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Your darling George was fibbing. Mind you so was the rest of his administration.

Why does that scare you? Isnt it what you neo-cons want?
Im just saying do it right..

Im saying draft all your sons and do it wrong the right way...

Just bring them home : live and let live is a wise motto .
Wars are human failures to solve any problem according to wisdom
, love and compassion . .

ok, i dont have a problem with people questioning this administration. I think they should. But here is the supposed REAL truth. The Bush administration wasn't acting alone. Democrats and republicans alike are just as guilty as your loathed enemy, Bush. This includes your precious Clintons and even the Rockefellers. It's called control. The government wants more of it. Democrats believe in expanding the government and them taking control of more things. The republicans believe in taking away certain rights that enable you to combat them. (Although democrats are guilty of this too when it comes to gun control) Put them together and you are nearing total control little by little. The war may have been instigated to cause fear. Hell, according to this theory 9/11 was also instigated for the same reasons. To enable this like the patiot act to pass. (Not sure i really believe either one) Then you have the clinton administration that focused on making us more dependent on just a few major food industries. They are also the ones responsible for genetically "enhancing" food production, which is why veggies have way fewer nutients, and why you standard milk can cause breast cancer. Why did they do this you ask? Well, more control. Make people dependent on you for as many things as possible. Food, water, shelter, OIL!, security, etc. (Oh yeah, don't forget the policies that screw up education) Then you can literally control them and get very very rich in the process.

Honestly i don't really believe 9/11 was faked. Niether do i think the Iraq war was false. Although i'm not closed off to the idea because it just makes too much sense sometimes. But just the same. The Clintons are just as guilty of false claims to start conflicts, as well as, making us dependent on a few select industries, as the Bush family. Democrats and republicans are in this together. This is why we need some more people in office, trying to limit the powers of the federal government, as well as shrink it. Give a bit more power back to the states. Get rid of the patriot act and NAFTA, and instead of overtaxing farmers in our country forcing them to sell their land (notice how the land always gets developed), we should give them huge tax breaks. And we really should prevent the destruction of the already invented sources of energy that literally makes gasoline obselete. Oh yeah, and get rid of ethanol since it;s boosting the cost of local food production. So far, none of the 3 candidates really want to change any of this.

People need to place more blame where it belongs instead of attacking a single administration.

Okay, done ranting.... sorry yall.

well fanta, i would have to say, if we stopped taking everyone's personal feelings into consideration then yeah this would have been over with a long time ago. Just like afganistan. Seal off the country. Do an "arms across their nation" searching every nook and cranny, every house. All people get moved to camps previously set up by us. All those that resist get delt with, face to face. Establish the government, then release everyone back into the cities. Stay there until you are sure that the situation is under control. Then pull out. We would have found Bin Laden. And both, the iraqi and afgani conflict would have been over a year or two ago.

This would definately run a lot smoother with grunts in charge huh? So i blame it's being drawn out on the liberals. In fact i actually recieved orders not to retaliate when fired upon from a mosque. How retarded is that? They were afraid of offending the people.

Follow me!!

Sam--you would do Neville Chamberlain proud!!

-Drew

much like bush makes hitler proud

WOW, that's a bit harsh don't ya think. Ya i guess we can make the relation between Bush, who's (supposed) false war has killed a few hundred thousand people (total body count) to Hitler's concentration camps, taking over many countries and killing millions upon millions of people in attempt for world domination. Sure i see where they must be the same entities...

Don't worry about it too much Drivin. When Madison runs out of things to copy and paste he tends to revert to comparing Bush to Hitler--an unoriginal charge meant to get a reaction. Madison, please keep up the good work--you do more good than you could possibly know.

-Drew

Left right left right left right....they're all marching to the same tune...$$$MONEY$$$. It makes no difference who's at the helm, it's business as usual.
Sad thing is that I had respect for Powell and McCain, but it would appear that they're bought and paid for too.
There will be absolutely no change in the status quo if any of the "popular" candidates get into office, from either party.
Vote for Ron Paul, Daffy Duck or anyone else to get the criminals out of the White House.

Ok so the latest estimates show just over a million Iraqis deadand only five million have fled the country. What should be painfully obviouse in the Bush/hitler theme is that both clung to there fantasy's all the way to the bitter end, they clung to there lies and dragged there nation down with them. the greatest comparison is in the propaganda both used to decieve there nations into self destrutive wars. I would have thought even a dimwit could see the transparent lies by now

To kill one innocent life is one too many ! .So what can we say when millions of innocent lives are killed ?. We say : this is craziness in the first degree . We should all work towards a universe of peace ,justice ,fairness and equality for all humans regardless to nationality ,creed ,religion ,colour ,
...etc . The voters have the power to change the events and to elect only those who represent the truth ,human values , peace and honesty . Yes ,the voters have the power and they should use it . It is sad to see bulling and deception as a political tool to achieve some crazy goals !.

Thanks for your take on this issue . It is a sad reality .
!.

i forget what the lates and greatest polls were. A million would be a bit of an egaggeration. Although the Iraqis do targe eachother more often than they do us. I don't see where that makes us directly responsible. That million WAS NOT killed by our bullets bombs, nor malnutrition brought on by us. I think you will find its a spin. The total number of deaths, medical and and conflict related. That i would believe. But no worry. We don't target civilians and soldiers do put their own lives at risk for their safety. If it werent true, why in god's name would we recieve orders not to shoot back at mosques for fear of public opinion? Why would we send ground forces into a building instead of just bombing it? We don't use bombs very often. Too many civilians involved. Also take into consideration the way Saddam and his infamous sons ran things before. The only difference is , more women and children would have been involved. I can give you stories from those that worked for his former red guard. Most of the media stories on what goes on are a joke, a total spin off. Like i said where i saw a pigeon, they try to convince me it was a pig. Then they play it off like i was too stressed out to get a clear picture of what it was. Why are reporters so much more reliable than the soldiers (who are trained to deal with stess mind you). And why is it that the stories of cooks, and engineers are heard more often then the grunts that kick doors in and actually encounter the enemy first hand? Here is another funny thing. Most of these PTSD victims never actually SAW combat... Shocker... Like i said, media is trying to manipulate. It's like vietnam all over again. Like i said, if you take care of your grunts, your grunts will take care of you. They are trained and qualified on for their job. Lets let them do it.

There was no need for this war in the first place . So I guess "Drivinmenutz" is missing the whole point and talking in a real vacuum . I am saying what a waste of lives ,innocent lives ;and the billions and billions and billions of dollars that would be spent for a complete crazy ideology of bulling against those who can not defend themselves . Shame ,shame ,and ....shame ! !.
This war is like having an elephant stepping on a new born baby
where there is no balance of power at all . How can any human being support such an aggression ?. It is just beyond me . I am blood and flesh and I do care about humanity .We need peace ,justice ,fairness ,equality and certainly peace ,peace, peace and not stupid wars !. !.

Iraq did not have anything to do with 9/11, our focus should have never gone there so why did it? It is obvious someone in high places wanted Saddam instead of bin laden. We should have never preemptively struck a sovereign nation not responsible for 9/11. After that nothing gets better. Innocent lives have been lost on both sides. We have now stuck our foot in their civil disputes. We are now stuck in the place of staying their for 100 or more years as McCain wants or get out now and let them sort out their own civil disputes.

Think of it this way. There are two or more sides in Iraq, ****e, sunni and others, one will not bow to the other so we have to either pick a side or let them do it. I say let them pick who will be in power and then deal with them after THEY have resolved it. Just like our civil war, if a third party had came in on us while we were fighting and told us they were going to "help us" and "democricize us". We would not have liked them at all, we may have even set our personal issues down to rid ourselves of them. We must allow them to be what they are going to be.

ok, fair enough. But what im saying is that we should prevent genocide. We aren't steping on any babies so don't worry. And you fail to see the point where we actually gave these people a better quality of life. We just need to get them established and stop screwing around. This would be my point. I have been there, on the ground. I have seen the enemy face to face on more occasions than i can count. And no, we are bullying anyone around in any way shape or form. I can understand the argument that it is costing us money. I may even understand putting people under investigation for starting the war. But there are some people that just don't give credit where credit is due. They think the world is all black and white. Either all good or all bad. This is never the case. Even in this tragety i have seen people get treated better medically than they ever have before. There isn't a tyrant in charge letting his sons rape and murder women anymore. People are allowed to have technology that they weren't before. And you are forgetting that women in that country have more rights now than they ever had before. You should have seen the way they were treated. So pick the arguments. you fail to see that we weren't bullying anybody.

I am not, however, against the idea that the war was manipulated to spread fear to the american people and push us to allow certain laws granting the government more power. I don't believe this, but i don't disbelieve this. The war is just a small issue in this matter. If this were true than as i have said earlier it's possible that 9/11 was the world elite's doing. Not just the U.S. Falls under the FACT that the government is pushing to combine America, Canada, and Mexico. They plan on doing it soon. They want to go paperless with money. Make us dependent for them for food, protection, etc. They are trying to weed out the middle class in an attempt to get rid of the educated individuals that still have to work to earn a living. This makes the population easier to manipulate. Everyone is caught on the smaller issues. Sit back and look at the whole picture.

Also, furthermore, i see your point. Lives do seem to get wasted. Just don't call us bullies. It's like us beating up the bully trying to take a kids lunch money. And us being called the bullies. But uh oh!.... The kid didn't ASK for help... Pick your arguments.