As a child I was told that Hell is the place where the devil lives and is a fiery pit of flames and torture. As an adult someone gave me a different perspective. They said that because God is love and the source of everything good and since God cannot be in the presence of sin, it stands to reason that Hell is actually the ABSENCE of ANYTHING good. I found that scarier than the fiery pit of flames and torture.
Does anyone know if there is any Biblical basis for the later?

Which do you think is scarier?

What is your take on Hell?

I divorced hell

Interesting...I divorced the devil because living with him was Hell.

you get my point

So in that case you believe that hell is a hybrid of the 2 theories? A pit of torture with the absence of anything good.

And after you divorce and get away form hell I don't think it saposed to keep following you, is it? Because mine keeps finding its way back

hell is your own creation

God CANNOT look upon Sin !!!!!

So God in His Love and Mercy ,made a way for man to be forgiven of our sins... thru Christ Jesus.

When we recieve Jesus , we are forgiven and washed clean..and can NOW stand before the Father.

BUT if a man does NOT accept Jesus, he is still dead in his sins..and sin CANNOT stand in the Presence of God!!!
Comprende?


Basically then..Hell is a place where one is SEPARATED and CUT OFF from God.

Imagine a place where God's Presence Is NOT.

God is Love, Peace, Joy....

Now Imagine a place full of Hate, No Peace, No Joy...Imagine some one who hates...imagine dwelling in that environment...imagine a place filled with hate....

Hell is that place...ABSENCE of God, for sure.

Hey.....should God CHANGE His Word now .....just for some of us, who don't like what God has to Say in His Word??

If God CHANGED His Word, He would become a Liar.

But God's Word Stands True Forever.

God's Word Does NOT Change.

We either accept what God says in His Word...or we don't accept.

Our Choice.

Well let's see what the Bible says about hell....

Mark 9[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Luke 16 [22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
[27] Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
[28] For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Revelation 20 [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Place of fire and torment indeed....

God is a God of LOVE!!!!

He doesn't want to see one Perish!!
NOT ONE!!

Do you know that angels in heaven REJOICE ..when just one soul on earth is Saved ??

God Loves Us !!!
He Just wants Fellowship back with His Creation.

But God still CAN't LOOK UPON THE FACE OF SIN...THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T COME TO GOD NO OTHER WAY ,EXCEPT BY WAY OF JESUS!!

JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY!!!

That is Why God says we Must get Saved(Be born again)..and when we do, our spirit is Also made brand new....and then, we GLADLY want to Be with Abba Father again.


God Waits Patiently for Us to Come to Him...cause He knows some just don't yet understand.

IF ALL truly KNEW What the Love and Fellowship With God was All about....ALL would RUN to God ,instead of Rejecting Him.

I wasn't questioning his WORD. I am also well aware of the salvation message. I was SEEKING his WORD. So...to paraphrase what you are saying...you believe that hell is a hybrid too....not only is it the absence of everything good, it is also the presence of everything bad. Do I understand you properly? Now, please help me find where the bible says that God cannot look upon sin. Cause it seems to me that there are at least 2 occasions where God and Satan have a conversation (in the garden of eden and in the beginning of Job). I'm not arguing with you, I'm just confused and want clarification.

Hell is when your wife or girl friend leaves crying !.
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Hell for me would be to be tied up in a chair and forced to watch little house on the prairie for eternity.

You were married to the devil? Wow I thought I had a bad X-husband.

Cherub-girl.. I wasn't directing my post towards you, Sweetie...was speaking to all in general.

Here is one place in the bible, where God could not look upon the face of sin(see below).

(Gotta run after this ..its my birthday....: happy:)

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............Can God Look Upon Sin?............


Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 both record Jesus’ response on the Cross to God’s apparent response to sin (turning from Him). The footnote in the Spirit-Filled Life Bible (over which Pastor Hayford served as General Editor) says:

"The cry of dereliction from Jesus, quoting Psalm 22:1, reflects the burden of humanity’s sin, complete identification with sinners, and a real abandonment by His Father."

The study notes from Psalm 22:1 read:

"...But perhaps the most significant statement in the entire Psalm is v. 1, which Jesus quoted from the Cross (Matthew 27:46). In that word we see God Himself turning away from His beloved Son who is bearing the sin of the world. Jesus is bearing man’s judgment, not only the judgment of death but also the judgment of separation from God. At that moment Jesus is experiencing the darkest moment of His life, and He bore it -- for us."

Habakkuk 1:13 is talking about God when it says, "You are of purer eyes than to behold evil, and cannot look on wickedness..." The footnotes under this portion of scripture read:

"God’s very nature cannot allow Him to behold evil without punishing the guilty ones."

Romans 8:34 and Hebrews 7:25 both speak of Christ making "intercession" for us before God the Father. So obviously He can look upon our sin; and through the atonement of Christ’s blood we are made clean, so we may have a relationship with our Father God. Aren’t you thankful for this? Praise God!


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Thank You MorningSong Happy Birthday!!

Thank You Cherub!!

But quickly, wanted to add this before I run....

IF a born again christian DOES mess up and sin again... AFTER he is a saved (and a chrstian WILL sin sometimes , cause he ain't perfect , just saved)...
God just sees the BLOOD of Jesus Now....Who made atonement for our sins.

amen

God sees His Son in us.

He sees we believe in God and believe that Jesus is of the Father.

It is the Son that is pleasing to the Father.

Now, it starts from that.

Believers in God, in the sincerity of their heart can recognize God's abiding love in Jesus' and likewise in His people.

That forms a bridge.

Such is why we have come to know Jesus as Lord.

Baptism is the answer of a clear conscience towards God.

But sin is dealt with at the cross already.

Water baptism and the baptism with the Holy Spirit come, one from our clear conscience, and two, the second baptism from God.

The two together bring us to an understanding of being hid in Christ.

Buried in baptism into the faith of the Son of God is another way of decscribing that which God does on our behalf and because of the answer of our faith in the faith of the Son of God, Jesus.

It is going to take a complete Bible study and prrayer meeting to accomplish explanations, but it only requires entering in and knowing what one is entering into.

It is best to always read the Holy Bible for onseself in its entirety for a sufficient knowledge of what is available from God through Jesus Christ.

All scripture is sufficient to bring one to a 'saving knowledge'of Jesus Christ.

At some point, action must meet the faith and belief.

At some point, partaking fully of His Word also means partaking of all that is offered.

But as it is written, in Hebrews 5:4-5.
And no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is calledof God, as was Aaron.
So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest ; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today hae I begotten thee.

and to us in 2 Thessalonians 2:12-14.
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation THROUGH SANCTIFICATION of the SPIRIT and belief of the truth :
Whereunto he CALLED you by our gospel, to tghe OBTAINING of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

See also Romans 8:28-30 about being called.

And see also 1 Peter: all ( especially noting chapter 1, verse 10-11.)this particular passage also defines Christ jesus as the one clearly having spoken through Old Testament prophets, but now through the Holy Spirit, the called and chosen have that anointing.

We are made also priests by that indwelling.

It is not just about ourselves.

It is about Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

It comes not without responsibilities.

But the empowering presence of the Holy Spirit is our rest from our labors, in Him.

It is not about flesh that serves sin, but about our spirits which serve God.

Paul says it best in his letter to the Romans7:24-25.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God ;
but with the flesh the law of sin.

We are called out of the world, but still in the world for Jesus' sake.

That is the covering for sin.

The blood and the water and the Spirit.

Thanks again MorningSong....I needed that one too. Got scripture to back that one up too? I think I need that one more than the scripture on God not being able to look upon sin.