You all are under a decietful spirit. Jc has almost brainwashed you to use what Satan wants to be called over the fathers and sons names. Read the 3rd commandment and study the word vain. Remember this is the only commandment that say he will not hold guiltless for breaking it. Yahshua said thier was only one sin that could not be forgiven. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Goes right back to what Yahweh said in the 3rd commandment. He says over and over everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh shall be saved (Yahshua) John 5 48 speaks of this false name. I give you facts all you give me is I feel. You are rebellios. You refuse to believe the truth the same as the pharasees. They had to make things up also..Miles

Miles, my messianic jewish brothers and sister call Jesus ,Yeshua Hammechiah.

Some of my other brothers and sisters in Christ, call Jesus just Yeshua.

And none of them have a problem with my calling Jesus , Jesus.

The most important thing is.....even though they call Jesus by the Hebrew name , I still see the Holy Spririt in each of their lives....amd recognize them as part of the flock.

Sorry to say, I can't say the same about you, Miles.

I perceive in my spirit,also, that you have not even ask Jesus by his Hebrew name, into your heart.
Cause you feel the keeping of the letter of the law, is "the way".


What you proclaim here is just religiousity and error, nothing more, Miles.


a jewish testimony

http://www.jewishvoice.org/site/PageServer?pagename=testimonies_Sharon_Allen


And read this Miles( article below)...this will help explain the "religiousity " you have fallen for.

Praying you will get free now....and come to know Jesus (Yeshua) too in your heart, with no more religous bondage.

There is JOY and FREEDOM in one's spirit when they have Jesus living in their heart.... and are serving Jesus....JOY and FREEDOM....and not this bondage you are in.:(

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/hebrew_roots.htm

Your right they could care less. They say Yeshua because they are afraid of blaspheming. Messianic Jews are all about bringing back rituals. They do more rituals that learning the word. I have been told I was in Danger for calling Yahshua our Messiah. Because they know that would be his real name.

Now if you want a test of leginimacy then tests do this.


You all believe Yahshua is our example.

Now i keep all the laws That Yahshua did and kept. So I am following his example.

Now you explain how you follow Yahshua's example? Miles

You keep tossing out this term letter of the law and saying that it is not important.

If you really think that is true then you would feel fine calling Jesus Satan.

would you be fine doing everything you do now but only changing Jesus name to Satan?

You also think it is important that the name is correct I bet.

So you believe that Yahshua was a liar? If you keep all of the laws like Yahshua did, then that means you are good. Yahshua said "there is none good but one, that is, God".

Show me where Jesus corrected someone for not calling him Yahshua and I'll admit you have a point.

Miles you wrote and I quote....

<<<<<<<<....Now i keep all the laws That Yahshua did and kept. So I am following his example.......>>>>>>>

Keeping all the law is NOT how you come to God.
You come to God thru BELIEVING and ACCEPTING Christ Jesus (Yeshua)....Him being the Free Gift of Grace offered us.

Jesus said , " NO man comes to the Father BUT by Me" .
Jesus did NOT say ,you come to the Father by keeping the law.
God knew NO man could keep all the law.


Stopping here.

Goodnite....

Read and appear less ignorant rabbit: http://www.spiritualabuse.org/members/letter_of_the_law.html

Night morning!

Read the book "Jews for Jesus".

Messianic jews are born again jews....and are not caught up in the letter of the law.

Thats OK star I can understand how this could go over your head

Spider you have no understanding at all. everyone has sinned and Yahshua did not.Why do you say he is your example and do hardly anything he did. Didn,t he say

John 14:6

6 Yahshua said to him, "I am the way , the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
NKJV

He is telling you the way to follow,how he lived, his obedience to his father. Our Example.. An example part of what we should do. We must do more in obeying our father than even Yahshua did. He said we would do greater things than he did.


That is nothing but the truth of the sscriptures and you hate it. That spirit that hates Yahweh's laws and spirit is Satans.


Also i have not got any answer about the 3rd commandment and the word vain. compared to blaspheming the Holy spirit. Where do you think the Holy Spirit comes from? Miles

Or afternoon.
(My Precious friends in Brisbane, Australia, are having their afternnoon tea(ones from Queensland)....and snacking on that weird stuff you spread on your bread, called uh...what's that name again..any Aussies in the house ?.....

Nite nite here....zzzzz

Morningstar you are the one who says I keep the letter of the law. Not me. I keep the spirit of the law. Because i want to and Yahweh has put the in my heart and mind.. as Heb. says

Heb 8:10
0 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
NKJV

The Apostles kept them after Yahshua's death. you say thier is no set day of rest. Then why was this written..

Heb 4:8-10

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of Yahweh. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as Yahweh did from His.
NKJV
Right thier it even says why we are to keep the 7th day sabbath. Because Yahweh did.

You can squirm all you want but i hope you will through out all the garbage you have been taught and let The Spirit of Truth teach you. As it says it will in Hebrews 4:8..Miles

The thief on the cross was a criminal. He cursed and mocked Jesus, but then he repented and told the other thief to leave Jesus alone. How well did he follow Jesus, while he hanged upon the cross? Did he do a good job? I would guess he didn't get a chance to celebrate Sabbath or not eat pork or say Yahshua over and over, but Jesus promised him that he would be in paradise that day. He was saved by accepting Jesus, not following the law. You called me a Pharisee, but it is you who is obcessed with the law. Have you read the New Testament or do you reject it?

Spider he did not need to. what a mute point. they knew his name. It was spread all over.

one thing you do not understand what was really happening. Yahshua himself said he had the right to forgive sins. The thief could do no more than recongize that Yahshua was the son of Yahweh and had a kingdom. The more you know the more that is expected of you. or do you as a sow and go waller back in the mud once it had been cleaned. Yahshua forgave him and he was forgiven. period. But to live your life spreading Yahweh's word in a lie is a very dangerous thing to do...Miles

A pharasees Spider is anyone who goes beyond Yahweh's laws and claim them as truth. That is why you are a pharasee...Miles

I see that you are taking a page from the playbook of your favorite Biblical scholars and taking the Word out of context.

Hebrews 4:4-5


Read that. The author is saying that God commanded the Israelites to take rest. Not on any particular day, but throughout their lives. But they wouldn't, because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:6


So God limited the required rest from everyday to one day, the Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:7


If the Israelites had accepted the rest that Jesus offered, they wouldn't have given any thought to the Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:8


The people of God (Christians) are still required to rest.

Hebrews 4:9


And now that Jesus rests eternally from his work on the cross, we should also rest (from our worries) every day.

Hebrews 4:10


Let us attempt to be at rest in Jesus every day, so that no man will be led to doubt Jesus.

No, you cannot redefine the word. The accepted defintion of Pharisee is just fine, you cannot and will not redefine it while you discuss with me.

Pharisee (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pharisee)


Sorry man, but that's you. If you want to start throwing insults, you should make sure your nose is clean.

wow.

I have seen him, Miles

Yashua, Jesus, same...and He spoke to you.

Like it or not, He is JHWH. It is written and you read it...
Exodus 3:14.

Jesus said, nobody but he speaks for the Father, that means no one speaks for the Father but Him. Tha is who spoke to the prophets of the LORD, JHWH.

That is who speaks, no other.

The New Testament is clear.


I can accept that you have the Holy Spirit, and know that you hold a licentious view of scripture.

I don't say that your calling is disengenuous.

Your teachers are elitist and self serving and you have more faith in them than scripture, but over time you shall calm andsee the truth.

Either that, or you will stop reading and teaching from the New testament over time because it testifies against you.

The preachers that you hold are with you and cannot preach what you preach are clearly either being needlessly polite to allow you to leave frustrated and take your unteachable errors elsewhere, or they are the churchianity that we both agree are still lost.

Nwevertheless, Miles, the Church of Jesus Christ is alive and well and victorious in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.

It has withstood the errors and does stand better for it.

I stand against false doctrines, myself.

Your only abberation is calling the LORD, JHWH, the Father.

It is false. There is no excuse for that, it just is what it is and scripture testifies against your error.

Best put down the Holy Bible and teach your work without it, seeing that it cannot support your heresy.

It is only heresy because it cannot stand Biblically.

But teaching your view requires the Holy Bible for everything else you say.

You have a dilemma.

That dilemma is, that you are a false teacher teaching errancy that is unbiblical. You cannot stand when the Holy Bible refutes your opinion, which is all that it is, albeit misguided and misdirected by errant teachers that have deceived you for their own profit.

You are limiting yourself, Miles.

It stopped you at the JHWH is the Father. Nothing past that can bring you further, until you repair the breach of the promise within your own heart. God didn't put that there, but God will open your eyes when you are ready. You are not ready yet.

In the meantime, you are being attacked, and villified and troubled on every side.

It must be the devil, right?

right?

hello?

Scriptural congruity Miles. Integrity

It invokes trust, Miles.

We were not there, but it brought you to what?

Another book excited your heart, but did the Holy Bible clarify the truth or give you license to see only what you want to see?

Jesus said this, which I am leaving you with.

You sincerely need to memorize all of John chapters 14-16, Miles.

It is Jesus' own blueprint for his saints, Miles. His "sanctified ones", the Church of Jesus Christ, none other.


Before I do, what WAS YOUR BEGINNING?, Miles


What did you learn first, Miles?

Jesus' words, or man's words, Miles?


JOHN 15 : 26-27 Jesus speaking, Miles.

"But when the Comforteris come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the [bSpirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father,.....




....he shall testify of me:


27) And ye shall bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning."


John 16 : 15.

All things that the Father hath are mine : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Here is his last will and testament in a prayer to the Father, Miles. It is the whole of John chapter 17, but I will only quote verses 24-26 that end his prayer.

"Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am ; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me : for thou lovest me before the foundation of the world.

O, righteous Father, the world hath not known thee : but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it : that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

You are none of his (by these words which are authoritative beyond your own,) only because they are His Words.

It is His Church, Miles.

The Father is His Father, Miles, not JHWH. Jesus is JHWH with these words.


I am not right, the Holy Bible is right.

I stand on it for simplicity's sake, Miles.

You and your friends, the pantheist included, (as you say) use it to make new doctrines which are mutually exclusive in that the Holy Bible is your contradiction.

A big error, Miles.

That is what is commonly known as heresy.

But if you don't quote it or use it to teach your religious beliefs, then it is not heresy.





See how simple it is to be not called a heretic?

Just don't be one.


I respect your right to believe as you wish, Miles.

I respect your rights and priveleges to preach and teach and rejoice in your beliefs, Miles.


But when you are a false teacher of Christianity (by any other name, for that maater), I am going to correct you.


You stand corrected by the authority of scripture, Miles.

It is not my opinion. I don't have one.

I am a Christian and it is my duty ( I am judged for all I say and do in Jesus name, I have no excuse)to teach the truth and stand on the Biblical record for reproof of false doctrines, all of which use this Holy Bible as a source for their machinations, which is hypocrisy to do so.

Especially when it calls you deceived in a falsehood. That is the heresy.


learn, grow and be at peace.