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Topic: Evangelicals admit they are out of touch with mainstream Ame
Lindyy's photo
Sat 05/03/08 08:25 PM




flowerforyou Lindyy---If you notice, I didnt say anything bad about Billy Graham.flowerforyou


Well, yippee doo!

Why not? After all Billy Graham is the GREATEST EVANGELICAL OF ALL MODERN TIME?

Lindyy
PTL
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flowerforyou Yes, he probably isflowerforyou


is he the one in that commercial sitting on the bench with sharpton or is that a differnt one ??????????????????


OMG, if you do not know Billy Graham, just forget it. Good Grief. grumble grumble grumble

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Sat 05/03/08 08:26 PM


flowerforyou In my heart, perhaps I am a little jealous of people like you Lindyy.flowerforyou I wish I could trust these political and religious leaders. Everytime Ive tried, it has required turning my back on the suffering inflicted on my fellow man.flowerforyou I dont think anyone is worthless.flowerforyou I dont think its right to hurt people who are different from me.flowerforyou I just cant accept thatflowerforyou


Mirror:

Jealous of WHAT?

God is there for you just as He is for me!! You are just breaking His heart because you turn away from Him. Yet, He loves you unconditionally, and He understands your heart. He is just waiting for YOU to go to HIM.

Lindyy
PTL
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flowerforyou I wasnt talking about "GOD" Lindyy.flowerforyou I was talking about the human politicians and religious leaders that have us humans killing each other all over the world for "what is right".flowerforyou

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Sat 05/03/08 08:31 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sat 05/03/08 08:32 PM


laugh What is the Evangelical message nowadays? laugh Is it "Kill-em All"?laugh I know thats coming eventually.flowerforyou I wonder why evangelicals dont get along better with those nuts in the middle east.flowerforyou Evangelicals are becoming more like the MiddleEastern nuts every year.flowerforyou


Mirror,

You keep putting your foot in your mouth. If you read the Bible, God tells of exactly what is going to take place in the Mid East. ALL nations will turn against Israel. It has already been spoken by God, but yet Israel will prevail as God is their Lord, He will never leave them nor forsake them.

Lindyy
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flowerforyou Whats your point?flowerforyou Maybe its true. flowerforyou Im done giving up on peace, giving up on love just because of what a 2000 year old scripture says. flowerforyou If its gonna happen then it will happen.flowerforyou So be it. flowerforyou God will take care of it.flowerforyou What does that got to do with the Evangelicals?.flowerforyou

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Sat 05/03/08 08:31 PM

Lindyy-- Im tired of giving up on hope.flowerforyou Im tired of walking away from what is right just because some politicians and ministers say so.flowerforyou I love my fellow man.flowerforyou I dont like seeing them suffer.flowerforyou Im sure "GOD" doesnt either. flowerforyou Im tired of war and fear and being told thats all there is.flowerforyou I would rather be wrong than give up on my fellow man anymore no matter what they have done.flowerforyou Im sick and tired of giving up on love.:heart: I have said some strong things tonite.flowerforyou I stand by those words. flowerforyou I hate those that decieve and hurt my friends and family.flowerforyou


Mirror:

I really do not know where this is all coming from within you. I truly don't.

USE your own mind.

I am sorry, but Jesus has said that "there will be wars and rumors of wars." I cannot change God's plan for this earth.

If you walk away from what YOU feel is right, that is ON YOU! Do NOT take the coward's way out and blame someone else. noway

PLEASE, just read John 3:16. "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life everlasting."

NOW if God loved YOU Mirror, that much, why not go to Him for your hurts and questions. He will use the Holy Spirit to direct you.

Lindyy
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adj4u's photo
Sat 05/03/08 08:33 PM
well it has been so long since i seen him

and i am not good with faces

i think they used there names but oh well

guess it does not really matter

here a gram there a gram

everywhere a gram gram


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Sat 05/03/08 08:39 PM
I'm not sure of who's sitting with Sharpton. Pretty sure it's not Graham. I'm currently reading a great book by Graham. It's called Peace with God. I've learned two very important things from it:

1. Repentance involved the soul, mind and the body. With the mind we accept it and know it, with the soul we feel it and with the body we obey.

2. Salvation occurs with the infilling of the Holy Spirit. It is literally God living within us that brings us to eternal life. Got eternal life? You are literally an immortal living on the Earth (my conclusion, not Grahams on this immortal stuff, but still, mind boggling, in my book).

All politics aside, folks.

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Sat 05/03/08 08:39 PM


Lindyy-- Im tired of giving up on hope.flowerforyou Im tired of walking away from what is right just because some politicians and ministers say so.flowerforyou I love my fellow man.flowerforyou I dont like seeing them suffer.flowerforyou Im sure "GOD" doesnt either. flowerforyou Im tired of war and fear and being told thats all there is.flowerforyou I would rather be wrong than give up on my fellow man anymore no matter what they have done.flowerforyou Im sick and tired of giving up on love.:heart: I have said some strong things tonite.flowerforyou I stand by those words. flowerforyou I hate those that decieve and hurt my friends and family.flowerforyou


Mirror:

I really do not know where this is all coming from within you. I truly don't.

USE your own mind.

I am sorry, but Jesus has said that "there will be wars and rumors of wars." I cannot change God's plan for this earth.

If you walk away from what YOU feel is right, that is ON YOU! Do NOT take the coward's way out and blame someone else. noway

PLEASE, just read John 3:16. "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life everlasting."

NOW if God loved YOU Mirror, that much, why not go to Him for your hurts and questions. He will use the Holy Spirit to direct you.

Lindyy
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flowerforyou I agree with 99% of what you just said except the part about "wars and rumors of wars".flowerforyou Yes, I have heard this my whole life. flowerforyou That is what i am talking about.flowerforyou Im tired of giving up on believing that peace can rule this world because of what some 2000 year old piece of scripture says.flowerforyou No matter who it is attributed to.flowerforyou I dont think humanity should suffer for this.flowerforyou Im not going to believe it.flowerforyou Im not going to give up on hope.flowerforyou Im refusing to believe that this is the end.flowerforyou Why not a begining?flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 05/03/08 08:41 PM
flowerforyou If we are all of value to "GOD" and can find redemption, why cant we find a new begining and not an end?flowerforyou

adj4u's photo
Sat 05/03/08 08:41 PM

I'm not sure of who's sitting with Sharpton. Pretty sure it's not Graham. I'm currently reading a great book by Graham. It's called Peace with God. I've learned two very important things from it:

1. Repentance involved the soul, mind and the body. With the mind we accept it and know it, with the soul we feel it and with the body we obey.

2. Salvation occurs with the infilling of the Holy Spirit. It is literally God living within us that brings us to eternal life. Got eternal life? You are literally an immortal living on the Earth (my conclusion, not Grahams on this immortal stuff, but still, mind boggling, in my book).

All politics aside, folks.


i think it is a global warming ad (but not sure) do not pay that much attention to slanted points of view

adj4u's photo
Sat 05/03/08 08:44 PM
googaled it it is robertson

that makes more sense

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 05/03/08 08:48 PM
flowerforyou Thank you Lindyy sweetheart.flowerforyou I needed to have this discussion.flowerforyou It got a lot off of my chest.flowerforyou Thank you so much sweetheart.flowerforyou I feel a lot better now.laugh ventedlaugh


:heart: LEE:heart:

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Sat 05/03/08 08:51 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 05/03/08 08:53 PM



Lindyy-- Im tired of giving up on hope.flowerforyou Im tired of walking away from what is right just because some politicians and ministers say so.flowerforyou I love my fellow man.flowerforyou I dont like seeing them suffer.flowerforyou Im sure "GOD" doesnt either. flowerforyou Im tired of war and fear and being told thats all there is.flowerforyou I would rather be wrong than give up on my fellow man anymore no matter what they have done.flowerforyou Im sick and tired of giving up on love.:heart: I have said some strong things tonite.flowerforyou I stand by those words. flowerforyou I hate those that decieve and hurt my friends and family.flowerforyou


Mirror:

I really do not know where this is all coming from within you. I truly don't.

USE your own mind.

I am sorry, but Jesus has said that "there will be wars and rumors of wars." I cannot change God's plan for this earth.

If you walk away from what YOU feel is right, that is ON YOU! Do NOT take the coward's way out and blame someone else. noway

PLEASE, just read John 3:16. "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life everlasting."

NOW if God loved YOU Mirror, that much, why not go to Him for your hurts and questions. He will use the Holy Spirit to direct you.

Lindyy
:heart:
flowerforyou I agree with 99% of what you just said except the part about "wars and rumors of wars".flowerforyou Yes, I have heard this my whole life. flowerforyou That is what i am talking about.flowerforyou Im tired of giving up on believing that peace can rule this world because of what some 2000 year old piece of scripture says.flowerforyou No matter who it is attributed to.flowerforyou I dont think humanity should suffer for this.flowerforyou Im not going to believe it.flowerforyou Im not going to give up on hope.flowerforyou Im refusing to believe that this is the end.flowerforyou Why not a begining?flowerforyou


Amen brother!

I have that same conversation with my Jehovah friends every Sat morning!
I tell them they are doomsayers. That is the only thing they talk about. The end, and preach it as a fact while rejoicing in it. I tell them that unlike them I believe in hope and in human goodness. I dont believe we are lost yet!
They respond by praying for my soul!laugh laugh laugh

Every Sat we go through this. I'm never mean to them nor do I ask them to leave. I believe I can save them from their pessimistic thoughts!!

I pray for their souls. They are lost and dont know it!!drinker drinker

Lindyy's photo
Sat 05/03/08 09:34 PM

flowerforyou Thank you Lindyy sweetheart.flowerforyou I needed to have this discussion.flowerforyou It got a lot off of my chest.flowerforyou Thank you so much sweetheart.flowerforyou I feel a lot better now.laugh ventedlaugh


:heart: LEE:heart:


Mirror:

I understand. You are sooooo welcome.

God's ways are higher than our ways, His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. That is in Isaiah.

I do not understand everything, I just put my trust in Him. Believe me, I have had my times 'arguing' with God. He always wins though.grumble grumble grumble

Lindyy
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mnhiker's photo
Sun 05/04/08 10:21 AM
ARTIST: Leonard Bernstein
TITLE: God Said
Lyrics


[Mass]

God said, Let there be light, and there was
God said, Let there be night, and there was
God said, Let there be day, and there was
Day to follow the night
And it was good, brother
And it was good, brother
And it was good, brother
And it was goddam good

God said, Let there be storms
Storms to bring life in all of its forms
Forms such as herds and gaggles and swarms
Swarms that have names and numbers and norms
And it was good, sister
And it was good, sister
And it was good, sister
And it was goddam good

God said, Let there be gnats
Let there be sprats to gobble the gnats
So that the sprats may nourish the rats
Making them fat, fine food for the cats
And they grew fat, brother
And they grew fat, brother
All but the gnats, brother
They all grew fearful fat

And God saw it was good
God made it be good
Created it good
Created the gnats to nourish the sprats to nurture the rats
And all for us big fat cats
Us fat cats!

God said it's good to be poor
Good men must not be secure
So if we steal from you
It's just to help you stay pure
And it was good!
And it was good, sister...

God said take charge of my zoo
I made these creatures for you
So he won't mind if we
Wipe out a species or two
And it was good!
And it was good, brother...

God said to spread His commands
To folks in faraway lands
They may not want us there
But man it's out of our hands
And it was good!
And it was good, sister...

God said that sex should repulse
Unless it leads to results
And so we crowd the world
Full of consenting adults
And it was good!
And it was good, brother...

God said it's good to be meek
And so we are once a week
It may not mean a lot
But oh, it's terribly chic
And it was good!
And it was good, sister...

God made us the boss
God gave us the cross
We turned it into a sword
To spread the Word of the Lord
We use His holy decrees
To do whatever we please
And it was good, yeah
And it was good, yeah
And it was goddam good

Lindyy's photo
Sun 05/04/08 08:54 PM

ARTIST: Leonard Bernstein
TITLE: God Said
Lyrics


[Mass]

God said, Let there be light, and there was
God said, Let there be night, and there was
God said, Let there be day, and there was
Day to follow the night
And it was good, brother
And it was good, brother
And it was good, brother
And it was goddam good

God said, Let there be storms
Storms to bring life in all of its forms
Forms such as herds and gaggles and swarms
Swarms that have names and numbers and norms
And it was good, sister
And it was good, sister
And it was good, sister
And it was goddam good

God said, Let there be gnats
Let there be sprats to gobble the gnats
So that the sprats may nourish the rats
Making them fat, fine food for the cats
And they grew fat, brother
And they grew fat, brother
All but the gnats, brother
They all grew fearful fat

And God saw it was good
God made it be good
Created it good
Created the gnats to nourish the sprats to nurture the rats
And all for us big fat cats
Us fat cats!

God said it's good to be poor
Good men must not be secure
So if we steal from you
It's just to help you stay pure
And it was good!
And it was good, sister...

God said take charge of my zoo
I made these creatures for you
So he won't mind if we
Wipe out a species or two
And it was good!
And it was good, brother...

God said to spread His commands
To folks in faraway lands
They may not want us there
But man it's out of our hands
And it was good!
And it was good, sister...

God said that sex should repulse
Unless it leads to results
And so we crowd the world
Full of consenting adults
And it was good!
And it was good, brother...

God said it's good to be meek
And so we are once a week
It may not mean a lot
But oh, it's terribly chic
And it was good!
And it was good, sister...

God made us the boss
God gave us the cross
We turned it into a sword
To spread the Word of the Lord
We use His holy decrees
To do whatever we please
And it was good, yeah
And it was good, yeah
And it was goddam good


mnhiker:

You are playing with fire when you mock God. I do not know what gets into you.frown noway


mnhiker's photo
Sun 05/04/08 09:35 PM
Edited by mnhiker on Sun 05/04/08 09:40 PM


ARTIST: Leonard Bernstein
TITLE: God Said
Lyrics


[Mass]

God said, Let there be light, and there was
God said, Let there be night, and there was
God said, Let there be day, and there was
Day to follow the night
And it was good, brother
And it was good, brother
And it was good, brother
And it was goddam good

God said, Let there be storms
Storms to bring life in all of its forms
Forms such as herds and gaggles and swarms
Swarms that have names and numbers and norms
And it was good, sister
And it was good, sister
And it was good, sister
And it was goddam good

God said, Let there be gnats
Let there be sprats to gobble the gnats
So that the sprats may nourish the rats
Making them fat, fine food for the cats
And they grew fat, brother
And they grew fat, brother
All but the gnats, brother
They all grew fearful fat

And God saw it was good
God made it be good
Created it good
Created the gnats to nourish the sprats to nurture the rats
And all for us big fat cats
Us fat cats!

God said it's good to be poor
Good men must not be secure
So if we steal from you
It's just to help you stay pure
And it was good!
And it was good, sister...

God said take charge of my zoo
I made these creatures for you
So he won't mind if we
Wipe out a species or two
And it was good!
And it was good, brother...

God said to spread His commands
To folks in faraway lands
They may not want us there
But man it's out of our hands
And it was good!
And it was good, sister...

God said that sex should repulse
Unless it leads to results
And so we crowd the world
Full of consenting adults
And it was good!
And it was good, brother...

God said it's good to be meek
And so we are once a week
It may not mean a lot
But oh, it's terribly chic
And it was good!
And it was good, sister...

God made us the boss
God gave us the cross
We turned it into a sword
To spread the Word of the Lord
We use His holy decrees
To do whatever we please
And it was good, yeah
And it was good, yeah
And it was goddam good


mnhiker:

You are playing with fire when you mock God. I do not know what gets into you.frown noway




Lindyy,

I'm not mocking God.

I'm mocking those who claim God is on their side and use that to do anything they damn please for their own nefarious purposes.

Because that is the ultimate blasphemy against God.

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Sun 05/04/08 09:48 PM
Edited by mnhiker on Sun 05/04/08 09:57 PM

Amen, Lindyy! The only thing saving America from complete collapse is God's forbearance. You better thank your lucky stars that our nation has the annointment and the favor of God.

Columbine, school shootings, killings, crime. The only reason it doesn't go totally out of control is God's hand on us. If God withdrew his protection from us, there would be total chaos and disaster, mark well my words.

I'm no great fan of MSNBC. I think they're grinding their own axe and distort the news from a liberal agenda and a liberal viewpoint that is not favorable toward God and the message the evangelicals provide.

As for me and my house, we will worship the Lord and vote conservative. It's the way to maintain the liberty that has made this nation great the last 200 years or so.


No one nation has the 'annointment and the favor of God'.

That kind of zealous thinking is what led to the United States sticking it's nose into everyone elses business when it has no right to.

Whenever a nation claims 'divine right', we're all in trouble.

That's what led to the crusades and other atrocities of history.

I'm sure the Taliban thinks it has 'divine right' as well.

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