Dragoness:



People are as individual as they become, according to that which they perceive.

You also made a great point earlier concerning ego...

I think they call that the id.

But it is true that people have to learn to love one another.

I think the indwelling spirit can overcome outside and even genetic influences sometimes, but then I believe that humans are spiritual beings having a human experience and they may have experiential wisdom from a former life working in their favor.

There are many variables. Humans have great potential for good and evil. I don't think they are born with either really, just like animals can't be called good or evil. They are just running on their programming.

JB

I was not saying bad or good, or wrong or right, I was referring to the unwillingness to even attempt to see anothers perceptions. I guess that could still be their individual perception though so I will shut up now..lol

You are right on that one. I believe that there is a mistake on the perception of what religions teach. At least as what I have experienced within christianity. Just to be clear whenever I talk about christianity is my own experience within it.
Even though I'm a catholic, and catholics have been catalogued as the most "evil" within christianity (and with some sort of reason because the Church has committed several mistakes through history) what I have absorbed is that we (humans) are created by God who is good. we come from good. Therefore, it must follow that we are inherently good.
However, then it comes the matter of free will (which is an absolutely different topic) we choose to do wrong.
In my case wrong as far as it's defined by the sacred scripture and what is taught by the Church which is what my Lord Jesuschrist taught.
These wrong actions are basically anything that goes against the dignity of human being, and the Glory of God.
Then again as i said this is as far I (very personally) believe.

TLW

Falling short doesn't mean we're evil, necessarily, it just means we don't measure up. I tend to stray off, you know? That's why kids louse up sometimes, too.

And besides, the existence of Bill Gates is proof that mankind is evil!

Bill Gates is a little ***** cat compared to Henry Kissinger's evilness.

Actually Bill Gates free ride in the computer world is really just proof that IBM and the US goverment are both extremely stupid.

I will agree. If you look at history, back in mans early days before the concept of property, people lived together and shared everything.

I can't believe this club censored my pu$$y cat.
What a bunch of prudes.

JB

"There are trivial truths & there are great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true."

IT IS MY FIRM BELIEF THAT IT IS A MISTAKE
TO HOLD FIRM BELIEFS.

Everything is true - Everything is permissible!

i resonate with so many of your perspectives, i had to chime in
and respectfully add that reality, on the planet shows us that the human species is genetically predisposed, and only now that technology has advanced to the level where we can read the human genome, and understand the chemistry and biology, can we begin to assign what good and evil actually are.
in the beginning there were no reasons, there were only causes. nothing had a purpose, nothing had so much as a function, there was no teleology in the world at all, it's simple,there was nothing that had interests, but after millennias there happened to emerge simple replicators. While 'they' had no idea of their interests, WE peering back from our vantage point at their early days and development , we can non-arbitrarily assign them certain interests, the design of our conscious minds, is the result of 3 successive evolutionary processes, piled on top of each other, each one vastly swifter and more powerful than it's predecessor, and in order to understand this ...well

maybe that's another thread
i do feel safe to say that as soon as one gets into the business of self preservation, boundaries become very important

the only absolute rule of human nature is self-preservation

that man needs to feed on the death of others to sustain his own... makes man inherently evil

place in a situation of starvation there are few things that a person would not do to make sure that they or their children have something to eat

I agree

wow

Then I guess you think that a lion is "evil" for killing and eating a gazelle.

"Evil" is only defined within religious doctrine. "Sin" is only defined within religious doctrine (and sin amounts to disobedience of the law of their God, whoever they conceive him or her to be.)

Animals don't sin because they don't worship God or have religions.

Therefor, if eating the flesh of other creatures is natural, as a lion does, then it is also natural for a man.

It is the way this world works... unfortunately.

Perhaps the Gods are hard at work attempting to create a world where the lion will lie down with the lamb and humans will live off the energy of the sun and the wind.

I think they are.

JB

well I'm pretty sure that gazella would agree with me



evil is not only defined within the religious doctrine it is part of the language of our soceity ..when someone says something is evil doesn't automatically point to religion ..even sin is not strictly religious anymore and is now referred to as being a guilty pleasure



it's that man is placed in the position of having to feed on death to live what's makes him and all life inherently evil



so why is it "unfortunately" ...unless you also consider it as evil



I mean how hard does god has to work ...can't he supposely do that with a thought? and why would god create animals and people to eat each other to live ...couldn't that be considered as being evil

Humans; proof positive that god makes mistakes...