Isn't all religion "organized?"

By the standards of the ones who make the Claim that they are "true Christians" and so many others are not.

JB

You see, I do feel that there are fakers who pretend to be Christians, but I just want to know if there is a way to tell the difference.

Baptism is an affirmation of being born in the spirit. Not required to get into heaven but Jesus said to follow Him in baptism. It is a representation or a witness to others of your faith in Christ.

I agree JB. It would be hard to tell if one is faking or misguided.I have issues with "organized religion" being an obvious oxymoron.

Only two people are required to be called a church.

Cool. I am an ordained Minister. I have three members. I guess I could be called a Church.

The First Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty.

Formerly

The Universal Life Church of Hot tubbing and Movie watching.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm popcorn! Gets kinda mushy in the hot tub eh?

Just a real nice place to relax. If you don't want the tub, you can use one of the recliners.

We drink wine and have popcorn on Wednesday nights.

"true christians" are those that believe in the god of the old testament and follow the laws set forth by that God

"false christians" have abandon the god of the old testament and proclaim Jesus as God in the new testament

Wednesday night communion.

YES.

John 1:32-34.
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
And I knew him not : but he that sent me to baptise with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptiseth with the Holy Ghost. (old English for Holy Spirit)
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

John, the beloved, was a disciple and he wrote this book and the John that he speaks of here is John the Baptist, believed by the Jews at the time to be a Prophet of the Lord.


So, John continues with his book testifying of Jesus and his minstry and writes this early on but subsequent to the first quote. John 3: 3-8.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter his mother's womb and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and ofthe Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is flesh is flesh ; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I say unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.
The wind bloweth where it lists, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell whence it comes, and where it goes : so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


I won't labor the point, but this is emphatic, and Jesus repeated himself here and also emphatically repeated himself with the "verily, verily" meaning truly, truly.


You have heard from believers who hold that belief and teaching and works is enough.

You have read what Jesus said about it.

The saints testify this and more, just as Jesus said.

I, a saint, born again and filled with the Holy Spirit, say that Jesus words are true.

He does in fact baptise with the Holy Spirit.

There are two teachings in the world.

One is churchianity, and it is man based doctrine and dogma and the believers are deceived and not changed and not anointed to preach, teach, or baptise the complete baptism.

One is Christianity which is fundamentally led by the Holy Spirit and the saints are all in one accord following the Holy Spirit and preaching and teaching the truth and have the witness in us and know the witness and we have the witness of God, in Christ.

The others have only the witness of men and men's confessions, but the Holy Spirit is not upon them. They have not been born again. They would know it if they had and would come out of the falsehoods and find themselves among the saints.

Believers are one thing and all are, be they born again and faithful, called and chosen, and saints or just unregenerate believers. "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing comes from God"

But the only Christian is a born again Christian and filled with the Holy Spirit, and born again with that baptism from God, in Christ, and are called and chosen and saints.


Matthew 20:16. (Jesus' words)
So the last shall be first and the first last : for many be called and few chosen. same in Mt 22:14. same taught in Luke 13:23-30.

Matthew7:13-15. (jesus' words.)
Enter ye at the strait gate; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be that which go in thereat;
Because strai is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life and few there be that find it.


Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.



Jesus warned of cchurchianity.

Every ill perpetrated in His Holy name has been done so by these liars.

Let the anger and defense for having it any other way begin, but there it is in the black and white of it.

Jeus also said, "Iam the way, and the truth and the Life."

He means that and in HIM, there is only one way.

Belief in God, or even believing that Jesus is also from God, does not in and of itself, constitute a Christian.

Being a doer of this word, does.

Being so inhabited by the Holy Spirit is a prerequisite. Period.


Anything found in the New Testament that is quoted as meaning otherwise, is a misuse of the teachings found in it.

That is the lie in the churchianity.

That is what is the root cause of the lies perpetrated on the world falsely by the false teachers and the pseudo-christians.

One must be born again.


That is all there is to it.

That is why people leave the churches feeling hollow and deceived and in bondage to men that want to own them in the name of a false Jesus.

It is not Christianity that is being left. It is a dead church without the anointing of the Holy Spirit that is being left.

And those that run from the Holy Spirit are not genuinely interested in goodness and righteousness anyway. They are running from God and not much will be heard from them. LOL

One knows when one is in the presence of the saints and the Holy Spirit. YUP.

quit clowning around funches.

that just about sums it up.

So Wouldee is claiming to be a saint.

Miles claims to be a prophet.

I wonder what Spider is.

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Does anyone else have any answers or opinions?


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Are you a saint too?

Spider is sick and tired.

Saint was a word used to mean "Christian" during the time of the apostles and for around 250-300 years after. The Catholic church changed the meaning, because they follow the doctrine of the Nicolaitans.

Thank you Spider.

I'm sorry you are sick and tired.

So "Saint" means "Christian?"

Jesus called all of his followers saints.

So I've been told. I didn't know that.

I am going to give up on this question, because I don't think there is an answer to how to tell who is "true" Christian and who is "false" Christian.

If they say they are a Christian I will take their word for it, and I will assume they believe in Jesus.

JB