Topic: The end is near......
beautyfrompain's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:23 PM



I'll forgive when he is out of my life for good! I'm still battling him in court and he's still hurting me, maybe not physically or emotionally anymore, but my credit has been hit and hit hard! It's screwing up my life and I will not rest until I get the last laugh!


understandable......but however....for your sake in time...please forgive him...."My Lord...please forgive them, for they know not what they do"


All the anger, bitterness, and unforgiveness is only hurting yourself.



I do not believe there is a god, or some sort of great being, so although that may sound good, it just doesnt work for me. That man spent years torturing me, I can not forgive, nor will I EVER forget. I can be thankful that I got away though.

willy_cents's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:23 PM
whew...just the final end of the world coming. I thought that someone had gotten a response from a mutual matchlaugh laugh laugh

andreajayne's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:25 PM
beauty, I disagree, by not letting it go, I am protecting myself. I am able to move on from this, but I'll never let it happen again. I am not an angry person, I am most often bubbly and happy. There is bitterness there, but it doesn't stop me from living my life, and he is the only person I refuse to forgive. Maybe it would be easier if he offered an appology, but he still thinks that I deserve everything he has handed me!

IamMewhoRU's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:26 PM
Edited by IamMewhoRU on Mon 05/12/08 05:33 PM
Dear lord,
as we all contimplate what is to happen there is one thing that is fer sure.....and I believe at least I hope that I speak for many when I say this......thank you for making me and that I am alive and in your image. I know that I will faith and come short of the glory of god.May I be strong and pledge myself and my future to you and your beliefs. May i make the right choices when I am wronged. May I look up and find strength in you to make it through each and everyday....specially the hard ones.May i also read and believe in the poem footprints which I do believe you are there carrying me when times are rough and I truly need you. And may you give me the strength to continue in believing in what i can not feel,can not see and can not hear with my own ears. May you be in my heart to help others when they are weak and down. May you give me another breath to hopefully change what I couldn't before and who I might be able to save. I ask this all in your precious name.......amen.May he all be with you.

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Mon 05/12/08 05:27 PM



The earth is a changing place, folks. This thought has come up throughout history. The end of the world is powerful tool to help make the fearful come around to the religious organizations.

This planet is going to change. We have proof of all the changes of the past. Ice ages, droughts, volcanic rises, etc.... The earth will continue to change and we will have to ride it out.

Our apocolypse may happen one day when the giant meteor hits us or some catastrophic change happens on this planet that we cannot adapt to but it will not be because of judgement day, it will be because that is the rule of nature as we know it. Mother nature is a force out of our control.


what i don't understand is how people will believe in some imaginary force like mother nature but can't believe the written word of the bible or the man that they actually saw get crucified and the earth shook when it happened but hey if it's easier for you to sleep at night believing in something doesn't make you be accountable for your wrong choices they by all means believe in a paper plate if it works for you. that doesn't work for me


Mother Nature is just a name for the forces on this planet, it is not an imaginary force. The natural workings of this planet are referred to as mother nature. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Natural forces on this changing planet will happen, it is not a god, it is not a devil, it is a natural change that happens on this planet and other planets in the universe. It is natural for us to experience these violent earth changes. Natural.


no the changes on the earth and in the weather are not natural...it is a direct effect of us humans and our total disreguard for the planet and the other living things on it. all people care about is finding ways to make life easier like cars with their exhaust polluting the air. that is why we have global warming and that is why so many things are changing in the weather. God didn't make the planet for us to destroy it...it will be destroyed you can count on that but it will be in God's time. the weather being messed up is just our punishment for the stupid choices that we make because we have free will.

no photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:28 PM
the end has been near since i was a lil tot in baptist schools. i am more concerned about MY last days than anything out of my control. Will I be right with God at that time? theres the real key to all this. We all will face our personal last day scenario..... be ready.
people have been expousing last day doctrine since two days after christ left... sometimes in a lot worse situations than we have ever faced here. yawn.

IamMewhoRU's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:29 PM

beauty, I disagree, by not letting it go, I am protecting myself. I am able to move on from this, but I'll never let it happen again. I am not an angry person, I am most often bubbly and happy. There is bitterness there, but it doesn't stop me from living my life, and he is the only person I refuse to forgive. Maybe it would be easier if he offered an appology, but he still thinks that I deserve everything he has handed me!


that's him.....not god. And think about this sweetie......if you can't forgive him should god forgive you? If we can not forgive others than how can he forgive us for falling short of him and his word as well as others we have wronged in our own lives. I feel your pain and know that it was tremendous....and I also know he must get a kick out of hurting you...but it only can hurt you if you let it.Forgiving him makes you the bigger person don't you think?

beautyfrompain's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:31 PM

Dear lord,
as we all comtimplate what is to happen there is one thing that is fer sure.....and I believe at least I hope that I speak for many when I say this......thank you for making me in your image. I know that I will faith and come short of the glory of god.May I be strong and pledge myself and my future to you and your beliefs. May i make the right choices when I am wronged. May I look up and find strength in you to make it through each and everyday....specially the hard ones.May i also rad and believe in the poem footprints which I do believe you are there carrying me when times are rough and I truly need you. And may you give me the strength to continue in believing in what i can not feel,can not see and can not hear with my own ears. May you be in my heart to help others when they are weak and down. May you give me another brath to hopefully change what I couldn't before and who I might be able to save. I ask this all in your precious name.......amen.May he all be with you.


Amen!

IamMewhoRU's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:32 PM

the end has been near since i was a lil tot in baptist schools. i am more concerned about MY last days than anything out of my control. Will I be right with God at that time? theres the real key to all this. We all will face our personal last day scenario..... be ready.
people have been expousing last day doctrine since two days after christ left... sometimes in a lot worse situations than we have ever faced here. yawn.


amen to this. I believe he is right when he says to be right and ready. Today could be any of our last days.

andreajayne's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:32 PM
but if there is no god, then no one is there to judge me. I tried forgiving him, and being there for him when he became suicial, he repaid me with more sh*t, and I refuse to forgive him anymore!

IamMewhoRU's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:34 PM

but if there is no god, then no one is there to judge me. I tried forgiving him, and being there for him when he became suicial, he repaid me with more sh*t, and I refuse to forgive him anymore!


I believe that this pain is temporary for you. I do believe that within some time you will get away from him and this will subside.....I was just asking you to consider....maybe not now....just period sweetie.

beautyfrompain's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:34 PM

but if there is no god, then no one is there to judge me. I tried forgiving him, and being there for him when he became suicial, he repaid me with more sh*t, and I refuse to forgive him anymore!

There is a God and if you do not forgive...He will not forgive you.

Mark 11 [26] But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

dutchman4u's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:35 PM
2012...A birdie just told me.huh

IamMewhoRU's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:35 PM


but if there is no god, then no one is there to judge me. I tried forgiving him, and being there for him when he became suicial, he repaid me with more sh*t, and I refuse to forgive him anymore!

There is a God and if you do not forgive...He will not forgive you.

Mark 11 [26] But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.


<<hanging head>> amen

IamMewhoRU's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:36 PM

2012...A birdie just told me.huh


this man must watch Van Impe or Hal lindsay eh? flowerforyou nice to have you with us.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:37 PM

2012...A birdie just told me.huh


Every time it doesn't happen the date gets put forward. Man has loved this doom day myth since his beginning for some reason. If the end was coming it would have already been here as per the nay sayers.

IamMewhoRU's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:39 PM
Doubt it....many signs listed in revelations have yet to pass.....God never said that this was fast or quick.

IamMewhoRU's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:53 PM
Edited by IamMewhoRU on Mon 05/12/08 05:53 PM
a lil post to everyone who posted on this thread.....agree or disagree with me....thanks for the posts.

and no hard feelings yall.flowerforyou

Lordling's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:54 PM
Pick a peck of pickled perdition.........

Oh noes!!!! :cry: So many choices - so little time! sad

325AD Any day now! You'll see!
500AD Here it comes!! It's a sure thing!!
1000AD Yes sir!! Right about now!
1500AD Absolutely, positively going to happen this time...No doubt about it!!!
1600AD-2000AD Every 100 years....Definitely imminent...Can't you feel it? I'm feeling it!!....Living on borrowed time; that's all we're doing!!

Eschatological Belief Summary (*Protestant)

Historical Premillennialism: This belief was held by a large percentage of Christians during the first three centuries of the Christian era, and is found in the works of Papias, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Methodius, Commodianus, and Lactanitus. The Antichrist first appears on Earth and the seven year Tribulation begins. Next comes the Rapture. Christ and his Church return to earth to rule for a Millennium. The forces of evil will be conquered. The faithful will live during this thousand years of peace in Jerusalem, while occupying spiritual bodies. After this period, all people are judged. The faithful will spend eternity on a new earth, (not in heaven).

After Christianity became the official religion of Rome in the fourth century CE, this was declared a heresy and suppressed.

Dispensational Premillennialism: (a.k.a. Dispensationalism) or merely Premillennialism, declared a heresy in ancient times, was reintroduced circa 1830. Most people credit John N. Darby with its resurrection. He was a minister of the Church of Ireland, a denomination in the Anglican communion, and the founder of the Plymouth Brethren. However, author Dave MacPherson claims that British pastor Edward Irving was the actual person responsible, and that a conspiracy was organized to give Darby the credit. Premillenialism received general acceptance by most Fundamentalists and other Evangelical Christians after the publishing of the Scofield Reference Bible in 1909. As in Historic Premillennialism, the Tribulation is believed to precede the second coming of Christ, and the subsequent establishment of the millennial kingdom -- a thousand-year golden age on Earth. The Final Judgment follows the millennium. But, theologians are divided over the timing of the Rapture. Many Premillennialists search world events and signs in the heavens for some indication of the Tribulation, which they anticipate will arrive at any time.

All of the theories that have been proposed about the timing of the Rapture appear to contradict some passages in the Bible. Current beliefs include:

Pre-Tribulation Rapture: (or "pre-trib") The Rapture happens just before the Tribulation, so that believers will not have to experience any of its disruption and pain. The main difficulties with pre-trib are contained in the Olivet Prophecy of Jesus. In Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, Jesus describes the terrible destruction and loss of life of the tribulation period. The disaster is believed to be so intense that no human (Christian or non-Christian alike) would remain alive, except that God shortens the duration of the disaster for the sake of the believers. Jesus then continues by describing his return towards earth immediately after the terrible devastation. From this passage, it is obvious that the rapture will follow the Tribulation. The supporters of the "pre-trib" position suggest that Jesus will have a total of three comings: the first during the first century CE; the second at the start of the tribulation, and a third at the end of the tribulation.

Post-tribulation Rapture: (or "post-trib") The faithful experience the full horrors of the entire Tribulation and are raptured only at the end of the 7 years. The main problem with this theory is that there are many Bible passages which state that Christ's return will be at a time that cannot be predicted. But the Tribulation period starts with the arrival of the Antichrist and an interval of peace. Precisely 42 months later, a sudden shift occurs, a peace treaty is broken, and devastation begins. These would be well defined dates that would allow an accurate prediction of the end of the Tribulation. There are other weaknesses to this theory. 7
bullet Mid-Tribulation Rapture: (or "mid-trib") The Rapture happens 42 months into the Tribulation. Up to that time, the Antichrist brings peace to the world. After 42 months, events take a sudden turn for the worse. Some supporters of the "mid-trib" position suggest that there will be many mini-raptures.

Pre-wrath Rapture: This is a new theory, promoted by Marvin Rosenthal, former director of Friends of Israel, and others. Their view teaches that the church must experience most of the Tribulation, and then be raptured towards the end of the Tribulation period.

Partial Rapture: This theory teaches that the faithful born-again believers are raptured just before the Tribulation. Newly born again believers are are raptured during or at the end of the Tribulation.

The latter three theories contain some of the weaknesses of pre-trib and post-trib.

All of the Premillennialist beliefs teach that the Tribulation is followed by 1000 years of peace when all live under the authority of Christ. Afterwards, in a brief, final battle, Satan is permanently conquered.

Dispensational Premillennialism contains an internal conflict. Its advocates generally believe "that the moral conditions of the world and the church are destined get increasingly worse. When they get almost unbearably bad, the Lord Jesus will return in the clouds to 'rapture' the living saints up to heaven." 11 However, they tend to be very outspoken and active in their opposition to many behaviors that they consider to be extremely sinful: abortion access, equal rights for homosexuals, same-sex marriage, pre-marital sex, adultery, sex education in schools, access to physician assisted suicide, the use of embryonic stem cells in healing, etc. By their opposition to these "hot" religiously controversial topics, they are delaying Jesus' return to earth, the rapture and the 1000 year millennium.

Amillennialism: (Also known as Nonmillennialism) Although this belief system was present from the early days of Christianity, St. Augustine (354 - 430 CE) was largely responsible for the establishment of Amillennialism as formal church belief. It remained the generally accepted system throughout Christianity until the 19th century. Many mainline Protestant denominations -- including many Reformed theologians and some Baptists -- still teach Amillennialism. They believe that the Kingdom of God is present in the world today through the presence of the the heavenly reign of Christ, the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Christianity. Both good and evil will continue in the world until the current Church Age ends suddenly as Christ returns to the sky above the earth. The Rapture follows. The Redeemed are transported to heaven where they will adopt spiritual bodies. The majority of humanity will be sent to Hell at this time for eternal punishment. The world will be abandoned. History is no more. Under this belief system, we are currently living in the Millennium and in the Tribulation period. Events described in The Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21) and in most of the book of Revelation are seen as occurrences which have already happened, or which are symbolic in nature and not to be taken literally. The Antichrist is looked upon figuratively and not as a real person. Amillennialism has gone out of favor in most conservative Protestant theological circles.

Postmillennialism: (Also known as "Christian Reconstruction", "Kingdom Now Theology" and "Dominion Theology.") This belief arose during the early 19th century CE. According to author Loraine Boettner, Postmillennialism involves "that view of last things which holds that the kingdom of God is now being extended in the world through the preaching of the gospel and the saving work of the Holy Spirit, that the world eventually is to be Christianized, and that the return of Christ will occur at the close of a long period of righteousness and peace, commonly called the millennium." The theory is based on the perception of a gradual movement towards social perfection. They predicted that a massive religious revival, spiritual awakening and purification would occur. The entire human race is converted to Christianity, including the Jews. A millennium of peace and righteousness follows. After the millennium, Jesus returns to earth, resurrects the dead believers, and conducts the last judgment. The Rapture and Tribulation are largely ignored. This belief is being actively promoted today by the Chalcedon Foundation and other groups within the Christian Reconstruction movement.

Preterism is a belief that the events prophesized in the New Testament have already happened. The great war of Armageddon in the book of Revelation occurred in the late 60's and early 70's CE when the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, many Jews were killed and the rest were driven from Palestine. When Jesus talked about the end of the world, he did not mean that the physical world would be no more. He taught that the old world-view held by various contemporary Jewish groups was coming to an end, to be replaced by a new concept, the Kingdom of God. Thus, all of the major elements in the book of Revelation (Tribulation, Armageddon, Rapture, etc.) actually took place in the first century CE.

No Millennialism: Most skeptics and liberal Christian theologians largely interpret the contents of the books of Daniel and Revelation as having no prophetic information for our future. Many regard Revelation as being composed of visions, hallucinations or nightmares of the author, of little meaning for Christians today. Some believe that the purpose of the book of Revelation was to stiffen resolve in the early Christian movement to withstand persecution by the Roman Empire. Thus, its purpose was to predict persecutions and other events that were to happened to the early Christian church. They also reject the apparent prophecies in the Book of Daniel. They believe that Daniel was written early in the 2nd century BCE, long after most of the events had actually happened. It was history recorded, not their future prophesied.

*See site for others
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IamMewhoRU's photo
Mon 05/12/08 05:59 PM
Edited by IamMewhoRU on Mon 05/12/08 06:00 PM
noway huh

shortened version?

are you a believer? according to the SN I would guess so...just askin. bigsmile drinker