Topic: "Jesus" Fact or Fiction
jonny63's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:12 PM

there are thousands of accounts, poems, writing about Jesus, that is proof enough for me, I never meet Hitler but I heard he killed 6 million jews, why do I accept that because of the writings and account people wrote. Same for todays news and in the past. Except in the past it was all done by the eyes of many people.


You can either accept what people tell you or you dont. You dont believe in Jesus that is your choice, but he existed we know that much.

drinker codelockboxdrinker

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Tue 04/22/08 12:13 PM

Wow your realy inteligent duuuhhh Im glad your sharing to the world how smart you are!!!huh

laugh :tongue: laughHe strarted some lame Jesus jokes yesterday in the GD forum.frown

HasidicEnforcer's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:16 PM

So you need physical stuff to believe that something once existed. I mean there are plenty of land marks where he was, and so many writings you can accept that. There is no body of Adolf Hitler, so I guess he never existed either by your theory.



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Thank you, Code.

There's no proof of the existance of many people and things, but many still believe they existed.

It's called the people's choice of faith. I could worship my neighbor's dog and think he is G-d, does that make me right?

No. But it doesn't make me wrong either.

I reirrerate.

No one is wrong, no one is right.

This is coming from a woman, born Lutheran, raised Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodoxy, Converted to Christianity, Rejoiced in Baptist, Found Judaism, Will die still believing in G-d.

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Tue 04/22/08 12:16 PM
Jesus Christ did not exist. If he did there is no acceptable evidence for it. And if there is acceptable evidence then it is too flimsy to justify taking Jesus seriously as a god or wizard. The nearest we get to evidence for Jesus having lived is the anonymously authored and partisan four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John for everything else is far more, or could be, hearsay than what they are.



If Jesus had really been a new messenger from God, had he really been the Son of God, some writings of his would have been left behind. He left nothing at all. There are no writings attributed to Jesus. There are no archaeological artefacts. It is impossible to believe that God would have done nothing to make sure that some direct evidence to Jesus existed. All we have is hearsay. Hearsay isn’t always wrong but it is not very convincing. God didn’t ensure that any direct evidence for Jesus survived therefore God doesn’t care if we doubt or even disbelieve the existence of Jesus.

codelockbox's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:16 PM

there are thousands of poems about santa clause butwhy dont you beleave in him!


Saint Nicholas of Myra is the primary inspiration for the Christian figure of Santa Claus. He was a 4th-century Greek Christian bishop of Myra in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes.

He did exist:wink:

docburneraz's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:17 PM
Its cool to worship your neighbors dog. Just doint boink it. Thats just wrong

HasidicEnforcer's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:17 PM
Has anyone found the body of Jimmy Hoffa?

Or did he never exist either?

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Tue 04/22/08 12:18 PM
What is even more incredible and impossible to explain is this. Why did everybody forge writings and traditions in the name of the apostles and some other New Testament characters, but not Jesus himself? Even Gnostics never attributed any of their books to Jesus but to his apostles or some other disciple of Jesus. And Gnostics often believed that Jesus was a vision seeming to be a man not a man and sought direct revelation from him. Yet they came up with no book claiming to be the direct word of Jesus or even to be something that Jesus had written. If Gnostic and orthodox Christians believed in Jesus as someone who had been on earth, they certainly did not believe that there was any sensible reason for thinking he had been. They had their reasons yes. But these reasons had nothing to do with the kind of evidence a detective or historian or archaeologist would consider.

docburneraz's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:20 PM
Uh youre obsessing about the man. What about the MESSAGE? ??

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Tue 04/22/08 12:20 PM
my little sweetie the us goverment has dental records and so much more that jimmy hoffa was real even video

HasidicEnforcer's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:21 PM

Uh youre obsessing about the man. What about the MESSAGE? ??


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Thank you Doc.

His message, regardless if you think he existed or not, inspired many and still inspires to this day.


docburneraz's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:21 PM
well no sheit there Sherlock

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Tue 04/22/08 12:21 PM
The first Christian writer we have, Paul the apostle who Christians believe was converted not long after Jesus rose from the dead, completely ignored the life of Jesus. Christians say he did this because he had no need for the life story but he focused on morality and defending the faith so much that he would have had to use it. He just had to do without it for there was nothing he could use. When he had nothing, the same must have been true of the apostles of Christ whom he knew. It is only nonsense that Paul was so wrapped up in the vision he had of Jesus that converted him that he wasn’t able to think about the life of Jesus for Paul never gives any indication that the vision had that large of a grip on him. He was more wrapped up in the crucifixion than any vision. When he was so interested in that event which happened before Jesus appeared he was interested in Jesus’ life. That he hadn’t more to be interested in indicates that he just had the bare facts about Jesus as stated to him in a vision of Jesus.

docburneraz's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:22 PM
anytime youblushing

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Tue 04/22/08 12:24 PM

Jesus Christ did not exist. If he did there is no acceptable evidence for it. And if there is acceptable evidence then it is too flimsy to justify taking Jesus seriously as a god or wizard. The nearest we get to evidence for Jesus having lived is the anonymously authored and partisan four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John for everything else is far more, or could be, hearsay than what they are.



If Jesus had really been a new messenger from God, had he really been the Son of God, some writings of his would have been left behind. He left nothing at all. There are no writings attributed to Jesus. There are no archaeological artefacts. It is impossible to believe that God would have done nothing to make sure that some direct evidence to Jesus existed. All we have is hearsay. Hearsay isn’t always wrong but it is not very convincing. God didn’t ensure that any direct evidence for Jesus survived therefore God doesn’t care if we doubt or even disbelieve the existence of Jesus.




In 2000 years from now will you have existed? That is the question, in our world and our growth rate, if you have no kids, or if your family name does not live on will you have existed? I mean 2000 years from now think about it? What proof of there 2000 years from now will hold ground that you existed at all? The only way you will be remembers 2000 years from now is IF and this is a big IF you do something that is world changing, or change human kind in a way to be remembered.

Now for a human to do that, he would have to exist right? Plato, Jesus, other people with in our past.

Think about the millions and million of people who have died, come and gone, and nothing. There are children, old people, young people who have come and gone never to have there name spoken to me, I cant say they didnt exist. I cant take there right to existence away because I have no heard of them.

What about all the people that vanish every year never to be found.

Your really silly to think there was no Jesus my friend.

docburneraz's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:26 PM
JH CHRIST. WTF. Who cares about the man. THE MESSAGE Geez

HasidicEnforcer's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:26 PM

my little sweetie the us goverment has dental records and so much more that jimmy hoffa was real even video


Are you sure the US government isn't just lying to you?

Or do you believe so strongly in them that you will believe all that comes out of their mouths?

What really did happen on the grassy knoll?

There are so many questions, my dear, that no one can answer.

Watch Discovery Channel once in a while. They are finding more and more proof that Jesus did exist. That Mary Magdelene was real.

Shoot.

Pick up a book or two.

No.

Just pick up a Bible.

Now read it. Carefully. Notice the dates on all the stories?

Tell me, how can one man not exist when these stories were written by multitudes of people and they all tell of the same man? And they are all years apart?

It was predicted in the Torah He would come. It was proven in the Bible He came.

Only time will tell when He will come again.

docburneraz's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:26 PM
Damn people are thick

HasidicEnforcer's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:28 PM

Damn people are thick


No, not all people are thick.

Some just want to strike up a fight here cause they are bored senseless.

I have to go back to being a good human now and finish making food for people who need it more.

Doc, I should show you the last project I did....

docburneraz's photo
Tue 04/22/08 12:28 PM
What did Jesus try to TEACH our thick asses