Didn't Yahshua plainly say he could do nothing without his father. and also if Yahshua was the father why this statement...

Matt 28:18-20
And Yahshua came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
NKJV NOW WHY WOULD YAHWEH NEED TO BE GIVEN ALL AUTHORITY?

Rev 21:22-24

But I saw no temple in it, for Yahweh Elohim Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of Yahweh illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
NKJV Why speak of 2 different entities if they are really one.


Rev 22:1

And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of Yahweh and of the Lamb.
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The throne is clearly has the father and son in it.

The word is true, the I AM is true. He came in the Authority of the Father Yahweh. Just the same as when he says up above that All Authority has been given him. Blessings..Miles

heretical statement Miles.

The Father is not JHWH. JHWH was sent...see Exodus 3:14.

you still miss the point.

no one at any time has seen the Father, but JHWH, wich in the flesh is Jesus. Which is the Word.LOGOS
This is what always miffs you about the scriptures and it always will until you are ready to see the error of that misinterpretation by men.

Where you are misled, is by men that will tell you that the Holy Spirit has not been dispenced yet to all flesh.

That comes after the Church age is complete, Miles.

It is not complete until all those which shall be saved from judgement which are yet to be born within the clock for man that God has established.; that shall comprise the Church of Jesus Christ and be consummated a finished work at the end of this age.

Then the final outpouring which you are taught will come.

In the meantime, your opportunity is present to enter the Church and receive now by faith, not by compulsion at the end of the age.

The shortcoming which is a lie not from God is that there is no outpouring now. That is the only justification men can rationalize for not having entered into the truth in this age, assuming that their own righteousness is so great that God could not possibly overlook them now.

SO, in justifying themselves to you, they conclude that you will have an intellectual understanding now,

That intellectual understanding has ended your search for you and htat end is not from God, but convenient for you to assume because your teachers appear to love you so much.

That is their goal. to justify themselves with your belief in them.

They look at their work and not at the truth.

your are but their own justification, in their own minds for their own good.

That you are deceived is that they are deceived.

But to remain unchanged and unfulfilled now is to miss out on your God given opportunity, which is a yearning these men will never quench in your heart.

They do not share your yearning.

they only seek to profit by your yearning and justify themselves with works, which is men.

You are justified by faith through grace and that is not of your own doing, it is the free gift of God, to whosoever will.

remove yourself from these men and seek God's guidance to lead you into a place where there are true witness of God to witness your confession of faith. Then God can justify you.

But coming another way, justifies only carnal men which deceive you.

Nevertheless, the deception is known to your heart.

But the yearning in your heart knows that these men are not able to quench and satisfy the yearning in your heart for God.

Truly, in the judgement you shall be judged by your works of righteousness, but those works do not justify you before the Living God. Mercy shall be bestowed.

Grace allows you to be justified by the Lord's righteousness and be saved from the judgement.

You are fortunate to be born in the age of this dispensation.

if in fact, you love righteousness and truly seek the righteouusness of God, and not men.

Who wrote the Book that has the story of Noah in it. ( I know I can look this up on the net! I ask it here because I want to get the input of the people here)

What purpose would it serve for God to talk to himself? And tons of people he spoke to in the Bible.....

If God can just speak to the masses with an audible voice from heaven anytime he so chooses, then why doesn't he just speak up when men and armies are doing things he doesn't approve of?

Telling just a handful people who are standing around a baptism service isn't going to do much good. Why even bother? What would be the point to it?

Clearly this is written into the Bible in an attempt to give undeniable credence to the authenticity of Jesus’ stature as being sent by God. Many such incredulous claims were made about many divinities in various Mediterranean mythologies.

I think the main point here is to ask why would God even bother doing this? If God was going to speak out he should have spoken out when Jesus was being questioned by the Romans right before the crucifixion.

It just seems to me the biblical God has really bad timing concerning when and where to speak out.

so

Wooldee

heretical statement Miles. You must of lost your mind. Yahweh is the father. Yahshua came in his name. Taking on the family name when he was born the son of man. the same as the chosen will take on the family name. Yahweh the father was not in the burning bush. It was his son speaking in his fathers name. He even spoke about the commander who said you say it and i know it will be done. What did Yahshua say. I have not seen such faith in all of Israel. This was the same concept of Yahshua and his father in the OT.Now the glowing of Moses face when the backside of the father went by the cliff is a mystery. Yahweh waits untill all sin is wiped out to come to earth with his many mansions Yahshua made for his bride. Royalty.I do not believe i have ever said the Holy spirit is not here among men. I will say very few men. Why because of the very thin Rev 12 speaks of about the bride. what they will do. If you snuff the 7th day sabbath I will boldly say the spirit of truth is not in you but may be guiding as ling as you accept his word as it comes. The lie that is heretical is that Yahweh made a mistake. He did not the people did and he is having mercy on them.

Isa 8:19-20

19 And when they say to you,"Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter," should not a people seek their Elohim? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
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Thst is very clear. in The ot the Testimony was Josephs testimony to the egyptians and his family. Now that Testimony is Yahshua our messiah. Yahweh also spoke at the transformation.

Matt 17:1-8

Now after six days Yahshua took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Yahshua, "Master, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses , and one for Elijah ." (The 2 witnesses to come in thier name.)

5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying,"This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. 7 But Yahshua came and touched them and said, "Arise, and do not be afraid." 8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Yahshua only.
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What they saw is another matter.

Then Peter talks about it again.


2 Peter 1:16-18

For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Master Yahshua our Messiah, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory:"This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." 18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain .
NKJV Then Yahshua comes for the 1000 year regign and while he is still on earth Yahweh the Father brings the New Jerusalem down adorned as a Bride for Yahshua. To say that Yahweh is not 1 is what is heretical and thier is no light in them. Sorry but calling me Heretical is not a thing to take lightly..Blessings of Shalom..Miles

Oh Wooldee you u like to use the greek word Logos on here. It does not fit the OT.

Another little tid bit that I have claimed ever sence I came on this site.is
They are finally admitting that very few Israelites during Yahshua's life spoke any GREEK. Only the Elite educated ones like the high priests.

They say it is for sure Yahshua spoke Hebrew or Aramic and all of his followers would not of had the money to school in greek as it was a left over language of the time.

So that greek NT that sounds like Zeus is exactly what it is if you do not follow Torah to understand its sayings..Miles

Miles.. you have stated before, that you are not a Christian.
And that is why you will not be able to rightly divide the Word of God.

The devil can quote scripture too you know ..and slighly twist it....
Not saying you are the devil now...

Miles... unless a man is born again(meaning of the word Christian), he will not be able to rightly divide the Word of God.
The Holy Spirit comes to live in those who are born again... and becomes our guide ...but the Holy Spririt can ONLY come to dwell in those who have truly become born again.

And because you are not born again, and accepted Jesus(or Yashua...same name) as Lord... you will continue to misunderstand what Wouldee is saying..and because of your misunderstanding , You are even now making it "appear" that Wouldee said something else...when he didn't.

Also... you are caught up in legalism.

The bible says the Letter of the Law Killeth, but the Spirit Freeth.

Every day becomes a day of worship when one becomes born again , Miles..not just one day.

Morning Song... I am a Yahwist of the Way.. This is what Peter and the Apostles called themselves. ( The Way) You were mocked and called Christians at Antiock. You call yourselves what pagans and Heathens called you.. It is the other way around Morningsong. I can rightfully divide scripture and no one here has been able to refute me with any since at all.Untill you throw away this Anti-Messiahs name and call upon the only name under heaven by which man can be saved. You will follow the Angel of light Spoken of in The Scriptures which came about around the time King James put his name on a bible. If you want to challenge any of my beliefs or anyone else lets see where the Spirit of Truth is..Blessings..Miles

right that is somewhat puzzling because if God talked to himself it would seem that he was a little crazy ...but if Jesus is God as some christians believe then why did Jesus say "father forgive them for they know not what they do"

so either jesus is not God or if jesus is god then jesus has a father or if jesus is god then he talks to himself ..

You know what is sad Morningsong... I have been to your ministers, Evangelists, theolgians and so be scholars. All of them have to agree with what I am saying is what the scriptures say.Then they want to know what school I went to. It blows them away when i tell them the spirit of truth has been my guide to learning. Then they say well we can't preach this to the people because we would lose so many souls that would leave the church. They have not saved anyone anyway. What thier real point is, if i preach this how am I going to feed my family because they will get rid of me. So they are from corners of Darkness and do as Peters says itchy ears. Feed the people what they want to hear. All of you should print all i have ever said and take it to your preacher and just see what his reaction is and what he tells you. All the reading of the scriptures you want will never allow you to understand untill you get rid of JC and never say that name agian and call upon Yahweh's son Yahshua as the True Messiah and he promices then will he open your eyes..Shalom...Miles

u r right Funches Blessings of Shalom..Miles

Miles,

Very interesting....

Your posts have been refuted many times, but you refuse to admit you are wrong.

refute then.. i stand by what i say. why do u think so many posts get killed when i post? You are in the religion that the prophecied Angel of light would come in his own name and if it were possible would decieve the whole world. This is a warning I have seen things and been shown things your mind would not even comprehend. I was chosen when I was 3 years old. When i new nothing. But I knew who was talking to me out of a fiery cloud that unrolled like a scroll. Prove what you believe instead of being a pharasee and not wanting change or the truth..Miles

Remember Hilla Iraq. I was in a chat room at 9:30 am and i saw a vision of rockets being fired and women and children screaming on fire. I was relaying to the chat room what i was seeing as i saw it. at 9:45am cnn broke in with breaking news that the reporter did not know what was going on the govt. had ordered a media blackout and he said he could hear and see our gunships and then they broke away. ^ hours later was the next report saying 2 suicide bombers had blown up a Market in Hilla 168 dead 200+ wounded. Hardly heard anything about it and most of it has been pulled from the internet. The next day that same reporter said down thier about 2 miles is where the bombing happened the military would not let them come closer. then the story died. We were after someone in that market and we set off all hell loose on it. That is what i saw. You will here about Hilla again when we or the govt. desides to release the real story. Just remember this post and Hilla and see if it does not come to pass that we massacured those people,,Blessings..Miles

Why would I want to waste my time? The scriptures are already against you, but you will deny and twist the scriptures to fit your own beliefs. There is nothing for me to gain. I don't like to argue and that's all we will do.

take the easy road spider. I know you do not want to give up your tradions that are not found anywhere in Yahweh's word. Hopefully you will use your brain and think. You know who are the 2 most knowledgeable people on hear about the Bible? Wabbit and Abra. They used thier head and saw how hipocriticall it was and what they were being told. So they did the right thing they left it. They still want to believe but the churches of today has hardened thier hearts. Those minister will be beaten with many stripes for lying to a child of Yahweh..Blessings...Miles

I can't argue with that. Like I said, it would be a complete waste of my time to discuss the Bible with you, when you are convinced that they are Bible experts. Of course, if they are the two most knowledgable about the Bible, that means they know more than you. If they know more about the Bible than you and choose to be a pantheist and an atheist, then you are wrong. You have refuted your own beliefs, with your outrageous claims. Obviously it is you who needs to "use your brain and think".