Thats not reincarnation darling. And as a person of faith, Im sure you understand the concept of destiny Destiny and Karma play a major role in reincarnation

I believe we have a soul. Our soul is forever alive. I believe....But does it regain life after death in the form of another being? Couldn't tell ya.

I hope not. I do not want to come back again and relive what I already know. I do not want to make the same mistakes again. I would assume memory would only be slight with dejavu (forgot how to spell it). I already have that. It bothers me. Not saying that is is from the thing called reincarnation. But, it is weird.

Kat

A very good question and I find it funny also.

(I was simply naming the organization where I found the information. It may or may not be true, but in any case it is not all that important how many incarnations we will spend here in my opinion. I imagine it is quite a few.)

I consider all information that rings possible. I have believed in reincarnation for a long time.

It is not what I call "a path" I am following.

It is more of a foundation for the structure of my world view and how reality works. It simply remains in place until a better hypothesis is found.

As far as "how" this research is conducted, I haven't the foggiest idea, except that I know that out of body travel, and learning by spiritual means seem to be possible so I imagine spiritual research is done by spiritual means.

(That would be non-physical research.)

Another resource of spiritual or consciousness research would be the Monroe Institute.

Why not? What if you had a chance to live your life over again? What if you had a chance to try something different in any time line you wanted?

Even though we loose our memory of events, we retain our wisdom gained by experience. That is sometimes called innate knowing or intuition. We learn right from wrong. We evolve as spiritual beings.

If reincarnation is true, you are here for the whole ride. You will be back until the game is over. If it is not true, then be thankful for this one short life you have and make the best of it.

JB

If a person has been reincarnated many times over or is simply on their first go-around, where did their spirit come from? My first of many questions.

If you are an immigrant in this country, where did you come from?

Immigrants come from many different parts of the world.

Individual spirits come from many different parts of the universal body of God.

Originally all spirits come from the body of God. They are like a single atom in the body of God.

A single atom in your own body contains all the information it needs to create entire universes. Split one tiny atom and you release the power to destroy millions of people. (atom bomb)

Ah but that is how I feel when told that I will go to "hell" because I don't believe in something unbelievable... that makes no sense at all.

I am a "good" person by my own judgement in that I try to never harm another. Yet I have been told that a rapist or murderer, child molester, etc. can decide to be "saved" and wham! they will go to "heaven" and I will go to hell?!?! HUH?!?!

Unbelievable.

Peace.

So you believe in God but believe in reincarnatin as well? Fair enough. What if one of my cells decides it wants to be God and create a universe? What if this time it wants to dethrone God? If that one cell has infinite power then why doesn't it decide to live indefinitely and avoid all of the crappy diapers and creamed peas and so on? If we are each "God" as you suggest, then we can each make up our own rules, right? Clearly we cannot. There are parameters which we all share life within that are put there by....?

Your question was where do the spirits come from. That is an intelligent question.

They come from the body of God. That is my answer.

Now you ask a silly question.



That is like asking what if a newly created embryo "decided" it wanted to run for president. It is a sarcastic question.



Another sarcastic question. The answer to this one is simple. It doesn't even know who or what it is at this stage of consciousness.



I did not say that one cell had infinite power. This is another sarcastic question.

Now if you want to ask more intelligent questions I will answer them. Apparently you just want to be sarcastic in an effort to make some point.

JB

An atom has enough information locked inside of it to create entire universes, but as an individual point of perception, it lacks enough conscious awareness to use any of that information.

A fertilized egg in a womb has enough information and instructions to grow into the body of a human being, but a fertilized egg is not a conscious aware being.

If a child is born and it is not connected to the life stream of one of the higher selves (and ultimately God) it will not live very long.

JB

yeah but think about it ..our universe could be inside a dust bunny under a bed.

I wasn't being sarcastic JB. You answered my questions concerning your previous statements. Thank you. Try not to be so defensive.

Not sarcastic? How would you describe this question?
A Joke? Is this really your idea of an intelligent or serious question?




And you think I am being "defensive?"

What have I got to be defensive against?

What is your point ?

JB

Again JB, I said I wasn't being sarcastic. I asked legitimate questions. You answered them from your viewpoint. Did you see one of these ? This one ? This ? How do you see me being sarcastic? The three fingers pointing back at you are poking you in the eye. Your comment pertaining to the one cell having enough information to destroy the human race brought me to question that if one cell was all powerful then all of the cells that make up one human with bad intentions could have or would have by now...... destroyed us all. You gave me your answer. Do I buy it? Nope. But that is okay. I am still interested in what you have to say about what you believe and I have questions. Yes I do think you are being defensive and you don't need to be with me. I will not slam your beliefs. I want to hear more. I don't have to buy into it to be interested dear.

I just find it difficult to believe that you think your question is a serious or reasonable one.



I did not say that. I will repeat what I meant.

1) A single atom has enough information stored in it to create universes.

This does not say that it has enough information to "destroy the human race." It also does not mean that a single cell is "all powerful."

You apparently do not understand anything I have stated.

Then you ask what I consider to be a very childish clueless question that I can only interpret as sarcasm.



Well of course you don't "buy" it. You don't even understand my initial statements.




I am not being "defensive" because I do not feel that I am being attacked. Also, because I never "defend" my beliefs.

My beliefs are loosely held conclusions that fit logically together into my world view. I do not defend them. I consider them.

I am quite used to people "slamming" my beliefs and it does not bother me. If you have intelligent questions about my beliefs I will answer them.

But your "what if" questions don't concern my personal beliefs.

However in the interest of taking your word for it, I will assume that your questions are serious and answer them.



Personally I don't believe a cell can make that kind of decision. (I never said a cell was "all powerful. I don't know where you got that idea.) Cells do have memories but all they remember is what they were programed to do. They operate automatically and run on programing only.



Dethrone God? (This question assumes God sits on a throne and rules the universes.)

For a tiny cell to have this type of ambition ~even if it could think, is unrealistic and absurd. But this seems to be the fear that Christians have of the pantheistic view, that a pantheist wants to be God or "dethrone God."



I don't know, maybe some cells do decide that, how would I know? You can't expect me to answer a question like that.

And besides I never said that one cell has "infinite power" so the question is moot anyway. One cell holds a lot of information, DNA etc. I don't really know how conscious it is.

The information contained in an Atom or a Cell is stored information probably with very little conscious awareness involved.

JB

JB – you are a very difficult person to follow. You are quite contrary and contradict yourself on many occasions. I’ve tried to call you on this before, but you refuse to accept it.

So I’m posting one such contradiction that has occurred in this post. Please, by all means let us know where you REALLY stand. Because it gets quite frustrating when you say something is so. Then someone questions you and you don’t have an answer, so YOU immediately act as if they are stupid because the information or "your opinions" or your "supposed belief" is just something you’re “currently” into and it’s subject to change whenever you thing something shiner comes along. Even within that post.

Of course several times in this thread you’ve mentioned that things are irrelevant, but how can that be if? If something is going to be a basis for your believe shouldn’t it have relevancy?




Notice that reincarnation IS A FACT!



Now reincarnatin and all that came before this post is just something to be considered.

This is so not fun to discuss when the person who begins the discussion can change her FACTS and HONEST OPINIONS at will throughout the thread.


THIS IS JUST MHO!

Where have I changed my honest opinions?

I stated that in my humble opinion (IMHO) reincarnation is a fact.

When I say that "in my opinion, reincarnation" is a "fact" it means that it is accepted as a fact in my perception of reality.

It is still an opinion of course, but for the time being, I personally have accepted it as a fact.

In a subjective reality, even facts are little more than opinions.

If you perceive an objective reality, you might demand concrete "proof" of facts.

Proof of facts must be reasonable and accepted by a group or an authority or a number of authorities. These authorities must be accepted (and believed) by the one who demands the proof.

Facts are a matter of proof. Proof is simply a matter of belief. (I currently believe that reincarnation is a fact.)

I will probably not defend this "belief" nor will I attempt to prove it as a "fact" to someone else because I am not really concerned what other people view as facts, especially if I don't think I can prove it to their satisfaction.

Is this the only contradiction you have found?

Have I answered your question?

JB


P.S.

A "fact" is simply something that a person or group of people have decided to define as the "truth."

Many things that people tell me (or have told me) are FACTS have later been proven false, therefore a FACT is only a fact as long as people accept it as a fact.

So even accepted facts are subject to change given new information, proof, evidence etc.

I may have been a hillbilly in one of my incarnations.

I had dreams of that life for three days in a row, every night they were continued like some soap opera.

When they quit, for weeks I missed my friends and family I had gotten to know through that dream world.

It was very strange, and I came to understand why our memories are blocked from our other lives. It would be hard to live them at the same time or even to remember them all in detail. That would be a lot of baggage.

JB

A fact, even if a subjective one, is a truth even if only known to the subject. If there is a "truth" you are discussing with people, you must be able to offer some logical root from whence your truth was derived. Otherwise you are asking people to discuss your subjective truth with no basis from which to discuss.

If you say you read a book and from that book you have "decide" that it meets a subjective view of some Truth on Your table, you MUST BE ABLE TO SUPPORT WHY?

Every time someone asks a question about how you came about your truth, you suddenly feel there is no relavence in why, the point is YOU BELIEVE IT so you just want others to accept it and discuss YOUR IDEAS.

You need figure out what you want others to discuss, because people are going to get really tired of your changing your reality in the middle of every couple posts. Furthermore if you are going to discuss something you have read, you need to expect that people are going to tell you that what you read is not credible and they WILL make you account for the information you are reporting as FACT - even your own fact.

Very few people have even inquired as to my sources or shown any interest in them. The ones who have, I have done my best to direct them to where I encountered the information or idea(s).



I am willing to answer any questions as to the why I have included something as a possibility into my world view.
I do not claim possibilities to be facts.

There are some considerations that have been in place for long enough that I personally have accepted them as fact.

But I am always open to new information that might disprove my facts, but only if an alternative solution is offered which is more compelling or if by the addition of this new information an alternate solution arises.

What is wrong with doing this? I am simply leaving the door open to all possibilities and considerations.




I would appreciate if you would site an example of this in order for me to clarify it. I cannot remember this.

It is nice if others accept my ideas and discuss them, but that is not my objective. I would never want to teach or convince anyone that my ideas are fact or correct unless I had compelling evidence to support and or prove them, which I don't.



I only discuss ideas and possibilities. I don't change my reality every couple of posts. I might reword something after someone has misunderstood me. I do try to write correct sentences and use the right words. I do try to be very direct and literal in my statements.

And yet people read their own meanings into my words when they should be looking at my statement in a literal and simple sense. I try to be clear and simple and to the point.

I hold my conclusions loosely and I seek new input and new information in regard to them.



Although I make statements in a positive manner which appear that I am stating a fact or a truth, it is to save time. All statements I make are to be considered an opinion or conclusion being considered.

I could put IMO in front of everything I say if that would make you feel better. IMO =In my opinion..

I consider everything to be an opinion or point of view, even established facts with supporting evidence or proof.

Proof is only a matter of accepted belief even in such things as evolution or creation. Everyone on both sides has their evidence and their proof to support their claim or belief.

I hope this helps. I appreciate your inquiries.

JB