantheistic view of God, and the next you are praising Jesus as the only God. Let me know when you make up your mind as to which picture you actually believe. i believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior but i also glean the wise teachings from many different fields of wisdom ... I love <the teachings of Don Juan> by Carlos Casteneda  and the Prophet by Kahlil Gibran & Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse.... so, my mind is made up, and i feel good about it & please forgive me if i misunderstood You, James... , Yes, we did reach some common denominators with the Indian Thread....that was beautiful... I have always loved and respected their wisdom and i don't think i have to deny the love & respect & appreciation for life in all of nature  and the wisdoms of other wise people... to also love Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior.... |
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Hi there folks.
Very interesting repsonses, indeed. Actially, everyone is going to live eternally. Receieivng Jesus in your heart replaces the sin nature that we were born into as a result of the fall. The ones that have ears to hear and eyes to see receive a brand new spirit and receive eternal life right here, right now. Not sometime off in the future. Those that don't will still live forever, just in Hell. I noticed the one dude that said he would rather choose death. It's not quite that simple my friend. The end of this physical body is not the end of your life. God is love. (John 4:24) He has so much compassion for us. It's not about a set of rules to follow, as some have suggested. It's about having a sincere and honest relationship with Him. Jesus was a man, but He was also God. God originally gave dominion over this earth to people. We became the "gods" of this world so-to-speak. We were to subdue all things. We were given all power and authority, in this realm. But we gave that power over to satan when we fell for his deceipt way back in the Garden. So every person from then on was born with this sin nature by default. God could not just wipe out satan without wiping out all of man kind, besides that He no longer had complete control over the earth, he gave that to us. Since physical man had dominion over the earth, God had to become a man and dwell in a physical body in order to defeat satan once and for all and regain complete control here on this earth. Because of all that, His spirit is now available for all who choose to accept, therefore, we that have been born-again now have the same Spirit that raised Christ Jesus from the dead. Praise God! Satan has been defeated and we shall inherit the earth. So, I guess you could say.....yeah...I believe! |
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Edited by
MichaelATL44
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Wed 05/21/08 04:04 PM
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And.....for those of us that have accepted that payment....that sin nature has been completely removed. It died. We have been given a brand new spirit.
Not only that, but God is no longer counting our sins against us: (Verse 19) 2 Corinthians 5:18-21 And all of this is a gift from God, who brought us back to himself through Christ. And God has given us this task of reconciling people to him. 19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation. 20 So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!” 21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ. People don't go to hell for their individual sins. They go to hell because they never accept the atoning sacrifice that removes the original sin nature. Look at what Jesus said in John 16. Notice he talks about "sin" singular. And then He tells what that sin is, not believing in Him. (Verse 9) John 16:5-11 But now I am going away to the One who sent me, and not one of you is asking where I am going. 6 Instead, you grieve because of what I’ve told you. 7 But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don’t, the Advocate won’t come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment. 9 The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me. 10 Righteousness is available because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more. 11 Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged. |
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Satan has been defeated and we shall inherit the earth. ,… And.....for those of us that have accepted that payment....that sin nature has been completely removed. It died. We have been given a brand new spirit. If people need to accept this payment then it certainly doesn’t appear that Satan has been defeated. Clearly he’s still in business as usual. Also, why are you talking about ‘payments’? In one instance you seem to be implying that Satan has been defeated and in the next you’re talking about payments having been made? So which is it? Was Satan defeated or just bought off for a selected few via a payment? The scriptures you’ve posted are vague and don’t seem to address these questions? For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ. Who was God offering his Son to? To appease Satan? To appease himself? Certainly not to appease man, that wouldn’t make any sense at all. Men are the sinners here, it wouldn’t make any sense for God to be appeasing them. So unto whom was the sacrifice of Jesus made? Did God send his own son as a sacrifice to appease himself? Or did he sacrifice his Son to appease Satan? I don’t understand. You say that Satan was defeated but it was God’s son that was butchered, not Satan’s. Who was appease (or paid) by this sacrifice???? This is a big question that is often asked on these forums an no one has been able to answer it yet. Perhaps you can shed some light on it. Neither answer makes sense to me. God sending his Son to appease Satan sounds like God is conceding to defeat to me, certainly not defeating Satan. And the notion of God appeasing himself seems equally absurd. Can you clarify who is being appeased by this act and why? |
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Hi there folks. Very interesting repsonses, indeed. Actially, everyone is going to live eternally. Receieivng Jesus in your heart replaces the sin nature that we were born into as a result of the fall. The ones that have ears to hear and eyes to see receive a brand new spirit and receive eternal life right here, right now. Not sometime off in the future. Those that don't will still live forever, just in Hell. I noticed the one dude that said he would rather choose death. It's not quite that simple my friend. The end of this physical body is not the end of your life. God is love. (John 4:24) He has so much compassion for us. It's not about a set of rules to follow, as some have suggested. It's about having a sincere and honest relationship with Him. Jesus was a man, but He was also God. God originally gave dominion over this earth to people. We became the "gods" of this world so-to-speak. We were to subdue all things. We were given all power and authority, in this realm. But we gave that power over to satan when we fell for his deceipt way back in the Garden. So every person from then on was born with this sin nature by default. God could not just wipe out satan without wiping out all of man kind, besides that He no longer had complete control over the earth, he gave that to us. Since physical man had dominion over the earth, God had to become a man and dwell in a physical body in order to defeat satan once and for all and regain complete control here on this earth. Because of all that, His spirit is now available for all who choose to accept, therefore, we that have been born-again now have the same Spirit that raised Christ Jesus from the dead. Praise God! Satan has been defeated and we shall inherit the earth. So, I guess you could say.....yeah...I believe! Am I missing something important here ? . How can a man who eats ,drinks , has a penis , has an anus and get killed is God ? Are you kidding yourself or others ?.  .
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